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Bengals1181
02-29-2012, 04:40 PM
RULES

1. Trades are allowed, but must be realistic (ie a trade you could see the team making in real life).
2. You will have 24 hours following the previous pick to make your pick.
3. Please PM the person up after you.
4. If a poster fails to make a pick within 24 hours, the pick will be made by a group vote. First 5 posters to respond, majority rules. A poster may still make their selection if its made before the 5th vote.
5. If a team remains with no GM, pick will be made by a group vote. First 5 posters to respond, majority rules.

1. Colts - Andrew Luck, QB Stanford - Bengals1181
2. Rams - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor -tubbs1518
3. Vikings - Matt Kalil, OT USC - Vancemeek
4. Browns - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU - Docta
5. Buccaneers - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
6. Redskins - David DeCastro, G Stanford - KabaModernFan
7. Jaguars - Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia - BuckeyeRidley
8. Panthers - Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama -tubbs1518
9. Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M - Docta
10. Bills - Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
11. Chiefs -tubbs1518 traded to the Rams along with a 2012 2nd (#44), 2013 2nd and Dwayne Bowe for RGIII
* * * * * * * * * 11. Rams - Trent Richardson, RB Alabama - tubbs1518
12. Seahawks Luke Kuechly, LB Boston College - KabaModernFan
13. Cardinals - *Riley Reiff, OT Iowa - Vancemeek
14. Cowboys - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama - mikesteelnation1
15. Eagles - Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis - Vancemeek
* * * * * * * * * * * * *Philly trades the rights to Poe to Pittsburgh for picks #24 and #87
16. Jets - packa7x
* * * *Traded to Chicago for picks #19, #80, and #111, along with a Jets 4th (#108) and 5th rounder (#146)
Bears - Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame - Trumpetbdw
17. Bengals - Stephon Gilmore, CB South Carolina - Bengals1181
18. Chargers - Jonathan Martin, OT Stanford - darvon
19. Bears - Trumpetbdw
* *Traded to the Jets along with picks #80 and #111. *Bears also receive #108 and #146 from Jets
* *Jets - Melvin Ingram, OLB South Carolina
20. Titans - Whitney Mercilus, DE Illinois - Polishguy00
21. Bengals - Courtney Upshaw, DE Alabama - Bengals1181
22. Browns - Kendall Wright, WR Baylor - Docta
23. Lions - Josh Robinson, CB Central Florida - GoBigOrGoHome
24. Steelers - Trumpetbdw - Traded to Philadelphia - vancemeek
Eagles - Dont'a Hightower, MLB Alabama
25. Broncos - Michael Brockers, DT LSU *- GoBigOrGoHome
26. Texans - Fletcher Cox, DT Mississippi State - BuckeyeRidley
27. Patriots - Stephen Hill, WR Georgia Tech - *Polishguy00
28. Packers - Mark Barron, S Alabama
29. Ravens - Peter Konz, C Wisconsin - KabaModernFan
30. 49ers - Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin - packa7x
31. Patriots - Andre Branch DE, Clemson - Polishguy00
32. Giants - Zach Brown, LB North Carolina - tubbs1518

Trades
Picks voted on



33. St. Louis - Mike Adams, OT OSU -tubbs1518
34. Indianapolis - Alameda Ta'amu, NT Washington - Bengals1181
35. Minnesota - Alfonzo Dennard, CB Nebraska - Vancemeek
36. Tampa Bay - Lamar Miller RB Miami
37. Cleveland - Brandon Weeden, QB Oklahoma State - Docta
38. Jacksonville - BuckeyeRidley
39. Washington- KabaModernFan
40. Carolina-tubbs1518
41. Buffalo - ScottDCP
42. Miami- Docta
43. Seattle- KabaModernFan
44. St. Louis (via Kansas City in mock)-tubbs1518
45. Dallas- mikesteelnation1
46. Philadelphia - Vancemeek
47. NY Jets - packa7x
48. New England (via Oakland in reality)- Polishguy00
49. San Diego- darvon
50. Chicago- Trumpetbdw
51. Philadelphia (via Arizona in reality) - Vancemeek
52. Tennessee- Polishguy00
53. Cincinnati- Bengals1181
54. Detroit - GoBigOrGoHome
55. Atlanta- KabaModernFan
56. Pittsburgh- Trumpetbdw
57. Denver - GoBigOrGoHome
58. Houston- BuckeyeRidley
59. New Orleans- mikesteelnation1
60. Green Bay
61. Baltimore- KabaModernFan
62. San Francisco - packa7x
63. New England- Polishguy00
64. NY Giants-tubbs1518


Raiders (no 2nd round picks) - darvon

Bengals1181
02-29-2012, 04:42 PM
While this GM would be open to trading the #1 pick for a kings ransom to completely retool the Colts, in the interests of keeping the mock as realistic as possible, the Indianapolis Colts select:

Andrew Luck, QB Stanford

Bengals1181
03-01-2012, 01:52 PM
any day now tubbs.

tubbs1518
03-01-2012, 03:00 PM
any day now tubbs.

I am trying to work out a trade and these things take time since the other person isn't always online for me to get a response.

Bengals1181
03-01-2012, 03:20 PM
I am trying to work out a trade and these things take time since the other person isn't always online for me to get a response.

you've had like 2 weeks to talk trades.

vancemeek
03-01-2012, 03:30 PM
My pick is in the envelope and ready.

tubbs1518
03-01-2012, 03:41 PM
Well since I can't get a response, the St. Louis Rams select Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor.

Bengals1181
03-01-2012, 03:45 PM
that's certainly going to shake up the draft.

To spice things up, tubbs remember that you can seek a trade for Sam Bradford.

vancemeek
03-01-2012, 03:54 PM
The Minnesota Vikings select T Matt Kalil.

Bengals1181
03-01-2012, 04:03 PM
The Minnesota Vikings select T Matt Kalil.

shocked he isn't a ram at this point.

Docta
03-01-2012, 04:55 PM
With the 4th pick in the NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU.

vancemeek
03-01-2012, 05:43 PM
The Bucs are on the clock and there isn't an owner for them. Any thoughts?

Bengals1181
03-01-2012, 06:03 PM
The Bucs are on the clock and there isn't an owner for them. Any thoughts?

group vote, 5 votes, majority rule.

tubbs1518
03-01-2012, 06:10 PM
Bradford and RGIII are up for trade. Any one interested PM me.

KabaModernFan
03-01-2012, 06:16 PM
I vote for Trent Richardson - RB - Alabama for the Buccaneers.

GoBigOrGoHome
03-01-2012, 06:34 PM
I vote for Trent Richardson - RB - Alabama for the Buccaneers.

Second that.

Bengals1181
03-01-2012, 06:38 PM
you're not the first to say it, but I just don't see Richardson being any kind of need for the Bucs with a young blount on the team. Claiborne off the board complicates things though. Ideally they'd probably trade down at this point.

vancemeek
03-01-2012, 06:57 PM
I'll vote Blackmon.

KabaModernFan
03-01-2012, 07:22 PM
you're not the first to say it, but I just don't see Richardson being any kind of need for the Bucs with a young blount on the team. Claiborne off the board complicates things though. Ideally they'd probably trade down at this point.

I agree with your assessment of what they'd probably do, but I honestly just don't think Blount is all that good.

Bengals1181
03-01-2012, 07:41 PM
this really is a toughy. They don't necessarily need blackmon, coples, or richardson. Kirkpatrick and jenkins are who they really need, but both are reaches at this point. Any other olinemen is a reach too.

vancemeek
03-01-2012, 07:48 PM
Where is Sander?

Docta
03-01-2012, 08:20 PM
I'll vote Blackmon.
Seconded. Freeman needs more help. Blount and Graham aren't terrible, so you could wait a few rounds for them to pick a RB.

mikesteelnation1
03-01-2012, 09:22 PM
I say coples here. #5 is too high for a wr or a rb unless they are truly special. Blackmon is no megatron, and Richardson is no Adrian Peterson...

Trumpetbdw
03-01-2012, 10:40 PM
Blackmon may not be Megatron, but he's the best available in this spot. Claiborne being gone is probably a worst case for Tampa, so if he goes, perhaps they trade this pick (St. Louis trading back up 1 spot from 6 to take Blackmon?), but as is, Blackmon is their pick.

Bengals1181
03-01-2012, 10:46 PM
by majority vote, the Bucs select:

Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State

KabaModernFan
03-02-2012, 03:54 PM
In that case the Redskins are listening to offers for the #6 pick.

KabaModernFan
03-02-2012, 06:01 PM
The Washington Redskins select David DeCastro - G - Stanford

wxwax
03-02-2012, 06:11 PM
You are so fired.

Bengals1181
03-02-2012, 06:19 PM
alrighty then.

KabaModernFan
03-02-2012, 06:50 PM
You are so fired.

It's not worth taking Coples, Richardson, or Kirkpatrick so I went with the only other surefire top ten talent available. I considered Kuechly, but I think DeCastro is just better and is more of a need.

BuckeyeRidley
03-02-2012, 07:25 PM
*Turns head away from mic & says "Thanks Kaba."*

With the 7th Overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select:

Cordy Glenn. Offensive Guard. Georgia.

Bengals1181
03-02-2012, 07:32 PM
this is going to be one hell of a draft. 7 picks in and there's already 3 wtf? picks.

Bengals1181
03-02-2012, 07:34 PM
1. Colts - Andrew Luck, QB Stanford - Bengals1181
2. Rams - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor -tubbs1518
3. Vikings - Matt Kalil, OT USC - Vancemeek
4. Browns - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU - Docta
5. Buccaneers - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
6. Redskins - David DeCastro, G Stanford - KabaModernFan
7. Jaguars - Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia - BuckeyeRidley
8. Panthers -tubbs1518
9. Dolphins - Docta
10. Bills
11. Chiefs -tubbs1518
12. Seahawks - KabaModernFan
13. Cardinals - Vancemeek
14. Cowboys
15. Eagles - Vancemeek
16. Jets - packa7x
17. Bengals - Bengals1181
18. Chargers - darvon
19. Bears - Trumpetbdw
20. Titans - Polishguy00
21. Bengals - Bengals1181
22. Browns - Docta
23. Lions - GoBigOrGoHome
24. Steelers - Trumpetbdw
25. Broncos - GoBigOrGoHome
26. Texans - BuckeyeRidley
27. Patriots - Polishguy00
28. Packers
29. Ravens - KabaModernFan
30. 49ers - packa7x
31. Patriots - Polishguy00
32. Giants

mikesteelnation1
03-02-2012, 07:52 PM
this is going to be one hell of a draft. 7 picks in and there's already 3 wtf? picks.

Decastro and glenns mothers don't even think they're going this high... :P

darvon
03-02-2012, 08:36 PM
Is #18 slot too high to pick a kicker?

wxwax
03-02-2012, 08:46 PM
*cough* quarterback *cough*

BuckeyeRidley
03-02-2012, 09:10 PM
LOL I looked @ JAC's chart; They have like 5-7 WRs & most with less than 5 years experience; they will retain there. QB was taken care of last year with Blaine despite new management & coach there this year from last year's decision makers. RB is fine with MJD so no 1st round choice there. I think Offensive Line is fine with expected emergence from TEN & continued rise of HOU in that AFC South. Colts might surprise in 2012 but I'm expecting growing pains from rookie head coach & possible rookie QB.

Bengals1181
03-02-2012, 09:25 PM
LOL I looked @ JAC's chart; They have like 5-7 WRs & most with less than 5 years experience; they will retain there. QB was taken care of last year with Blaine despite new management & coach there this year from last year's decision makers. RB is fine with MJD so no 1st round choice there. I think Offensive Line is fine with expected emergence from TEN & continued rise of HOU in that AFC South. Colts might surprise in 2012 but I'm expecting growing pains from rookie head coach & possible rookie QB.

having bodies doesn't mean much. The Jags probably have the worst receiving corp in the league. While #7 may be a reach for Michael Floyd, it would be much less of a reach than Cordy Glenn.

Docta
03-02-2012, 09:33 PM
Glenn is a major reach. You could have easily gotten another quality guard in the next round. It's a good draft for guards. You should have at least traded down in the first.


It's not worth taking Coples, Richardson, or Kirkpatrick so I went with the only other surefire top ten talent available. I considered Kuechly, but I think DeCastro is just better and is more of a need.
Richardson is one of the safest picks in the draft. He's not going top 5 simply because he's a RB.

And are we only doing 1 round?

Bengals1181
03-02-2012, 09:45 PM
Glenn is a major reach. You could have easily gotten another quality guard in the next round. It's a good draft for guards. You should have at least traded down in the first.


Richardson is one of the safest picks in the draft. He's not going top 5 simply because he's a RB.

And are we only doing 1 round?


was hoping to do at least 2?

We'll see how this goes, at this rate the only thing left for the Bengals to take at 17 are going to be QB's. :)

BuckeyeRidley
03-02-2012, 10:33 PM
Ya'll just don't want me to succeed! LOL

I'm drafting on how I THINK JAC will draft. I think they SHOULD take a WR top in the draft but they will possibly take an offensive protector for Gabbert. Say what you will about Blaine; I sense that Khan & Mularkey will work to make him effective.

Andy Freeland
03-02-2012, 10:34 PM
I don't think a true guard hasn't gone in the top 10 in the last 15 years. None in the top 7 in the last 25 years. Just sayin.

Bengals1181
03-02-2012, 10:38 PM
Ya'll just don't want me to succeed! LOL

I'm drafting on how I THINK JAC will draft. I think they SHOULD take a WR top in the draft but they will possibly take an offensive protector for Gabbert. Say what you will about Blaine; I sense that Khan & Mularkey will work to make him effective.


And THAT'S what you came up with???? :)


why not at least go with a tackle?

GoBigOrGoHome
03-02-2012, 10:49 PM
With Glenn's quicks off the point of attack, I'd consider trying him at NT/DT. 345# moving that quickly could be quite disruptive in the middle. If nothing else, he would probably command a double team most downs. Is his collegiate coach an idjit, or is he just too passive to play 'D'?

BuckeyeRidley
03-02-2012, 10:49 PM
LOL Thanks Andy. Maybe this year is the start of something special!

I didn't go with a tackle, Bengals, because I think the Guard can do work. He can help to keep Gabbert comfortable in the pocket despite the fact that he's a rookie & Gabbs already has MJD to feed again.

BuckeyeRidley
03-02-2012, 10:51 PM
With Glenn's quicks off the point of attack, I'd consider trying him at NT/DT. 345# moving that quickly could be quite disruptive in the middle. If nothing else, he would probably command a double team most downs. Is his collegiate coach an idjit, or is he just too passive to play 'D'?

Nice point. The way these defenders move today, wouldn't hurt for Bro Dude to be on the OLine to keep up with them. Hopefully [for my ego in this Mock Draft] its his coach's fault. LOL

Bengals1181
03-02-2012, 11:02 PM
With Glenn's quicks off the point of attack, I'd consider trying him at NT/DT. 345# moving that quickly could be quite disruptive in the middle. If nothing else, he would probably command a double team most downs. Is his collegiate coach an idjit, or is he just too passive to play 'D'?

why should they have switched him? He was their best olineman the last two year, and had a fine year this year at LT. Is considered a first round caliber guard prospect.

I hope there's some sarcasm I'm missing here.

tubbs1518
03-03-2012, 01:47 AM
With the 8th pick of the draft the Carolina Panthers select Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama.

mikesteelnation1
03-03-2012, 02:24 AM
With the 8th pick of the draft the Carolina Panthers select Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama.

Mr Jenkins multiple babies mommas thank you for over paying him.... Now he can catch up on payments, so he doesn't go to jail for something other than Mary j...

I'm not the biggest draft guy, and its not my area of expertise, but #8 is like nearly 20 spots higher than almost every mock I've seen...

Docta
03-03-2012, 04:14 AM
With the 9th pick in the NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M.

Ragar
03-03-2012, 07:57 AM
With the 9th pick in the NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins select Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M.

AS GM of the Miami Dolphins, I disavow this pick. It make s no sense for the team to invest in a QB draft pick with Flynn available (or Manning) Why? All Flynn or Manning cost is money for 3 years, Manning as he would be near retirement, Flynn as he either would have shown to be the guy or failed miserably and then both coach and qb would be gone and the team would be rebuilding. Also the one thing Ross has is money, therefore "saving money", on a reach qb pick make sno sense(it would also mean that Philbin ties his success to his OC's former qb at Texas A&M...seems likely to be always watching your back as a HC). Ina draft where you have free agent qb's available, and you are the front runner for the top 2, drafting a qb doesn't make sense unless that qb is worhty of a top 2 pick, and Tannehill isn't that guy. To draft Tannehill means you are wasting a rare oppurtunity to have a high draft pick and pick uip a qb in the same time frame, Tannehill needs to be a no-brainer, and I don't se it.

Best pick here would have been a reciever if one was worht the pick (non are), so it's either trade down to a team who wants Tannehill, or take a Pass Rusher LB/DE for the Dolphins hybrid 3-4(Coples as more DE or Upshaw as LB), or S-Mark Barron.

Bengals1181
03-03-2012, 08:04 AM
Mr Jenkins multiple babies mommas thank you for over paying him.... Now he can catch up on payments, so he doesn't go to jail for something other than Mary j...

I'm not the biggest draft guy, and its not my area of expertise, but #8 is like nearly 20 spots higher than almost every mock I've seen...


that's actually one of the most accurate picks made yet. It's far too high for where I'd take him, but there's legitimate reports that the panthers are considering him at that spot.

Bengals1181
03-03-2012, 08:07 AM
Group vote for the Bills pick is now open.

darvon
03-03-2012, 08:42 AM
He gonna sit behind Manning?

darvon
03-03-2012, 08:43 AM
As GM for the Colts, I say Neener Neener to the GM of the Saints.

darvon
03-03-2012, 08:48 AM
Vote for Bills DE Melvin Ingram.

Bengals1181
03-03-2012, 09:33 AM
my gut tells me to go oline here, but since most mocks I've seen has them going dline, I think DE Quinton Coples would be the best value here. I think OT Jonathan Martin and WR Michael Floyd are other viable options.

My pick is Coples.

vancemeek
03-03-2012, 11:44 AM
I'll second Ingram.

KabaModernFan
03-03-2012, 01:50 PM
I vote Riley Reiff - OT - Iowa

darvon
03-03-2012, 02:29 PM
San Diego offers a 2012 first and a 2012 3rd for Bill's 1st.

Trumpetbdw
03-03-2012, 02:40 PM
San Diego offers a 2012 first and a 2012 3rd for Bill's 1st.

This sounds like a fair deal. I'll second it.

wxwax
03-03-2012, 02:42 PM
I love the second-guessing in this thread!

I support the Dolphins taking Tannehill. Not only a talented guy going to a good-fit system, but he gets continuity with a coach who made him very productive.

tubbs1518
03-03-2012, 02:44 PM
I'll vote forThe trade as well.

Docta
03-03-2012, 02:58 PM
http://oi42.tinypic.com/2cwpro6.jpg

The trade would be unfair. The Bills pick is worth 1300, and the Chargers are giving up only 1095.

Bengals1181
03-03-2012, 03:39 PM
I'll second Docta. Chargers need to offer another pick or 2nd instead of 3rd.


Tied 2-2-2.

Someone can

1) accept the trade
2) reject the trade
3) finalize ingram as the pick

or propose a new trade or propose a different player

And it can't be darvon.

Trumpetbdw
03-03-2012, 04:22 PM
Sorry, went hasty. If we're doing trades, especially with a non owner, the points should be within 100 of being equal, at the very least. Agree that should be a 2 instead of a 3.

How many rounds is this mock?

Docta
03-03-2012, 05:12 PM
Sorry, went hasty. If we're doing trades, especially with a non owner, the points should be within 100 of being equal, at the very least. Agree that should be a 2 instead of a 3.

How many rounds is this mock?
We're going to try to do the 2nd round too.

GoBigOrGoHome
03-03-2012, 06:44 PM
I'll second Docta. Chargers need to offer another pick or 2nd instead of 3rd.


Tied 2-2-2.

Someone can

1) accept the trade
2) reject the trade
3) finalize ingram as the pick

or propose a new trade or propose a different player

And it can't be darvon.

Add a 2013 conditional 5th (could become a 4th if SD makes the playoffs) & it's a deal

Bengals1181
03-03-2012, 07:22 PM
sorry, for clarification, darvon can propose a new trade, but he can't vote on any of the existing options.

GoBigOrGoHome
03-03-2012, 07:31 PM
That was supposed to have a "?" at the end. It was meant to be a suggestion.

FYI - If this draft happens to get to me at #23, guys, please don't freak if I am not around to make a pick. We got a fresh foot of sloppy, wet snow last night and it took down my power & my cable/internet. I'm connected via a Verizon MiFi thing, but I can't guarantee the connection will last. I don't expect the draft to get to me given the current pace. But I thought I'd pass this along.

Bengals1181
03-03-2012, 07:33 PM
That was supposed to have a "?" at the end. It was meant to be a suggestion.

FYI - If this draft happens to get to me at #23, guys, please don't freak if I am not around to make a pick. We got a fresh foot of sloppy, wet snow last night and it took down my power & my cable/internet. I'm connected via a Verizon MiFi thing, but I can't guarantee the connection will last. I don't expect the draft to get to me given the current pace. But I thought I'd pass this along.

at this rate I think it will be at least wednesday before we get that far.

Ragar
03-03-2012, 08:20 PM
I love the second-guessing in this thread!

I support the Dolphins taking Tannehill. Not only a talented guy going to a good-fit system, but he gets continuity with a coach who made him very productive.

Not when you have the choice of the top 2 free agents, where you have a system in place for the young qb (who has been effective in both of his 2 starts, when both teams cared) and a veteran qb who you would change your system to. Is idiotic to waste a draft pick theat way.

Docta
03-03-2012, 08:31 PM
Not when you have the choice of the top 2 free agents, where you have a system in place for the young qb (who has been effective in both of his 2 starts, when both teams cared) and a veteran qb who you would change your system to. Is idiotic to waste a draft pick theat way.
Being a Packer fan, you've probably overrated Flynn. And since the draft is after FA, we can assume that the Dolphins missed out on both of them. According to Peter King, there are 4 other teams in the running to get Peyton, so it's not going to be so easy.

Ragar
03-03-2012, 08:47 PM
(kill myself now)

Docta
03-03-2012, 09:09 PM
{Overated when winning National Championship, overated beating out 2nd round draft Pick, overated when Packers kept only 2 qb's on the roster for the 3 years he was there}, it's not overated, it's talent rising to the top.

Dolphins have approximately $5 milliions in cap room right now,and wokring to lower some of teh other players for both resigning Kendall Langford and a qb.

If they manage to not get either Manning or Flynn, then you think about it, but with all the information that's out there right now, Tannehill is teh last solution, and it will casue a Ted Ginn Jr. type reaction in Miami. (best draft response I've ever seeen, was at a bar and teh Miami fan fell off his stool with taht pick)
So what have Matt Leinart, Chris Leak, and Vince Young done lately? They won national championships. And just because Brohm was picked in the 2nd round, doesn't mean he deserved it. That one's on the front office.

Comparing Tannehill to Ginn is apples to oranges.

tubbs1518
03-04-2012, 12:02 PM
Has the Bills pick been made yet?

Bengals1181
03-04-2012, 12:21 PM
Has the Bills pick been made yet?

no. For the love of pete someone come in and break the tie.

If no one breaks by tonight I'm just going to give them Ingram, who is the player with the most votes.

tubbs1518
03-04-2012, 12:24 PM
In other news, can I propose a trade from one team I am controlling to another? Do I need the approval of the board?

Bengals1181
03-04-2012, 12:26 PM
In other news, can I propose a trade from one team I am controlling to another? Do I need the approval of the board?


I'd be ok with that, but the board has to approve the trade details. I'd also say it has to be pretty realistic (ie a team trading down even though a player a huge position of need is sitting there may not be realistic unless its a great deal).

tubbs1518
03-04-2012, 12:35 PM
I was actually thinking something that is a little out there to be honest. I think it makes perfect sense for both teams but I might be in the minority lol.

darvon
03-04-2012, 12:40 PM
Can we run this through the 3rd round? Or my trade is a bit one-sided. We should be able to wrap up the 3rd round by kickoff in Sept shouldn't we???

vancemeek
03-04-2012, 12:43 PM
We should be able to wrap up the 3rd round by kickoff in Sept shouldn't we???

This seems a little optimistic.

tubbs1518
03-04-2012, 12:47 PM
I think the 3rd round is a good idea. There are still a lot of really good quality players available in the 3rd.

Bengals1181
03-04-2012, 12:48 PM
Can we run this through the 3rd round? Or my trade is a bit one-sided. We should be able to wrap up the 3rd round by kickoff in Sept shouldn't we???


things should pick up. It just got sticky with you proposing a trade offer to a team with no owner. :)

Bengals1181
03-04-2012, 12:49 PM
I think the 3rd round is a good idea. There are still a lot of really good quality players available in the 3rd.

I plan to take it as far as we can up until the day of the draft. Whether that's 1 round, or 4. I think we'll end up sneaking into the 3rd as long as no one quits.

darvon
03-04-2012, 01:32 PM
I am enjoying this thread and the pace immeasurably.

Thank you for doing it.

darvon
03-04-2012, 01:36 PM
As picker for SD in this mock, I represent the land of the interweb. Thus I do offer, over the internet, to the Chiefs the same deal as I do to the Bills IF the Bills are found to decline my offer. 1st and 3rd for your 1st.

mikesteelnation1
03-04-2012, 01:38 PM
I vote for coples. The bills need a pass rusher more than they need a rb. Didn't they use a 1st rounder 2 years ago on spiller? 2 1st rounders in such a short period of time is untenable to me.

mikesteelnation1
03-04-2012, 01:40 PM
Seeing as how I'm most likely not going to have a 2nd round pick after bounty gate, ill take the cowboys if no one objects.

tubbs1518
03-04-2012, 01:41 PM
Have at it sir. I have no objection to that.

Docta
03-04-2012, 02:53 PM
I vote Coples for the Bills also.

Bengals1181
03-04-2012, 03:33 PM
I vote for coples. The bills need a pass rusher more than they need a rb. Didn't they use a 1st rounder 2 years ago on spiller? 2 1st rounders in such a short period of time is untenable to me.

you couldn't have just said Melvin Ingram and gotten this over with? :)

Bengals1181
03-04-2012, 03:34 PM
I vote Coples for the Bills also.

you already voted.


But in the interest of moving on, let's go with coples. he's a higher rated DE than Ingram.

Bengals1181
03-04-2012, 03:34 PM
Seeing as how I'm most likely not going to have a 2nd round pick after bounty gate, ill take the cowboys if no one objects.

done.

Bengals1181
03-04-2012, 03:36 PM
1. Colts - Andrew Luck, QB Stanford - Bengals1181
2. Rams - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor -tubbs1518
3. Vikings - Matt Kalil, OT USC - Vancemeek
4. Browns - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU - Docta
5. Buccaneers - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
6. Redskins - David DeCastro, G Stanford - KabaModernFan
7. Jaguars - Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia - BuckeyeRidley
8. Panthers - Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama -tubbs1518
9. Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M - Docta
10. Bills - Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
11. Chiefs -tubbs1518
12. Seahawks - KabaModernFan
13. Cardinals - Vancemeek
14. Cowboys - mikesteelnation1
15. Eagles - Vancemeek
16. Jets - packa7x
17. Bengals - Bengals1181
18. Chargers - darvon
19. Bears - Trumpetbdw
20. Titans - Polishguy00
21. Bengals - Bengals1181
22. Browns - Docta
23. Lions - GoBigOrGoHome
24. Steelers - Trumpetbdw
25. Broncos - GoBigOrGoHome
26. Texans - BuckeyeRidley
27. Patriots - Polishguy00
28. Packers
29. Ravens - KabaModernFan
30. 49ers - packa7x
31. Patriots - Polishguy00
32. Giants

Saints (no first round pick) - mikesteelnation1

Bengals1181
03-04-2012, 03:37 PM
Chiefs are on the clock.

Trumpetbdw
03-04-2012, 03:37 PM
Since all I voted for was the trade, I'll jump in on Coples.

Bengals1181
03-04-2012, 07:23 PM
tubbs, you might as well propose your trade idea for the chiefs (who are on the clock). I know officially it can't be accepted just yet, but it can be discussed in the meantime.

tubbs1518
03-05-2012, 12:58 AM
Sorry just got off work. If Franchised the Chiefs offer the Rams their 1st, 2nd and Dwayne Bowe to STL for the rights to RGIII.

mikesteelnation1
03-05-2012, 01:42 AM
Sorry just got off work. If Franchised the Chiefs offer the Rams their 1st, 2nd and Dwayne Bowe to STL for the rights to RGIII.

Seems like its a no brainer for the rams here. They get rid of a piece they don't need in Rg3, gain one they're dying for in a legit receiver in bowe, and get to address their other biggest need at tackle with both Martin and reiff still available. Plus they pick up a second round pick in return. (Still baffled more guards have been selected than tackles)..

My question is this. Does this deal make sense for the chiefs? It could if they think Rg is a franchise guy, because cassel clearly isn't. And with the trade of bowe they have sent the only credible receiver on this team out of town, with no recourse until the 3rd round. I know were in fantasy land right now, but I don't see the chiefs making this deal.

What does everyone else think?

tubbs1518
03-05-2012, 01:54 AM
I think it makes perfect sense. They are a running team right now. They have a really good D when healthy. They could cut Cassel now without a huge cap hit though I don't know the exact number. Gives them a franchise QB to go with their running game. I'd even be ok with a 1st, 3rd and Bowe for RGIII. That also leaves Breaston as a WR with McCluster and Baldwin. That isn't a bad WR group. I think Bowe is expendable to get that legit QB in town.

mikesteelnation1
03-05-2012, 02:20 AM
I think it makes perfect sense. They are a running team right now. They have a really good D when healthy. They could cut Cassel now without a huge cap hit though I don't know the exact number. Gives them a franchise QB to go with their running game. I'd even be ok with a 1st, 3rd and Bowe for RGIII. That also leaves Breaston as a WR with McCluster and Baldwin. That isn't a bad WR group. I think Bowe is expendable to get that legit QB in town.

There's no financial implication here. Cutting cassel after the draft, but before Sept only costs the chiefs like $200k. Pioli was masterful in the way he wrote this contract to be able to cut bait and run at any point after last year. Even keeping him as a backup for the year isn't a horrible number. A little over $5 mil. Worth keeping him just in case Rg isn't as ready as we would like to believe...

Given the situation, I think the trade would be worth looking at from the chiefs stand point. The values seem to be in line, but the stumbling block may be bowe sans a long term deal. His value is what makes this trade hum. Dunno if stl would do it for a swap of picks and and an additional 2. They would want a long term commitment from bowe. initially it seemed good for the rams too, but without a contract for bowe its lopsided.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 07:35 AM
I'm ok with it as long as bowe actually gets franchised today.

Tubbs, like I mentioned in my PM response, I'd be interested to see an explanation of what you're going to do with Cassell and the $22 million he still has on his contract, as well as the extension #s for Bowe by the rams, and if the rams have the cap room to do it.



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Trumpetbdw
03-05-2012, 08:23 AM
No chance unless Bowe immediately signs a long-term deal with St. Louis, and even then it's a stretch. I know Bowe is a borderline pro bowler, but we have to look at the perceived value of receivers.

Right now, St. Louis wants at least two 1s, a 3, and a 5 for that pick (that's the deal SD got from the Giants, which is their stated minimum). Washington is rumored to be offering two 1s, a 2, and a 4. And likely, that price tag goes up. In this deal, they'd be getting a 1 and a 2 plus Bowe. So the question becomes, 'is Bowe worth a 1 and a 4 by himself', especially considering the value of wr in recent trades? Plus, wouldn't St. Louis just use the same money they'd have used on Bowe to resign Brandon Lloyd? Maybe Lloyd doesn't want to stay, but I think that point is irrelevant. I don't think it's all that close. I'd say no deal.

Trumpetbdw
03-05-2012, 08:31 AM
I'm ok with it as long as bowe actually gets franchised today.

Tubbs, like I mentioned in my PM response, I'd be interested to see an explanation of what you're going to do with Cassell and the $22 million he still has on his contract, as well as the extension #s for Bowe by the rams, and if the rams have the cap room to do it.

My 2 cents...

First of all, it makes perfect sense for KC from a personel standpoint to get RGIII. It won't happen, but Cassel is a guy. And with the rookie wage scale, it's not ridiculous to keep both for this year. But as Mike pointed out, the cap hit is minimal at best. I'd guess in this scenario, Cassel is released, and another cheaper legit backup QB is found. Worst case for both, Cassel can't land a job and comes back at a cheaper rate.

That of course is assuming the deal KC offers is enough. But it's not.

Trumpetbdw
03-05-2012, 08:32 AM
And didn't St. Louis only give up a 6 to get Brandon Lloyd?

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 08:46 AM
My 2 cents...

First of all, it makes perfect sense for KC from a personel standpoint to get RGIII. It won't happen, but Cassel is a guy. And with the rookie wage scale, it's not ridiculous to keep both for this year. But as Mike pointed out, the cap hit is minimal at best. I'd guess in this scenario, Cassel is released, and another cheaper legit backup QB is found. Worst case for both, Cassel can't land a job and comes back at a cheaper rate.

That of course is assuming the deal KC offers is enough. But it's not.


I don't think its too off base. St. Louis would basically be getting 2 1's and a 2 IMO (and I think having an experienced WR rather than drafting a rookie counts for something). If tubbs wants to throw in something else as well, he can.

You bring up a good point with Brandon Lloyd though.

Andy Freeland
03-05-2012, 10:17 AM
Sorry just got off work. If Franchised the Chiefs offer the Rams their 1st, 2nd and Dwayne Bowe to STL for the rights to RGIII.

Seems very light to me. Even if the Rams sign Bowe to a long term deal, I think the Chiefs would have to throw in next year's #1 as well. Remember, with the rookie cap those top 5 picks have gone from a burden to an incredible bargain.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 10:22 AM
Seems very light to me. Even if the Rams sign Bowe to a long term deal, I think the Chiefs would have to throw in next year's #1 as well. Remember, with the rookie cap those top 5 picks have gone from a burden to an incredible bargain.

to be fair and realistic, the chiefs ARE in a slight position of power in this situation, as the Rams got themselves stuck with both bradford and rg3. so the rams almost have to make a move on one of them, and may have to take slightly less than they'd like to fix the problem.

IMO the rams never should have taken rg3 to begin with (and realistically I don't think they ever would unless bradford is traded). Now realistically they have to get themselves out of this mess.

Andy Freeland
03-05-2012, 10:23 AM
2nd overall pick = 2600 points. 11th overall (1250) + 44th overall (460) + next year's #1 (420) = 2130 + Dewayne Bowe..

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 10:24 AM
realistically, the rams would never take rg3 there unless they already had a trade in place for him or bradford.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 10:28 AM
2nd overall pick = 2600 points. 11th overall (1250) + 44th overall (460) + next year's #1 (420) = 2130 + Dewayne Bowe..

so using that (and fwiw I don't think published draft value charts are all that accurate anymore), Bowe is only worth a 2nd round pick, and that's just not accurate.

Trumpetbdw
03-05-2012, 10:43 AM
2nd overall pick = 2600 points. 11th overall (1250) + 44th overall (460) + next year's #1 (420) = 2130 + Dewayne Bowe..

Exactly. This is the updated draft chart. And even then, I can see it, but is Bowe even = a 2nd rounder? Shady. He's a bit of an attitude guy, as was Santonio Holmes. Holmes was worth a 5. Take out the suspension, and he would have garnered no more than a 4. WE may look at a vet as a good thing, but NFL execs always prefer youth/picks to vets. I just can't see the Chiefs commanding a 2nd for Bowe on the open market, but at least if Tubbs throws out Andy's new offer, it's much closer to passable.

Polishguy00
03-05-2012, 11:40 AM
I'm not backing out and I'll still pick for my teams, but my honest opinion of this whole thing thus far is that the draft should not have continued until a trade for the #2 pick was finalized. I think that pick, and that pick only, should not have been forced into the 24 hours rule.

vancemeek
03-05-2012, 11:51 AM
The trade wasn't going to happen. The teams that realistically would be interested in trading up were Cleveland, Miami, Washington, and maybe Seattle. Two of those 4 were owned by Kaba, who doesn't like RGIII, and wouldn't trade up for him. The other two were owned by Docta, who, IMO, wanted too much, so again, not going to happen.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 12:09 PM
I'm not backing out and I'll still pick for my teams, but my honest opinion of this whole thing thus far is that the draft should not have continued until a trade for the #2 pick was finalized. I think that pick, and that pick only, should not have been forced into the 24 hours rule.

see I can't buy that. tubbs, docta and kaba all picked their teams weeks ago. They had plenty of time to work out a trade.


Now I don't agree with the pick the Rams actually made, but I don't think they should have been forced to make a trade.

vancemeek
03-05-2012, 12:11 PM
Yeah, I think the 24-hour rule was fine because, like I said, the trade wasn't going to happen anyway. Kaba doesn't like RGIII, so half of the trading partners were out right away.

Polishguy00
03-05-2012, 12:24 PM
I understand the points made. I can't help to be clouded by what my own intentions usually are on these things and I view them as simulations. I think a simulation of this year's draft has to include a trade of the #2 pick. The "do what you would want to do" part of this is hard for me to grasp, but I'll try.

In trying, I officially announce that the Patriots are shopping their two picks in the first round and are looking to move up into the "teens."

tubbs1518
03-05-2012, 12:37 PM
The chiefs will throw in next years 2nd but I think another 1st is just too much. If it takes that much the chiefs have to back out.

vancemeek
03-05-2012, 12:44 PM
I'm ok with it.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 01:15 PM
seconded.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 03:49 PM
dwayne bowe has officially been franchise tagged.

tubbs1518
03-05-2012, 04:14 PM
Then the STL Rams trade the rights to RGIII to the KC Chiefs in exchange for this years 1st, 2nd, next years 2nd and Dwayne Bowe.

tubbs1518
03-05-2012, 04:14 PM
If the Chargers are still interested the Rams will trade them the 11th pick for their 1st and 3rd round picks.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 04:49 PM
Then the STL Rams trade the rights to RGIII to the KC Chiefs in exchange for this years 1st, 2nd, next years 2nd and Dwayne Bowe.


someone else has to come in and approve it first. :p

mikesteelnation1
03-05-2012, 06:01 PM
someone else has to come in and approve it first. :p

Consider it done.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 06:08 PM
Rams are on the clock.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 06:09 PM
1. Colts - Andrew Luck, QB Stanford - Bengals1181
2. Rams - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor -tubbs1518
3. Vikings - Matt Kalil, OT USC - Vancemeek
4. Browns - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU - Docta
5. Buccaneers - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
6. Redskins - David DeCastro, G Stanford - KabaModernFan
7. Jaguars - Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia - BuckeyeRidley
8. Panthers - Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama -tubbs1518
9. Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M - Docta
10. Bills - Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
11. Chiefs -tubbs1518 traded to the Rams along with a 2012 2nd, 2013 2nd and Dwayne Bowe for RGIII
12. Seahawks - KabaModernFan
13. Cardinals - Vancemeek
14. Cowboys - mikesteelnation1
15. Eagles - Vancemeek
16. Jets - packa7x
17. Bengals - Bengals1181
18. Chargers - darvon
19. Bears - Trumpetbdw
20. Titans - Polishguy00
21. Bengals - Bengals1181
22. Browns - Docta
23. Lions - GoBigOrGoHome
24. Steelers - Trumpetbdw
25. Broncos - GoBigOrGoHome
26. Texans - BuckeyeRidley
27. Patriots - Polishguy00
28. Packers
29. Ravens - KabaModernFan
30. 49ers - packa7x
31. Patriots - Polishguy00
32. Giants

Saints (no first round pick) - mikesteelnation1

Trumpetbdw
03-05-2012, 06:44 PM
Disagree vehemently with the trade, but so be it. Realistically, there isn't any value on the trade market for a WR with a checkered attitude history who's 6 years older than many guys being drafted this year. Even if next year's 1 (equivalent to a #2 this year) was included instead of next year's 2, I didn't think the value was there. The only real thing about that deal is that a deal for the 2 should have been made all along.

I offer Pittsburgh's #24 overall to Dallas for their #14, plus a 2nd and 4th rounder.

Trumpetbdw
03-05-2012, 06:49 PM
2nd overall pick = 2600 points. 11th overall (1250) + 44th overall (460) + next year's #1 (420) = 2130 + Dewayne Bowe..

Again, I think to keep this thing as legit as possible, if we're including trades, we have to at least make it close to the draft chart. Whether you agree or not, it's a good guide. And if Lloyd is worth a 6, and Holmes a 5, Bowe is not worth a late first rounder/early 2nd rounder, or as the deal was actually constructed, a middle first rounder.

I'm not trying to cause trouble, it's an exercise, but if we don't follow the NFL's unofficial official guideline, then what's the point?

KabaModernFan
03-05-2012, 06:50 PM
I agree with Trumpet, but whatever at this point.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 07:01 PM
let's put it this way. The trade that was accepted is infinitely more realistic than EITHER decastro and glenn going in the top 7, let alone both.

tubbs1518
03-05-2012, 07:42 PM
Exactly. Guards don't go top 10. Def not 2. Realistic went out the window at 6.

KabaModernFan
03-05-2012, 08:00 PM
DeCastro is one of the ten best players in this draft. I stand behind my pick fully.

vancemeek
03-05-2012, 08:05 PM
Realistically, either the Browns or the Redskins ARE trading up and giving up more than what was asked for by Tubbs. DeCastro might go higher than a G has gone before, but since I think ultimately the Redskins are moving up to #2, I don't think DeCastro is in play. We either have to go with reality (Kaba doesn't like RGIII, but I guarantee the Skins do), or just go with what we would be OK doing (Tubbs trading RGIII to the Rams for what he did).

tubbs1518
03-05-2012, 08:38 PM
And I fully stand behind my trade. It was votes yes 3 other tines than by me.

GoBigOrGoHome
03-05-2012, 08:48 PM
DeCastro is one of the ten best players in this draft. I stand behind my pick fully.

I was hoping either DeCastro or Glenn would still be around for the Lions at #23. Guards used to not get drafted in the top 10. But I think over the next few years that trend is going to be chucked out the window. The new CBA has made drafting for true need a more palatable proposition.

tubbs1518
03-05-2012, 08:56 PM
When do I need to make this pick by? I'm trying to see if Darvon still wants that trade he offered me cause If he does I'll take it.

Trumpetbdw
03-05-2012, 09:08 PM
Hey, the trade's done. I'm not judge and jury. It was lopsided, plain and simple, based on the system that the NFL uses. Done. Fine. It would never happen, but it's done, so we'll move on. Draft unpredictability regarding picks? Now that could happen. Were the picks accurate? Likely not, but I have less problem with unpredictability than a trade that doesn't pass the chart test.

Teams are getting smarter. They draft good football players. DeCastro in particular is a good football player. It's unconventional, but top 10 could be in his future.

In the future, may I merely suggest (since I have no more authority than that) that we follow the chart since that's the universally accepted method that the NFL uses. It's the fairest method, and the toughest to argue.

Now again Mike, my 1 for your 1, 2, 4. And also $5 million in cap space. Thanks.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 09:08 PM
DeCastro is one of the ten best players in this draft. I stand behind my pick fully.

I'm inclined to agree with that. Doesn't mean you take a pure guard 6th overall.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 09:09 PM
When do I need to make this pick by? I'm trying to see if Darvon still wants that trade he offered me cause If he does I'll take it.

Tuesday, 6pm. Preferably sooner.

mikesteelnation1
03-05-2012, 09:27 PM
Hey, the trade's done. I'm not judge and jury. It was lopsided, plain and simple, based on the system that the NFL uses. Done. Fine. It would never happen, but it's done, so we'll move on. Draft unpredictability regarding picks? Now that could happen. Were the picks accurate? Likely not, but I have less problem with unpredictability than a trade that doesn't pass the chart test.

Teams are getting smarter. They draft good football players. DeCastro in particular is a good football player. It's unconventional, but top 10 could be in his future.

In the future, may I merely suggest (since I have no more authority than that) that we follow the chart since that's the universally accepted method that the NFL uses. It's the fairest method, and the toughest to argue.

Now again Mike, my 1 for your 1, 2, 4. And also $5 million in cap space. Thanks.

I'll only do the deal if its your 1 for my 1,2,4 the $5 mil in cap space and you take this pesky ware fella off my hands :p

tubbs1518
03-05-2012, 09:29 PM
If Darvon hasn't messages by abou 11-1130 tonight I'll make the pick.

Bengals1181
03-05-2012, 09:33 PM
If Darvon hasn't messages by abou 11-1130 tonight I'll make the pick.

are you allowed to do that? You've tried to trade 3 of your 4 potential picks so far. :p

Trumpetbdw
03-05-2012, 09:36 PM
1. Trades are allowed, but must be realistic (ie a trade you could see the team making in real life).

Just trying to follow the rules :D

And I don't disagree on DeCastro, but considering how the draft had gone, I can see a team with a need on the interior line making a play for him if the true stars of the draft have already been selected. For Washington, if Claiborne is gone, and they don't get RGIII, their choice is to reach for a WR (not a historically wise move), reach for Tannehill (who they may not believe in), reach for a S, trade down (perhaps their best choice), or make a play for the best OL on their board. Is it that outlandish that DeCastro would be their highest rated player in that scenario?

Now Cordy Glenn on the other hand...

Trumpetbdw
03-05-2012, 09:37 PM
I'll only do the deal if its your 1 for my 1,2,4 the $5 mil in cap space and you take this pesky ware fella off my hands :p

Sorry, dealbreaker.

wxwax
03-05-2012, 10:12 PM
Gosh, I feel like I'm in a war room! :)

mikesteelnation1
03-05-2012, 10:18 PM
Sorry, dealbreaker.

What if I throw in another $5 mil and cap room, and give you some tickets to the next superbowl in our "special" temporary seats?

Trumpetbdw
03-05-2012, 10:43 PM
What if I throw in another $5 mil and cap room, and give you some tickets to the next superbowl in our "special" temporary seats?

Done. {Those "special" temporary seats sound like a sure thing.}

tubbs1518
03-05-2012, 11:46 PM
The STL Rams select Trent Richardson RB Alabama.

mikesteelnation1
03-06-2012, 12:51 AM
Did you really just do all that wheeling and dealing only to select a position that isn't a need, when the 2nd and 3rd best tackles are still available? Your franchise qb didn't just sit most of the season because he hurt himself mowing the lawn. He got battered. He needs protection. And you could have snagged the 2nd best protector. But you pick a guy who won't start, in a position where studs can be found quite often after the 1st.

This is clearly an alternate reality draft, where everything strange that can happen does. What's next a kicker off the board in the first?

tubbs1518
03-06-2012, 01:35 AM
Jackson can void his contract whenever he pleases, he is hurt a lot and is getting up there. The Rams don't need another RT which is what Martin and Reiff are. However a solid 2 headed running game will keep Bradford from having to throw as often, teams will have to put more in the Box, allowing shorter passes to be open. Neither tackle was worth that pick. Richardson will be a much bigger help that a RT. Plus they are paying Smith too much money to sit the bench. They will give him another chance with Saffold at LT.

packa7x
03-06-2012, 01:44 AM
Jackson can void his contract whenever he pleases, he is hurt a lot and is getting up there. The Rams don't need another RT which is what Martin and Reiff are. However a solid 2 headed running game will keep Bradford from having to throw as often, teams will have to put more in the Box, allowing shorter passes to be open. Neither tackle was worth that pick. Richardson will be a much bigger help that a RT. Plus they are paying Smith too much money to sit the bench. They will give him another chance with Saffold at LT.

Can't wait for the Rams to bust out the Delaware Wing T!

packa7x
03-06-2012, 01:53 AM
Also, a stipulation in Jackson's contract states that he cannot void the deal if he doesn't average over 400 yards receiving over the first 4 years...he averaged 354.

tubbs1518
03-06-2012, 01:53 AM
I think Richardson is one of the best picks for the Rams in they trade back.

mikesteelnation1
03-06-2012, 02:11 AM
Jackson can void his contract whenever he pleases, he is hurt a lot and is getting up there. The Rams don't need another RT which is what Martin and Reiff are. However a solid 2 headed running game will keep Bradford from having to throw as often, teams will have to put more in the Box, allowing shorter passes to be open. Neither tackle was worth that pick. Richardson will be a much bigger help that a RT. Plus they are paying Smith too much money to sit the bench. They will give him another chance with Saffold at LT.

You can't run a ball control offense unless you have a legit defense. You most certainly do not. You're bottom quartile. You can't run effectively unless you're winning, the rams don't do that often. They're throwing to catch up. Add to that the inaccuracy of your post about sjax being able to void his contract. He missed the passing yard trigger. He's under a contract most teams wouldn't be willing to pick up. Sjax is a ram.

You can't run or pass with a bad o line. That's compounded by always being at a deficit in games. That's when they need to pass and protect bradford. He needs the time to run thru his progressions. Richardson doesn't give him that. Matter of fact he's only a younger version of sjax without the pro resume. Which all flies in the face of being able to get a rb later, a quality o lineman, not so much..

And you just traded for a receiver who's game isn't running crisp routes short and getting yac. Bowe is a deep threat, out jump someone guy. Are you trying to help your faults on offense? Running the ball wasn't the problem. Stuffing 8 guys in the box wasn't the problem. Your qb being healthy was. You chose not to protect him, giving him a player he can't use adequately bc he isn't given time to let bowes route develop, and selected a piece that isn't necessary. Your logic doesn't compute...

mikesteelnation1
03-06-2012, 02:18 AM
I think Richardson is one of the best picks for the Rams in they trade back.

Trade back and use the SECOND round pick they get as a result of the trade to acquire him? Sure that makes sense, the paradigm of need vs talent would balance there. In the middle of the 1st with 2 of the best 3 tackles available at the rams biggest position of need? Not a chance!!! Need should be the pick. Especially at rb. It's well chronicled rb is a waste of a 1st rounder. Unless he's truly special. Richardson isn't, and he's coming off an injury.

tubbs1518
03-06-2012, 03:55 AM
Ummm they don't need a RT, I thought we discussed this. A RT isn't their too position of need. They aren't your team so chill.

darvon
03-06-2012, 07:09 AM
The SD Chargers offer to trade the seattle seahawks a 1st and a 3rd for their 1st

darvon
03-06-2012, 07:09 AM
You know I am starting to see why they have phones at the draft, and not just a bulletin board.

Bengals1181
03-06-2012, 07:49 AM
1. Colts - Andrew Luck, QB Stanford - Bengals1181
2. Rams - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor -tubbs1518
3. Vikings - Matt Kalil, OT USC - Vancemeek
4. Browns - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU - Docta
5. Buccaneers - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
6. Redskins - David DeCastro, G Stanford - KabaModernFan
7. Jaguars - Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia - BuckeyeRidley
8. Panthers - Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama -tubbs1518
9. Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M - Docta
10. Bills - Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
11. Chiefs -tubbs1518 traded to the Rams along with a 2012 2nd, 2013 2nd and Dwayne Bowe for RGIII
11. Rams - Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
12. Seahawks Luke Kuechly, LB Boston College - KabaModernFan
13. Cardinals - Riley Reiff, OT Iowa - Vancemeek
14. Cowboys - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama - mikesteelnation1
15. Eagles - Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis - Vancemeek
16. Jets - packa7x
17. Bengals - Bengals1181
18. Chargers - darvon
19. Bears - Trumpetbdw
20. Titans - Polishguy00
21. Bengals - Bengals1181
22. Browns - Docta
23. Lions - GoBigOrGoHome
24. Steelers - Trumpetbdw
25. Broncos - GoBigOrGoHome
26. Texans - BuckeyeRidley
27. Patriots - Polishguy00
28. Packers
29. Ravens - KabaModernFan
30. 49ers - packa7x
31. Patriots - Polishguy00
32. Giants

Saints (no first round pick) - mikesteelnation1

Bengals1181
03-06-2012, 07:55 AM
Did you really just do all that wheeling and dealing only to select a position that isn't a need, when the 2nd and 3rd best tackles are still available? Your franchise qb didn't just sit most of the season because he hurt himself mowing the lawn. He got battered. He needs protection. And you could have snagged the 2nd best protector. But you pick a guy who won't start, in a position where studs can be found quite often after the 1st.

This is clearly an alternate reality draft, where everything strange that can happen does. What's next a kicker off the board in the first?

while I probably would have gone Jonathan Martin, Richardson is FAR from a bad pick there. Steven Jackson will be 29 when the season starts, and has an injury history. If they aren't going to give up on Jason Smith just yet, it doesn't make sense for them to grab Martin. They don't need a RT, and there's no guards of value at this position.

Richardson is easily one of the top 5 players in this draft. Getting him at spot 11 is very solid value.

It's not even close to being the most questionable pick in this draft. Hell, IMO it's not even the most questionable pick tubbs has made.



Out of all the picks to question in this mock so far, this one is pretty low down on the list.

darvon
03-06-2012, 08:48 AM
It's not even close to being the most questionable pick in this draft.

Yep. I haven't picked yet.

tubbs1518
03-06-2012, 10:02 AM
Haha Darvon. Going that far out on the wing?

Trumpetbdw
03-06-2012, 10:22 AM
Yeah, I'll be honest and say I didn't have a problem with the Richardson pick. St. Louis has drafted line over the past few drafts, both sides of the ball. I'm not sure there was a defensive difference maker available at 11 that would have been a good fit. And that team needs an injection of exciting talent. With Bradford, hypothetical Bowe, and now Richardson, there's at least a bit of life in that team. Much of the O-Line is still young enough where good coaching and continuity can lead to improvement.

I'm not necessarily sold on Richardson. I learned my lesson with McFadden, who to me was a better prospect and took a while to develop, along with an injury history, thus not justifying the pick Oakland used on him despite his elite talent. But Richardson is clearly a talent, and could be a piece toward making it a more dynamic offense.

If I'm St. Louis, I dangle Bradford. Not sure what they'd get for him, but he seems rather dull to me. I'm not sure of his upside beyond a slightly better Matt Cassel at this point. But even if they "only" get a 1 from Washington, Miami, or even KC. Taking RGIII plus the best available (in a real draft, DeCastro), then trade up later in round 1 for a guy who could turn into an impact defensive presence? That's a pretty good draft right there.

tubbs1518
03-06-2012, 10:25 AM
Bradfords contract is too high. He is hard to trade. I think Bradford could be a top 5 QB in this league too personally.

Trumpetbdw
03-06-2012, 10:56 AM
Bradfords contract is too high. He is hard to trade. I think Bradford could be a top 5 QB in this league too personally.

The contract and the injury issues are the biggies, so I doubt it would work, but if they could land a top 10 pick for him, considering cap saved and the addition of another top player, that's the direction I'd go. But no, I don't see another team stepping up to do it.

KabaModernFan
03-06-2012, 12:54 PM
The Seattle Seahawks select Luke Kuechly - LB - Boston College

vancemeek
03-06-2012, 01:03 PM
The Arizona Cardinals happily select Tackle Riley Reiff, Iowa.

darvon
03-06-2012, 05:20 PM
$*(&#)(*#$&)(*@(!)&*(@&#)(*&@#(&(B

mikesteelnation1
03-06-2012, 07:29 PM
The cowboys select dre kirkpatrick.

Trumpetbdw
03-06-2012, 08:42 PM
the cowboys select dre kirkpatrick.

we had a deal!!!

darvon
03-06-2012, 08:53 PM
ooh this sounds juicy.

mikesteelnation1
03-07-2012, 12:20 AM
we had a deal!!!

As much as the thought of sending 4 picks and a player and $$ to the steelers appeals to me as a steeler fan for the boys to move back, I don't think the commish would have ok'd the trade. Although for a while it was bizarro world draft and it would have fit right in.

tubbs1518
03-07-2012, 12:35 AM
You are the only person who thinks Richardson was a bizarre pick.

mikesteelnation1
03-07-2012, 03:09 AM
You are the only person who thinks Richardson was a bizarre pick.

I actually wasn't referring to that as the primary basis. I know my view there isn't shared by many. I was more referring to 2 guards going top 7 and a team with no need whatsoever picking Rg3 instead of kalil, a position of extreme need when no trade partners. It would be nice if people read what they saw, and stopped inferring what they think someone meant.

But since you brought it up 1st round backs are crazy over rated and mostly over drafted. Esp with the evolution of offensive football. There's way more studs found in the other rounds. I know the percentages play to this, but unless a guy is special he's not worth a 1st round pick. Add to that the limited life span of a back. Most don't make it out of their 1st contract. My team is a perfect example.

Fast Willie was an udfa. Total beast till he got hurt. Mendenhall fell down far to us. Best guy on our board by far. He's been good, but not great. Not as good as a healthy Willie, and I'd venture to say not as good as his replacement, another udfa redman. Not worth where we picked him, for sure eventhough he was by far the best player on the board. He was supposed to go top 10-15. This is before we extrapolate that Richardson sat behind ingram who had a less than inspiring rookie year. My opinion is backs are never worth a 1st rounder, unless its a special guy. Same with receivers. They're complimentary pieces, not corner stones.. stl isn't in a position to be acquiring complementary pieces.

The second worst team in the league this year, and the worst 3 years ago is in no position to pick guys that aren't cornerstones.

vancemeek
03-07-2012, 04:13 PM
The Eagles select Dontari Poe, DT.

Bengals1181
03-07-2012, 04:29 PM
1. Colts - Andrew Luck, QB Stanford - Bengals1181
2. Rams - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor -tubbs1518
3. Vikings - Matt Kalil, OT USC - Vancemeek
4. Browns - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU - Docta
5. Buccaneers - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
6. Redskins - David DeCastro, G Stanford - KabaModernFan
7. Jaguars - Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia - BuckeyeRidley
8. Panthers - Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama -tubbs1518
9. Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M - Docta
10. Bills - Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
11. Chiefs -tubbs1518 traded to the Rams along with a 2012 2nd, 2013 2nd and Dwayne Bowe for RGIII
11. Rams - Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
12. Seahawks Luke Kuechly, LB Boston College - KabaModernFan
13. Cardinals - Riley Reiff, OT Iowa - Vancemeek
14. Cowboys - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama - mikesteelnation1
15. Eagles - Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis - Vancemeek
Philly trades the rights to Poe to Pittsburgh for picks #24 and #87
16. Jets - packa7x
17. Bengals - Bengals1181
18. Chargers - darvon
19. Bears - Trumpetbdw
20. Titans - Polishguy00
21. Bengals - Bengals1181
22. Browns - Docta
23. Lions - GoBigOrGoHome
24. Steelers - Trumpetbdw Traded to Philadelphia - vancemeek
25. Broncos - GoBigOrGoHome
26. Texans - BuckeyeRidley
27. Patriots - Polishguy00
28. Packers
29. Ravens - KabaModernFan
30. 49ers - packa7x
31. Patriots - Polishguy00
32. Giants

Saints (no first round pick) - mikesteelnation1

Trumpetbdw
03-07-2012, 07:07 PM
The Eagles select Dontari Poe, DT.

The Steelers will offer you our #1 and #3 for the rights to Poe.

wxwax
03-07-2012, 07:09 PM
Wow. To me, that guy has "bust" written all over him. Not just the chest. :)

vancemeek
03-07-2012, 07:21 PM
The Steelers will offer you our #1 and #3 for the rights to Poe.

Deal.

Trumpetbdw
03-07-2012, 07:22 PM
Deal.

Excellent. Can we finalize this, bengals?

Also, your PM box is full. Possible trade offer for the Bengals pick, depending on what the Jets do.

Bengals1181
03-07-2012, 07:27 PM
Excellent. Can we finalize this, bengals?

Also, your PM box is full. Possible trade offer for the Bengals pick, depending on what the Jets do.

let's open it up for discussion since its not the steelers pick yet. Personally I think a 3rd rounder is a little weak. Should be a 2nd rounder, and the draft value chart supports that.


Thanks for the note on the PM box.

darvon
03-07-2012, 07:49 PM
The deal should stand unless the commish thinks it is so onesided that he wants to make the dramatic stand of throwing it out. In a deal with two live GMs.

Trumpetbdw
03-07-2012, 07:55 PM
let's open it up for discussion since its not the steelers pick yet. Personally I think a 3rd rounder is a little weak. Should be a 2nd rounder, and the draft value chart supports that.


Thanks for the note on the PM box.

This deal was accepted by 2 live GMs. The last deal was not. And it was much weaker in value than this one. Plus, I never stopped vance from countering. His choice to accept. Goodell would not step in on that one.

Bengals1181
03-07-2012, 09:43 PM
This deal was accepted by 2 live GMs. The last deal was not. And it was much weaker in value than this one. Plus, I never stopped vance from countering. His choice to accept. Goodell would not step in on that one.


Fair enough, excellent point. done.

Bengals1181
03-07-2012, 09:49 PM
1. Colts - Andrew Luck, QB Stanford - Bengals1181
2. Rams - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor -tubbs1518
3. Vikings - Matt Kalil, OT USC - Vancemeek
4. Browns - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU - Docta
5. Buccaneers - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
6. Redskins - David DeCastro, G Stanford - KabaModernFan
7. Jaguars - Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia - BuckeyeRidley
8. Panthers - Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama -tubbs1518
9. Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M - Docta
10. Bills - Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
11. Chiefs -tubbs1518 traded to the Rams along with a 2012 2nd (#44), 2013 2nd and Dwayne Bowe for RGIII
11. Rams - Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
12. Seahawks Luke Kuechly, LB Boston College - KabaModernFan
13. Cardinals - Riley Reiff, OT Iowa - Vancemeek
14. Cowboys - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama - mikesteelnation1
15. Eagles - Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis - Vancemeek
Philly trades the rights to Poe to Pittsburgh for picks #24 and #87
16. Jets - packa7x
17. Bengals - Bengals1181
18. Chargers - darvon
19. Bears - Trumpetbdw
20. Titans - Polishguy00
21. Bengals - Bengals1181
22. Browns - Docta
23. Lions - GoBigOrGoHome
24. Steelers - Trumpetbdw Traded to Philadelphia - vancemeek
25. Broncos - GoBigOrGoHome
26. Texans - BuckeyeRidley
27. Patriots - Polishguy00
28. Packers
29. Ravens - KabaModernFan
30. 49ers - packa7x
31. Patriots - Polishguy00
32. Giants

Saints (no first round pick) - mikesteelnation1

Trumpetbdw
03-07-2012, 11:57 PM
The Bears are offering the Jets their 1st (#19 overall), 3rd (#17 in the round), and 4 (#16 in the round) = 1130 chart points

for

Jets 1st (#16 overall), 4th (#13 in the round), and 5th (#19 in the round) = 1108 chart points


I believe Packa has agreed to this, but I'll allow him to confirm before making my pick.

mikesteelnation1
03-08-2012, 01:31 AM
Wow. To me, that guy has "bust" written all over him. Not just the chest. :)

Well fortunately, our gm, scouts and coaching staff have a differing opinion on the guy. Forgive me if I follow their lead. Pittsburgh hasn't picked a single less than good starter under colberts watch, certainly no busts. With plenty of extra ordinary guys who made pro bowls mixed in. Mitchell turned 2 mid to late round guys into pro bowlers and anchors for a long time in smith and keisel..

If they want Poe, I'm a believer...

Bengals1181
03-08-2012, 03:16 PM
The Bears are offering the Jets their 1st (#19 overall), 3rd (#17 in the round), and 4 (#16 in the round) = 1130 chart points

for

Jets 1st (#16 overall), 4th (#13 in the round), and 5th (#19 in the round) = 1108 chart points


I believe Packa has agreed to this, but I'll allow him to confirm before making my pick.



so what's the deal on the trade? 1 hour out til the jets pick goes up for group vote.

Trumpetbdw
03-08-2012, 04:09 PM
He told me in a PM that he accepted the deal last night. I just figured he should probably confirm on here before I do anything.

GoBigOrGoHome
03-08-2012, 04:11 PM
He told me in a PM that he accepted the deal last night. I just figured he should probably confirm on here before I do anything.

Forward that PM to the commish, maybe?

Bengals1181
03-08-2012, 04:28 PM
He told me in a PM that he accepted the deal last night. I just figured he should probably confirm on here before I do anything.



I'll take you're word for it. Bears are up.

Bengals1181
03-08-2012, 04:37 PM
1. Colts - Andrew Luck, QB Stanford - Bengals1181
2. Rams - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor -tubbs1518
3. Vikings - Matt Kalil, OT USC - Vancemeek
4. Browns - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU - Docta
5. Buccaneers - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
6. Redskins - David DeCastro, G Stanford - KabaModernFan
7. Jaguars - Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia - BuckeyeRidley
8. Panthers - Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama -tubbs1518
9. Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M - Docta
10. Bills - Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
11. Chiefs -tubbs1518 traded to the Rams along with a 2012 2nd (#44), 2013 2nd and Dwayne Bowe for RGIII
11. Rams - Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
12. Seahawks Luke Kuechly, LB Boston College - KabaModernFan
13. Cardinals - Riley Reiff, OT Iowa - Vancemeek
14. Cowboys - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama - mikesteelnation1
15. Eagles - Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis - Vancemeek
Philly trades the rights to Poe to Pittsburgh for picks #24 and #87
16. Jets - packa7x
Traded to Chicago for picks #19, #80, and #111, along with a Jets 4th (#108) and 5th rounder (#146)
Bears - Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame - Trumpetbdw
17. Bengals - Stephon Gilmore, CB South Carolina - Bengals1181
18. Chargers - Jonathan Martin, OT Stanford - darvon
19. Bears - Trumpetbdw
Traded to the Jets along with picks #80 and #111. Bears also receive #108 and #146 from Jets
20. Titans - Polishguy00
21. Bengals - Bengals1181
22. Browns - Docta
23. Lions - GoBigOrGoHome
24. Steelers - Trumpetbdw Traded to Philadelphia - vancemeek
25. Broncos - GoBigOrGoHome
26. Texans - BuckeyeRidley
27. Patriots - Polishguy00
28. Packers
29. Ravens - KabaModernFan
30. 49ers - packa7x
31. Patriots - Polishguy00
32. Giants

Saints (no first round pick) - mikesteelnation1
Falcons (no first round pick) - Kabamodernfan
Raiders (no first round pick) -

KabaModernFan
03-08-2012, 05:05 PM
Hey Bengals just thought I'd speak up now, if we take this to a second round I'd be happy to take the Falcons since they don't have a first round pick either.

Bengals1181
03-08-2012, 05:27 PM
Hey Bengals just thought I'd speak up now, if we take this to a second round I'd be happy to take the Falcons since they don't have a first round pick either.

done.

darvon
03-08-2012, 05:34 PM
I would also like to volunteer for any uncovered team. Your choice.

ScottDCP
03-08-2012, 05:44 PM
Just noticed this. Not sure how things shook out, but tubbs's got balls. And Buffalo would likely take Melvin Ingram before Coples.

I love the trading.

Trumpetbdw
03-08-2012, 05:45 PM
Forwarded the response to you Bengals...

With the 16th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Chicago Bears select Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame.

darvon
03-08-2012, 05:57 PM
Good one. Cutler thanks you.

Bengals1181
03-08-2012, 06:40 PM
Just noticed this. Not sure how things shook out, but tubbs's got balls. And Buffalo would likely take Melvin Ingram before Coples.

I love the trading.


how about you take the bills? :)

Bengals1181
03-08-2012, 06:41 PM
Forwarded the response to you Bengals...

With the 16th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Chicago Bears select Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame.

great pick for the bears, though I think you could have stayed put at 19 IMO.

tubbs1518
03-08-2012, 07:56 PM
I agree on both points. Great pick but I think you could have gotten him at 19.

Trumpetbdw
03-08-2012, 08:41 PM
great pick for the bears, though I think you could have stayed put at 19 IMO.

Probably. But, we have an extra 3rd rounder, and didn't lose any picks, we just dropped back a bit. To secure the one player our franchise wanted more than any other in this draft, it was worth not taking the chance and offering that deal.

Bengals1181
03-08-2012, 08:55 PM
Probably. But, we have an extra 3rd rounder, and didn't lose any picks, we just dropped back a bit. To secure the one player our franchise wanted more than any other in this draft, it was worth not taking the chance and offering that deal.


you're instincts were right. The Bengals just had a trade fall through with a team who wanted to trade up for Floyd. Gonna have to ponder this pick. My top 4 I would have picked are all gone. Needless to say the pick is open to being traded.

Trumpetbdw
03-08-2012, 09:39 PM
The interesting pick would have happened if the Bears didn't end up with Floyd. I think that my observation of the Bears #2 need is slightly different than the general perception, although Bears fans may have agreed with me.

Bengals1181
03-09-2012, 10:27 AM
may be a slight reach (though I don't think much of one come draft time), but given need and availability, the Bengals select:

Stephon Gilmore, CB South Carolina

Bengals1181
03-09-2012, 10:29 AM
The Bengals are also entertaining offers for pick #21.

darvon
03-09-2012, 10:35 AM
With the 18th pick Sandy Ego takes, from Stanford, Andrew...wait, what?...he's been taken???...oh well give me the Martin kid.

Bengals1181
03-09-2012, 10:38 AM
With the 18th pick Sandy Ego takes, from Stanford, Andrew...wait, what?...he's been taken???...oh well give me the Martin kid.

doug martin? done.


:)

vancemeek
03-09-2012, 12:49 PM
Gilmore is rising on draft charts with some ranking him over Kirkpatrick. I like the pick.

Bengals1181
03-09-2012, 01:04 PM
Gilmore is rising on draft charts with some ranking him over Kirkpatrick. I like the pick.

yea he's rising. I still think thats probably 6-7 spots too early for him, but I couldn't justify some of the other guys I was thinking about, but at lesser positions of need.

Bengals1181
03-09-2012, 04:00 PM
1. Colts - Andrew Luck, QB Stanford - Bengals1181
2. Rams - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor -tubbs1518
3. Vikings - Matt Kalil, OT USC - Vancemeek
4. Browns - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU - Docta
5. Buccaneers - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
6. Redskins - David DeCastro, G Stanford - KabaModernFan
7. Jaguars - Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia - BuckeyeRidley
8. Panthers - Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama -tubbs1518
9. Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M - Docta
10. Bills - Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
11. Chiefs -tubbs1518 traded to the Rams along with a 2012 2nd (#44), 2013 2nd and Dwayne Bowe for RGIII
11. Rams - Trent Richardson, RB Alabama - tubbs1518
12. Seahawks Luke Kuechly, LB Boston College - KabaModernFan
13. Cardinals - Riley Reiff, OT Iowa - Vancemeek
14. Cowboys - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama - mikesteelnation1
15. Eagles - Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis - Vancemeek
Philly trades the rights to Poe to Pittsburgh for picks #24 and #87
16. Jets - packa7x
Traded to Chicago for picks #19, #80, and #111, along with a Jets 4th (#108) and 5th rounder (#146)
Bears - Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame - Trumpetbdw
17. Bengals - Stephon Gilmore, CB South Carolina - Bengals1181
18. Chargers - Jonathan Martin, OT Stanford - darvon
19. Bears - Trumpetbdw
Traded to the Jets along with picks #80 and #111. Bears also receive #108 and #146 from Jets
Jets - Melvin Ingram, OLB South Carolina
20. Titans - Whitney Mercilus, DE Illinois - Polishguy00
21. Bengals - Courtney Upshaw, DE Alabama - Bengals1181
22. Browns - Docta
23. Lions - GoBigOrGoHome
24. Steelers - Trumpetbdw Traded to Philadelphia - vancemeek
25. Broncos - GoBigOrGoHome
26. Texans - BuckeyeRidley
27. Patriots - Polishguy00
28. Packers
29. Ravens - KabaModernFan
30. 49ers - packa7x
31. Patriots - Polishguy00
32. Giants

Saints (no first round pick) - mikesteelnation1
Falcons (no first round pick) - Kabamodernfan
Raiders (no first round pick) - darvon

tubbs1518
03-09-2012, 05:13 PM
I'll take the Giants if no one wants them.

darvon
03-09-2012, 06:27 PM
I'll take the Raiders if avail.

I got my Ouija board all warmed up.

Bengals1181
03-10-2012, 10:46 AM
group vote for the Jets pick is now open.

Bengals1181
03-10-2012, 10:48 AM
my vote for the Jets is DE/OLB Melvin Ingram

vancemeek
03-10-2012, 11:13 AM
Seconded.

GoBigOrGoHome
03-10-2012, 12:15 PM
Make that three votes (and, hopefully a majority).

Can we get on with this now? Please?

And if you are going to participate in a draft here, please bother to be prepared and show up to make your picks (especially if you have been posting regularly during the time of your turn's window).

Bengals1181
03-10-2012, 12:16 PM
Titans are now on the clock.

Polishguy00
03-10-2012, 12:39 PM
Seriously, how many times is my guy going to picked right before me, I had the Titans all ready to take Ingram.

Instead, with the 20th pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, the Tennessee Titans select Whitney Mercilus, DE, University of Illinois.

GoBigOrGoHome
03-10-2012, 12:43 PM
1. Colts - Andrew Luck, QB Stanford - Bengals1181
2. Rams - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor -tubbs1518
3. Vikings - Matt Kalil, OT USC - Vancemeek
4. Browns - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU - Docta
5. Buccaneers - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
6. Redskins - David DeCastro, G Stanford - KabaModernFan
7. Jaguars - Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia - BuckeyeRidley
8. Panthers - Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama -tubbs1518
9. Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M - Docta
10. Bills - Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
11. Chiefs -tubbs1518 traded to the Rams along with a 2012 2nd (#44), 2013 2nd and Dwayne Bowe for RGIII
11. Rams - Trent Richardson, RB Alabama - tubbs1518
12. Seahawks Luke Kuechly, LB Boston College - KabaModernFan
13. Cardinals - Riley Reiff, OT Iowa - Vancemeek
14. Cowboys - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama - mikesteelnation1
15. Eagles - Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis - Vancemeek
Philly trades the rights to Poe to Pittsburgh for picks #24 and #87
16. Jets - packa7x
Traded to Chicago for picks #19, #80, and #111, along with a Jets 4th (#108) and 5th rounder (#146)
Bears - Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame - Trumpetbdw
17. Bengals - Stephon Gilmore, CB South Carolina - Bengals1181
18. Chargers - Jonathan Martin, OT Stanford - darvon
19. Bears - Trumpetbdw
Traded to the Jets along with picks #80 and #111. Bears also receive #108 and #146 from Jets
Jets - Melvin Ingram, OLB South Carolina
20. Titans - Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois - Polishguy00
21. Bengals - Bengals1181
22. Browns - Docta
23. Lions - GoBigOrGoHome
24. Steelers - Trumpetbdw Traded to Philadelphia - vancemeek
25. Broncos - GoBigOrGoHome
26. Texans - BuckeyeRidley
27. Patriots - Polishguy00
28. Packers
29. Ravens - KabaModernFan
30. 49ers - packa7x
31. Patriots - Polishguy00
32. Giants

Saints (no first round pick) - mikesteelnation1
Falcons (no first round pick) - Kabamodernfan
Raiders (no first round pick)

GoBigOrGoHome
03-10-2012, 12:43 PM
Bengals are on the clock.

Bengals1181
03-10-2012, 08:03 PM
thanks gobig.

GoBigOrGoHome
03-10-2012, 08:18 PM
No sweat, Bengals. Prolly a good idea to edit in the latest picks in the OP.

Bengals1181
03-10-2012, 08:30 PM
Bengals still have #21 up for grabs if there's any takers out there. Pick will be forthcoming otherwise in the morning.

darvon
03-10-2012, 09:18 PM
Can I do Raiders please?

Docta
03-10-2012, 09:25 PM
Don't forget to update the first post.

Bengals1181
03-10-2012, 10:42 PM
Can I do Raiders please?

yes.

darvon
03-11-2012, 11:54 AM
danka

darvon
03-11-2012, 12:01 PM
Bengals has 1 hour 38 minutes on the clock from NOW.

darvon
03-11-2012, 12:03 PM
Oakland offers a 2nd and a 4th for Bengals 1st. Offer is open for 45 minute from this point in time. NOW

Bengals1181
03-11-2012, 12:04 PM
Bengals has 1 hour 38 minutes on the clock from NOW.


yea yea. Mulling over about 6 guys, I think narrowed down to two. Hoping someone swoops in and saves me with a trade offer! :)

I've decided at points this morning to pick 4 of the 6 guys. This draft really hasn't shaken out well for the Bengals with decastro and glenn being overdrafted (imo)

KabaModernFan
03-11-2012, 12:04 PM
Oakland offers a 2nd and a 4th for Bengals 1st. Offer is open for 45 minute from this point in time. NOW

Oakland does not have a second round pick.

Bengals1181
03-11-2012, 12:08 PM
Oakland offers a 2nd and a 4th for Bengals 1st. Offer is open for 45 minute from this point in time. NOW



ha, that wouldn't be a good trade even if the raiders had a 2nd or 4th round pick.

Bengals1181
03-11-2012, 12:09 PM
Oakland does not have a second round pick.

i sensed sarcasm.

KabaModernFan
03-11-2012, 12:10 PM
i sensed sarcasm.

Oh lord, I didn't even pay attention to that. Oops. :iti:

Bengals1181
03-11-2012, 12:11 PM
alrighty let's just get this over with. After debating 7 guys at 5 different positions, the Bengals choose the highest rated guy that will likely raise a few eyebrows:


Courtney Upshaw, DE Alabama

KabaModernFan
03-11-2012, 12:19 PM
I actually really like that pick. Bengals look like they need another consistent pass rusher coming off the edge to compliment Dunlap.

darvon
03-11-2012, 12:22 PM
I don't have a 2nd? What idiot traded the 2nd? Wait til Al hears about this....

Bengals1181
03-11-2012, 12:41 PM
I actually really like that pick. Bengals look like they need another consistent pass rusher coming off the edge to compliment Dunlap.

I really like Upshaw's motor and power. I was debating between upshaw, perry, barron, wright, hightower, brockers and cox. I went to bed planning to take wright and woke up thinking the same this morning, but I think they get a #2 WR in free agency so wright didn't make much sense even though I think he's gonna be really good. Couldn't justify brockers or cox with both starting DT spots already locked down. Barron would have been a reach and IMO in most years is a early-mid 2nd rounder. Besides, bengals need a FS, not another SS.

Came down to Upshaw and Hightower. Liked Upshaw at DE more than Hightower at LB. Plus, I don't think the Bengals are ready to give up on maualuga yet, and he has potential replacements (at least as stop gaps) in skuta and muckelroy. Hightower IMO just wasn't elite enough to use a first round pick on given what the Bengals LB situation is.

Bengals defense was 5th in the league in sacks last year, but lack an elite DE. Dunlap plays like one but struggles to stay healthy and I still think Michael Johnson can become an 8-10 sack a year guy. But Upshaw I think can be a 10 sack a year guy as well and would fit well in the Bengals DE rotation.

Trumpetbdw
03-11-2012, 01:53 PM
If the Bears had lost out on Floyd, Upshaw was next on our board.

Bengals1181
03-11-2012, 03:40 PM
Trades
Picks voted on


1. Colts - Andrew Luck, QB Stanford - Bengals1181
2. Rams - Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor -tubbs1518
3. Vikings - Matt Kalil, OT USC - Vancemeek
4. Browns - Morris Claiborne, CB LSU - Docta
5. Buccaneers - Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
6. Redskins - David DeCastro, G Stanford - KabaModernFan
7. Jaguars - Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia - BuckeyeRidley
8. Panthers - Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama -tubbs1518
9. Dolphins - Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M - Docta
10. Bills - Quinton Coples, DE North Carolina
11. Chiefs -tubbs1518 traded to the Rams along with a 2012 2nd (#44), 2013 2nd and Dwayne Bowe for RGIII
11. Rams - Trent Richardson, RB Alabama - tubbs1518
12. Seahawks Luke Kuechly, LB Boston College - KabaModernFan
13. Cardinals - Riley Reiff, OT Iowa - Vancemeek
14. Cowboys - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama - mikesteelnation1
15. Eagles - Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis - Vancemeek
Philly trades the rights to Poe to Pittsburgh for picks #24 and #87
16. Jets - packa7x
Traded to Chicago for picks #19, #80, and #111, along with a Jets 4th (#108) and 5th rounder (#146)
Bears - Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame - Trumpetbdw
17. Bengals - Stephon Gilmore, CB South Carolina - Bengals1181
18. Chargers - Jonathan Martin, OT Stanford - darvon
19. Bears - Trumpetbdw
Traded to the Jets along with picks #80 and #111. Bears also receive #108 and #146 from Jets
Jets - Melvin Ingram, OLB South Carolina
20. Titans - Whitney Mercilus, DE Illinois - Polishguy00
21. Bengals - Courtney Upshaw, DE Alabama - Bengals1181
22. Browns - Kendall Wright, WR Baylor - Docta
23. Lions - Josh Robinson, CB Central Florida - GoBigOrGoHome
24. Steelers - Trumpetbdw - Traded to Philadelphia - vancemeek
Eagles - Dont'a Hightower, MLB Alabama
25. Broncos - Michael Brockers, DT LSU - GoBigOrGoHome
26. Texans - BuckeyeRidley
27. Patriots - Polishguy00
28. Packers
29. Ravens - KabaModernFan
30. 49ers - packa7x
31. Patriots - Polishguy00
32. Giants

Saints (no first round pick) - mikesteelnation1
Falcons (no first round pick) - Kabamodernfan
Raiders (no first round pick) - darvon

Docta
03-11-2012, 09:23 PM
With the 22nd pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor.

vancemeek
03-11-2012, 09:33 PM
Great first round for the Browns.

mkocs6
03-11-2012, 10:17 PM
I have to agree, I would be pretty happy if the first round fell this way. I could live other possible outcomes--drafting Blackmon or Richardson at #4, for instance--but this would be a pirate's haul, and we still have a pick near the top of the 2nd round where a definite starter at another position could be found. Nicely done, Docta.

Bengals1181
03-12-2012, 07:38 PM
Group Pick for the Lions will start at 9:30pm.


Biggie had PM'ed me a few days ago and said that his internet and power were intermittent because of the bad weather. Considering he's been missing in action for a day and a half, which isn't like him, I'd guess that he's in the dark right now.


He's requested that we vote for the top offensive lineman on the board.

KabaModernFan
03-12-2012, 08:08 PM
Group Pick for the Lions will start at 9:30pm.


Biggie had PM'ed me a few days ago and said that his internet and power were intermittent because of the bad weather. Considering he's been missing in action for a day and a half, which isn't like him, I'd guess that he's in the dark right now.


He's requested that we vote for the top offensive lineman on the board.

But is there an offensive lineman worth drafting right now?

Bengals1181
03-12-2012, 08:36 PM
But is there an offensive lineman worth drafting right now?

very true. made my last post in a rush. That's what he's requested, but if someone wants to suggest other options I doubt he'd care.

darvon
03-12-2012, 08:59 PM
CB

Lions need a corner. How about Josh? or Janoris?