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FessJL0861
08-15-2010, 03:42 PM
CINCINNATI -- Terrell Owens put some bite back into the Bengals' offense.

Owens caught a 43-yard pass along the sideline, setting up the only touchdown by Cincinnati's starting offense Friday night in a 22-9 preseason victory over the Philadelphia Eagles that showed he's still got a lot left.

"According to sources and anybody that analyzes talent or what-have-you: I'm 36, I've slowed down, I don't have it anymore," Owens said. "I'm a different person. I'm very talented, I keep myself in shape. So everybody can think I've slowed down. If they want to play me like that, that's fine."

The Eagles couldn't keep up with him.

Owens caught a perfect throw from Carson Palmer along the right sideline, stretching over Joselio Hanson to pull it in before going out of bounds at the 6-yard line. Bernard Scott ran it in on the next play.

Owens had three catches for 67 yards in the first half, and ran 1 yard on a reverse.

"He's as good as anyone when he gets on top of a corner," Palmer said. "We're going to take shots when we get opportunities."

So far, he's been the Bengals' top receiver.

Cincinnati signed him to a one-year deal as training camp opened with receiver Antonio Bryant sidelined by a troublesome left knee. Palmer worked out with Owens on the West Coast in July, saw that he could still run and urged the Bengals to bring him aboard, giving him another playmaker.

That one play showed why.

"That's what they brought me here for, right? Deep threat," Owens said. "Beat your guy, get down the field, make the catch. We've got it all in our arsenal."

His over-the-shoulder catch set up the only touchdown while both teams had their starters in the game. Cincinnati got the better of it in the half, but had to settle for the one score.

"We gave up a couple big runs, more than we wanted to, then they had the big play to T.O.," safety Quintin Mikell said. "We just wanted to see what we could do when we made bad plays, how we would bounce back. We're still gelling and still bringing this whole thing together."

Philadelphia's main goal was to get a touchdown out of its starters. In the preseason opener against Jacksonville, quarterback Kevin Kolb led the Eagles down the field on two possessions, but they had to settle for field goals.

Same thing again in Cincinnati. Six possessions, two field goals.

The Eagles kept their starting offense on the field for the entire first half and got less-than-desired results. Kolb was 11 of 17 for 126 yards, most of them in two drives at the end of the half when the Bengals began substituting. The most glaring disappointment: Philadelphia failed to score against a defense full of reserves after driving to a first-and-goal at the 7-yard line.

"We've got to be better than that," Eagles coach Andy Reid said. "You can't have the penalties in the red zone that we did."

Kolb was disappointed at the lack of a touchdown.

"It's the same story," he said. "We need to do better."

David Akers kicked field goals of 40, 25 and 48 yards. Cincinnati's Mike Nugent was short on a 59-yard attempt at the end of the first half, and Dave Rayner missed a 34-yarder. They're competing for the starting job.

Palmer was 15 of 23 for 169 yards with two interceptions, both while trying to get the ball to Chad Ochocinco, who had a painful night.

The first interception came on an apparent mixup. Palmer threw several yards short of Ochocinco, the ball going directly to cornerback Dimitri Patterson. Palmer raised both arms in a quizzical gesture toward Ochocinco, and talked to him on the sideline.

Patterson celebrated his easy interception by kneeling on the field and raising both arms, holding the ball aloft for several seconds. Bengals rookie tight end Jermaine Gresham swatted the ball out of his hand as he walked past him.

Palmer got picked off when he tried to squeeze a pass to Ochocinco, who was bracketed in coverage. The receiver was hit hard and the ball deflected to Mikell. Ochocinco lay on his back for several seconds, then popped up and jogged to the sideline without assistance.

The Eagles played without cornerback Asante Samuel, who has a hamstring injury. Receiver Jeremy Maclin left in the second quarter after he was hit hard on the left shoulder. Reid said X-rays were negative.

The Bengals had a couple of injuries. Scott injured his left shoulder in the second quarter and didn't return. Safety Gibril Wilson hurt his left knee in the second quarter and didn't return. Agent Alvin Keels tweeted that he had damaged ligaments.


Scoring Summary
SECOND QUARTER PHI CIN
TD 08:44 Bernard Scott 6 Yd Run (Mike Nugent Kick) 0 7
FG 05:49 David Akers 40 Yd 3 7
FG 00:43 David Akers 25 Yd 6 7
THIRD QUARTER PHI CIN
FG 00:02 David Akers 48 Yd 9 7
FOURTH QUARTER PHI CIN
TD 11:41 Cedric Peerman 22 Yd Run (Cedric Peerman Run For Two-Point Conversion) 9 15
TD 03:14 Cedric Peerman 1 Yd Run (Mike Nugent Kick) 9 22
Team Stat Comparison
Total Plays 60 68
Total Yards 270 345
Passing 145 239
Comp-Att
16-34 22-35
Yards per pass
4.3 6.8
Rushing 125 106
Rushing Attempts
23 32
Yards per rush
5.4 3.3
Red Zone (Made-Att) 0-1 2-3
Penalties 6-42 10-75
Turnovers 5 3
Fumbles lost
1 0
Interceptions thrown
4 3
Defensive / Special Teams TDs 0 0
Possession 25:17 34:43
Philadelphia Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT RATING
K. Kolb 11/17 126 7.4 0 0 86.9
M. Kafka 4/12 29 2.4 0 2 2.8
M. Vick 1/5 6 1.2 0 2 0.0
Team 16/34 145 4.3 0 4
Cincinnati Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT RATING
C. Palmer 15/23 169 7.3 0 2 50.8
J. O'Sullivan 6/9 66 7.3 0 1 48.6
J. Palmer 1/3 8 2.7 0 0 42.4
Team 22/35 239 6.8 0 3
Philadelphia Rushing
CAR YDS AVG TD LG
M. Vick 3 34 11.3 0 13
M. Kafka 1 24 24.0 0 24
L. McCoy 6 20 3.3 0 17
E. Buckley 4 19 4.8 0 14
M. Mallett 5 18 3.6 0 9
L. Weaver 3 8 2.7 0 3
C. Scott 1 2 2.0 0 2
Team 23 125 5.4 0 24
Cincinnati Rushing
CAR YDS AVG TD LG
C. Peerman 12 47 3.9 2 22
C. Benson 10 30 3.0 0 11
J. Johnson 5 17 3.4 0 8
B. Scott 2 13 6.5 1 7
T. Owens 1 1 1.0 0 1
J. Palmer 2 -2 -1.0 0 0
Team 32 106 3.3 3 22
Philadelphia Receiving
REC YDS AVG TD LG TGTS
D. Jackson 4 74 18.5 0 28 7
R. Cooper 2 22 11.0 0 16 4
J. Maclin 3 16 5.3 0 8 3
B. Celek 1 14 14.0 0 14 2
C. Hall 2 9 4.5 0 5 3
L. McCoy 1 9 9.0 0 9 1
L. Weaver 1 8 8.0 0 8 2
J. Avant 1 5 5.0 0 5 2
J. Norwood 1 4 4.0 0 4 2
D. Collins 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
H. Baskett 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
E. Buckley 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
M. Mallett 0 0 0.0 0 0 3
N. Lawrie 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
Team 16 161 10.1 0 28 33
Cincinnati Receiving
REC YDS AVG TD LG TGTS
T. Owens 3 67 22.3 0 43 4
J. Gresham 3 34 11.3 0 17 4
C. Benson 5 29 5.8 0 13 6
C. Ochocinco 2 29 14.5 0 16 6
J. Simpson 1 22 22.0 0 22 1
A. Caldwell 2 16 8.0 0 13 3
J. Tronzo 1 12 12.0 0 12 1
Q. Cosby 1 9 9.0 0 9 2
D. Hill 1 8 8.0 0 8 2
D. Coats 1 7 7.0 0 7 1
J. Shipley 1 7 7.0 0 7 2
J. Johnson 1 3 3.0 0 3 2
C. Peerman 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
Team 22 243 11.0 0 43 35
Philadelphia Fumbles
FUM LOST REC
J. Maclin 2 1 0
Team 2 1 0
Cincinnati Fumbles
FUM LOST REC
J. Simpson 1 0 0
A. Jones 1 0 0
J. Fanene 0 0 1
Team 2 0 1
Philadelphia Interceptions
INT YDS TD
Q. Mikell 1 15 0
D. Patterson 1 15 0
K. Clayton 1 6 0
Team 3 36 0
Cincinnati Interceptions
INT YDS TD
M. Trent 3 21 0
K. Hebert 1 2 0
Team 4 23 0
Philadelphia Defensive
TACKLES MISC
TOT SOLO SACKS TFL PD QB HTS TD
J. Hanson 6 5 0 1 1 0 0
Q. Mikell 5 5 0 0 1 0 0
T. Lindley 5 3 0 0 0 0 0
E. Hobbs 4 3 0 0 0 0 0
D. Patterson 4 3 0 0 1 0 0
S. Bradley 4 2 0 0 0 0 0
B. Graham 3 3 1 2 0 1 0
T. Cole 3 3 0 0 0 1 0
A. Jordan 3 2 0 0 0 0 0
A. Scirrotto 3 2 0 0 0 0 0
Q. Demps 3 2 0 0 0 0 0
G. Pope 3 2 0 1 1 0 0
T. White 3 2 0 0 0 0 0
D. Te'o-Nesheim 3 1 0 0 0 0 0
K. Clayton 2 2 0 0 1 0 0
J. Chaney 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
R. Cooper 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
K. Coleman 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
C. Hall 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
J. Norwood 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
N. Allen 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
J. Peters 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
B. Robinson 1 1 0 0 0 1 0
T. Laws 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
M. Patterson 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
D. Tapp 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
J. Parker 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
J. Dorenbos 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
R. Hamilton 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
R. Sapp 1 0 0 0 0 1 0
B. Bunkley 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
E. Buckley 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Team 74 56 1 4 5 4 0
Cincinnati Defensive
TACKLES MISC
TOT SOLO SACKS TFL PD QB HTS TD
B. Johnson 6 2 1 1 0 0 0
C. Dunlap 4 3 1 1 0 1 0
G. Atkins 4 2 1 2 1 2 0
M. Johnson 4 2 0 0 1 0 0
R. Maualuga 3 2 0 0 0 1 0
K. Rivers 3 1 0 0 0 0 0
V. Rey 3 1 0 0 0 0 0
A. Jones 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
D. Hill 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
D. Jones 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
R. Murray 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
F. Rucker 2 2 0 0 0 1 0
J. Joseph 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
L. Hall 2 2 0 0 0 0 0
J. Johnson 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
M. Trent 2 1 0 0 3 0 0
C. Ndukwe 2 1 0 0 0 1 0
K. Hebert 1 1 0 0 1 0 0
T. Johnson 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
D. Jones 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
D. Peko 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
T. Owens 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
C. Benson 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
J. Miles 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
R. Williams 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
C. Coffman 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
J. Sears 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
M. Windt 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
C. McDonald 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Q. Cosby 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
C. Harris 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Team 61 39 3 4 6 6 0
Philadelphia Kick Returns
NO YDS AVG LG TD
Q. Demps 2 43 21.5 22 0
A. Shipley 1 14 14.0 14 0
C. Hall 1 11 11.0 11 0
Team 4 68 17.0 22 0
Cincinnati Kick Returns
NO YDS AVG LG TD
A. Jones 2 57 28.5 40 0
Q. Cosby 1 41 41.0 41 0
B. Scott 1 22 22.0 22 0
Team 4 120 30.0 41 0
Philadelphia Punt Returns
NO YDS AVG LG TD
C. Hall 3 6 2.0 5 0
Team 3 6 2.0 5 0
Cincinnati Punt Returns
NO YDS AVG LG TD
A. Jones 2 27 13.5 22 0
Q. Cosby 2 7 3.5 7 0
Team 4 34 8.5 22 0
Philadelphia Kicking
FG PCT LONG XP PTS
D. Akers 3/3 100.0 48 0/0 9
Team 3/3 100.0 48 0/0 9
Cincinnati Kicking
FG PCT LONG XP PTS
M. Nugent 0/1 0.0 -- 2/2 2
D. Rayner 0/1 0.0 -- 0/0 0
Team 0/2 0.0 -- 2/2 2
Philadelphia Punting
TOT YDS AVG TB -20 LG
S. Rocca 6 271 45.2 1 1 60
Team 6 271 45.2 1 1 60
Cincinnati Punting
TOT YDS AVG TB -20 LG
K. Huber 6 257 42.8 1 2 50
Team 6 257 42.8 1 2 50

All stats and stories taken from ESPN.com and the AP. They are not original works of this user.

Andy Freeland
08-18-2010, 09:26 AM
This is the one game where we probably should have had 'tie' as one of the poll options.

FessJL0861
08-18-2010, 11:38 PM
You know what? Now that you say that, I am kicking myself. Would have been pretty funny. I wish I could change the poll.

Colts01
08-18-2010, 11:41 PM
what? you can Tie in the NFL.....rotf..:woot:

StarvinMarvin
08-18-2010, 11:46 PM
what? you can Tie in the NFL.....rotf..:woot:

Only if you have a certain unnamed quarterback (Donovan McNabb) who didn't know ties were in the rulebook. :confused:

Andy Freeland
08-18-2010, 11:50 PM
You know what? Now that you say that, I am kicking myself. Would have been pretty funny. I wish I could change the poll.

I went ahead and added the tie option, but you should be able to edit your own poll.

msclemons
08-18-2010, 11:54 PM
Dangit, Marvin beat me to it. I think the Bengals D does horrible things to Kolb while shutting down the anemic running game. Ocho and TO will vote the Eagles' DBs off the island and Benson will control the clock.

Bengals 17 - Eagles 13

BuckeyeRidley
08-19-2010, 12:11 AM
LOL!! Yeah, that one tie where D-Mac made headlines about the outcome was the Eagles in Cincy! LOL! I hope there's no preseaon tie! I go with the Eagles because they are the type of team that are going to show what they go with all players and all strings to show Andy Reid what they have. I like the Bengals to succeed but in the preseason I am being more flexible. Eagles 24-Bengals 13. Nothing personal FPL Management and Co.! LOL!!

FessJL0861
08-19-2010, 10:28 AM
Dangit, Marvin beat me to it. I think the Bengals D does horrible things to Kolb while shutting down the anemic running game. Ocho and TO will vote the Eagles' DBs off the island and Benson will control the clock.

Bengals 17 - Eagles 13

And they will do that for approximately 3 series, than, who knows...

FessJL0861
08-19-2010, 10:29 AM
I went ahead and added the tie option, but you should be able to edit your own poll.

Still.....Can't.....Change......Polls......

Andy Freeland
08-19-2010, 10:52 AM
Still.....Can't.....Change......Polls......

I just remembered that you created the pre2 threads, but I made the polls.

Colts01
08-20-2010, 08:04 PM
be interesting,first good look at Kolb as "the Man"

TheRealJosh
08-20-2010, 08:46 PM
If Palmer was accurate this O would be as good as NE.

FessJL0861
08-20-2010, 09:19 PM
If Palmer was accurate this O would be as good as NE.

I still wonder what we would be saying about him if he hadn't gotten Kimo Von Olehoffen'd.

Bengals1181
08-20-2010, 09:20 PM
If Palmer was accurate this O would be as good as NE.


He's accurate, its more an issue of the oline giving him time and him trusting them. Oddly, he's more accurate on deeper throws than he is on short. Which makes the oline protection even more important.

Bengals1181
08-20-2010, 10:51 PM
Bengals defense is DEEP.

Andy Freeland
08-20-2010, 11:08 PM
Eagles have to be very concerned about the inability of the first string to score TDs. Kolb's led a lot of drives that end in FGs in both games.

brianr
08-20-2010, 11:16 PM
A followup question to that comment Andy: Do teams tend to play more vanilla offense in the Red Zone during preseason than they would in the regular season? I only ask because it doesn't seem like the Eagles have even tried some of the things they normally like to near the goal line. No Play Action roll-outs to the tight end in the corner, no bubble screens, no shovel passes, no QB draw...It seems like they're lining up and trying to score with vanilla offense. And while obviously they'd like to see that vanilla offense get 6, it might not be indicative of their potential success during the season.

(At least this is what I'm trying to convince myself of as an Eagles fan!)

BubbaLove
08-20-2010, 11:28 PM
A followup question to that comment Andy: Do teams tend to play more vanilla offense in the Red Zone during preseason than they would in the regular season? I only ask because it doesn't seem like the Eagles have even tried some of the things they normally like to near the goal line. No Play Action roll-outs to the tight end in the corner, no bubble screens, no shovel passes, no QB draw...It seems like they're lining up and trying to score with vanilla offense. And while obviously they'd like to see that vanilla offense get 6, it might not be indicative of their potential success during the season.

(At least this is what I'm trying to convince myself of as an Eagles fan!)

Pretty much all teams play vanilla O and D in the preseason. Noone likes to show much for that week one game.

Turk Schonert
08-20-2010, 11:59 PM
A followup question to that comment Andy: Do teams tend to play more vanilla offense in the Red Zone during preseason than they would in the regular season? I only ask because it doesn't seem like the Eagles have even tried some of the things they normally like to near the goal line. No Play Action roll-outs to the tight end in the corner, no bubble screens, no shovel passes, no QB draw...It seems like they're lining up and trying to score with vanilla offense. And while obviously they'd like to see that vanilla offense get 6, it might not be indicative of their potential success during the season.

(At least this is what I'm trying to convince myself of as an Eagles fan!)

The answer is yes. A lot of teams will work on running the ball in the red zone during preseason. If you want to be a good red zone team, you have to be able to run the ball in for TD's.

msclemons
08-21-2010, 12:39 AM
I was really mystified by the Bengals red zone D. Why do teams run 3 man pass rush in the red zone? The windows are already tight, press the QB!

FessJL0861
08-21-2010, 09:35 AM
Couldn't get it posted last night, but the post-game is up.

Andy Freeland
08-21-2010, 09:47 AM
A followup question to that comment Andy: Do teams tend to play more vanilla offense in the Red Zone during preseason than they would in the regular season? I only ask because it doesn't seem like the Eagles have even tried some of the things they normally like to near the goal line. No Play Action roll-outs to the tight end in the corner, no bubble screens, no shovel passes, no QB draw...It seems like they're lining up and trying to score with vanilla offense. And while obviously they'd like to see that vanilla offense get 6, it might not be indicative of their potential success during the season.

(At least this is what I'm trying to convince myself of as an Eagles fan!)

Absolutely. teams play more vanilla everything in the preseason, so it's certainly not time to panic. But short yardage and redzone have been problems for the Eagles for a while. Of course if Celek hadn't dropped that TD last week this wouldn't be an issue.

Colts01
08-22-2010, 12:24 AM
that combo of chad/T.O/shipley/Gresham is going to be tough to deal with if Benson keeps up his production

Bengals1181
08-22-2010, 11:10 PM
I was really mystified by the Bengals red zone D. Why do teams run 3 man pass rush in the red zone? The windows are already tight, press the QB!

hmmm didn't notice it much, but I do think it has a purpose. That close to the endzone, the ball is going to come out of the QB's hands quicker due to shorter routes. Why not put an extra guy in coverage if you're not likely to get to the QB quick enough anyway? At that point you're more likely to force a bad pass due to coverage than pressure.


They also may have just been working on something. Most teams, especially the Bengals, don't gameplan for the team they are facing in the preseason. They come in with specific goals and execute them regardless of what the other team is doing.

msclemons
08-23-2010, 01:50 AM
hmmm didn't notice it much, but I do think it has a purpose. That close to the endzone, the ball is going to come out of the QB's hands quicker due to shorter routes. Why not put an extra guy in coverage if you're not likely to get to the QB quick enough anyway? At that point you're more likely to force a bad pass due to coverage than pressure.

That's a point I hadn't thought of. I generally equate 3 man rush with prevent defenses, as in the "prevent us from winning" defense. But you're right about the ball coming out faster in the red zone.

3 man rush is just a pet peeve of mine. I believe in pressure. I can't remember which coach said it but "the quarterback must go down and go down hard".

Andy Freeland
08-23-2010, 08:36 AM
That's a point I hadn't thought of. I generally equate 3 man rush with prevent defenses, as in the "prevent us from winning" defense. But you're right about the ball coming out faster in the red zone.

3 man rush is just a pet peeve of mine. I believe in pressure. I can't remember which coach said it but "the quarterback must go down and go down hard".

Well the Bengals didn't give up a TD, so you might want to re-evaluate.