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walzav31
08-22-2010, 12:17 AM
I was thinking about Harvin and those miserable migraines. If the cure was medical marijuana. Would it be allowed? I would think that would open flood gates, but if thats the medication. How would that be handled? I couldn't imagine insulin being banned.

Pattrick
08-23-2010, 11:42 PM
I was thinking about Harvin and those miserable migraines. If the cure was medical marijuana. Would it be allowed? I would think that would open flood gates, but if thats the medication. How would that be handled? I couldn't imagine insulin being banned.


When I was doing treatment at UCLA Westwood Oncology, I was prescribed Marijuana to help with the nausea and loss of appetite due to Chemotherapy. Trust me when I say that Medical Marijuana is COMPLETELY overrated and I wish there weren't so many people campaigning for it's uses. It gives lots of people suffering from really horrible and ****ty diseases false hope. I don't want to get on a soap box or anything but it needs to stop. If it had as much medical benefits as pot heads will tell you, it would be legalized and readily available for everyone in every state and you'd see commercials for it everywhere like you see those Claritin (sp?) commercials.

InNOutBurgler
08-24-2010, 04:03 AM
I agree that medical marijuana is overrated as an analgesic. However for some people it is really effective...it should just be legal and have nothing to do with hiding under the pretense of medicine. Some people medicate with alcohol, but no one would suggest heavy drinking to help any disease.

It's ridiculous that pot isn't legal in this country

Wordsworth
08-24-2010, 12:25 PM
it had as much medical benefits as pot heads will tell you, it would be legalized and readily available for everyone in every state and you'd see commercials for it everywhere like you see those Claritin (sp?) commercials.

It's not that easy. It has been overly demonized for decades as a result of Harry Anslinger's bully campaigns against it in the 1930s and is still something many people don't fully know about. Marijuana is not overrated but I will say it's not for everyone, though many people have found it to help soothe aches and pains, anxiety, and loss of appetite due to illness and clinical treatment. I think people expect it to automatically work and some folks need different medicines.

There are many reasons why marijuana isn't accepted by the government and I won't try and go into all of them in one post. It is partially a combination of the influence of the pharmaceutical companies on Capitol Hill, and the inability of the government to properly control and tax marijuana in a manner that they'd consider profitable. It is so easy to manufacture and access they would have no way to regulate it so it's easier for them to keep it illegal. It's not so easy to integrate an entirely new system for controlling something which has been illegal for nearly a century.

I do look forward to a time when people are more educated about it and realize that in many ways it is less harmful and less dangerous than alcohol, which is widely accepted and is an international pastime. But I digress, I don't mean to get on a soapbox here.

bluestree
08-24-2010, 01:38 PM
I grew up in a small town. When the police busted somebody for pot, the tavern owners association would place an ad in the paper congratulating them on a job well done.
Another factor you can't ignore is racism. Harry Anslinger wasn't interested in making pot illegal until pressure from Senators in the southwestern states caused him to do so. It was used as a way of ridding Arizona and New Mexico of immigrant Mexicans looking for work, who competed with whites for jobs during the depression. So it was villified as a drug used by smarmy, dark skinned foreigners and negroes, which it was. It was cheap to grow, and legal.
Alcohol, on the other hand, was the European drug of choice. My grandfather, a recent immigrant from Europe, was a moonshiner, and the only people that didn't buy his booze were a few people that grew and smoked "hemp", a custom they'd picked up from black minstrels coming up the Mississippi on riverboats from New Orleans. In those days, your home truly was your castle, and no one interfered with what you did there for the most part.

brauneyz
08-24-2010, 06:29 PM
When I was doing treatment at UCLA Westwood Oncology, I was prescribed Marijuana to help with the nausea and loss of appetite due to Chemotherapy. Trust me when I say that Medical Marijuana is COMPLETELY overrated and I wish there weren't so many people campaigning for it's uses. It gives lots of people suffering from really horrible and ****ty diseases false hope. I don't want to get on a soap box or anything but it needs to stop. If it had as much medical benefits as pot heads will tell you, it would be legalized and readily available for everyone in every state and you'd see commercials for it everywhere like you see those Claritin (sp?) commercials.

Pattrick, I'm sorry the MJ did not help with your adverse reactions to chemo. For my sister, whom I recently lost, pot was helpful in alleviating her nausea. Sadly, the politicization of this substance is hampering the exploration of its efficacy. Sure would be nice if we (the US for starters) could all get on the same page and leave these very private and gutwrenching decisions between the patient and provider. Continued good thoughts for you and your ongoing treatments.

Re: Percy Harvin ever getting the NFL OK, even if medically prescribed, is beyond a longshot. I love football, but sometimes the league cannot see the forest for the trees. Just don't see it happening. So sad.

Pattrick
08-27-2010, 08:44 AM
Pattrick, I'm sorry the MJ did not help with your adverse reactions to chemo. For my sister, whom I recently lost, pot was helpful in alleviating her nausea. Sadly, the politicization of this substance is hampering the exploration of its efficacy. Sure would be nice if we (the US for starters) could all get on the same page and leave these very private and gutwrenching decisions between the patient and provider. Continued good thoughts for you and your ongoing treatments.

Re: Percy Harvin ever getting the NFL OK, even if medically prescribed, is beyond a longshot. I love football, but sometimes the league cannot see the forest for the trees. Just don't see it happening. So sad.

I'm so sorry for your loss.... I'm sure it was hard to go through and it's something you wouldn't want to relive ever again but, your sister is in a better place now and doesn't have to deal with that horrible disease eating away at her every day. I am glad that pot helped her and she was able to enjoy her time with you a little while longer. I know almost a dozen cancer patients right now who are taking some form of marijuana to help them with the problems they have due to Chemo. All of them, for the most part, enjoy the benefits of MM and they'll quickly offer you a lollipop or brownie or cookie to prove to you how effective it is. For me though, it just didn't help. No matter what the form... it just didn't help me with my appetite (I didn't have an appetite for the entire 4 years I was doing bi-weekly chemo treatments) and it didn't help me with my nausea, I still threw up 7 to 8 times a day. I wanted it to work, I'm not one of those people who thinks it's this horrible drug destroying our youth... I know talking about religion and politics on sports blogs is taboo and you make enemies VERY quickly but, I'm a pretty easy going guy who almost always falls on the left side of things (and there goes the respect some of you had for me, lol, right out the window), I would like to see marijuana legalized. I would also like to see SEVERAL medications become legal here in the states that are legal (and proven to be effective and safe) in Europe and other places. While we're on the subject of the huge pharmaceutical companies and legalizing things, there is a huge thing that I'd love to see happen. I would love to see Merck and Phizer and Bristol-Meyrs Squibb and Abbott Laboratories turn around and give away certain cancer medications to people for FREE. It'll never happen but there are people DYING who cannot afford the medicines they need to live. I was one of those people. For 6 months last year, I had no idea how I was going to afford my Gleevec & several other medications that I needed. What was I going to do when I ran out? This was a shock and something that we hadn't planned on. After 4 months (and a 3 week hospital stay), a rep from Phizer came to my home and interviewed me and after he determined that I WAS going to die within the year if I didn't have my medications, he told me the "great news" that the company had decided that they were going to help me through my time of need and they were going to supply me with certain medications for a certainamount of time. I signed the necessary paper work and we were all very excited and happy and we all hugged the man and invited him to stay for dinner (he declined the offer, he had a plane to catch.. I totally understood). Then the waiting game started. We waited. and waited. and waited.

1 week before I was approved for Medicaid (don't even get me started on that...3 years of legal hell in court with my lawyers and the governments lawyers arguing over the definition of "disabled" and "dying") I received a box in the mail from Phizer with a one month supply of 1 of my medications, which was actually supposed to be mailed to one of my Doctor's. During those 6 months, it was terrible. 1 month of my medication and treatment cost a little over $19,000. That's $19,000 American Dollars. Thats AFTER several Cancer programs helped with the cost and treatment.

It almost destroyed us. We had to take out a loan (not as hard as I thought it was going to be). We had to borrow a serious amount of money from friends and family, even though they all said "no problem" and "it's a gift, don't ever think of paying us back" I'm still determined to pay them all back. We had to sell 2 of our Volkswagens (my GF and I are VW nuts), we loved those cars and we built them up ourselves. Seeing the look on my GF's face when we decided to sell those 2 was awful. I never want to let her down again.

BUT.... I wish those mega powerful pharmaceutical companies would shock the world and give away or drop the prices on certain treatments and medications significantly. As for the Medical Marijuana debate, maybe I'll try it again. The way things are going with my health, I'm looking at another round of Chemo either this winter or spring 2011. It all depends on how well my liver reacts to another round of tests.

bluestree
08-27-2010, 02:45 PM
...there are people DYING who cannot afford the medicines they need to live.

Just an incredible post, my friend. You brought tears to my eyes. My wife needs a bi-lateral lung transplant, and we've faced many of the same obstacles as you relate. I won't say too much, because your eloquence covers so much of what we feel, but I will say this, and I apologize if it turns political, the fact that it does is something we need to look at as well; for all or you that think the government can't do anything right and business and the private sector is so very efficient - while we've had to deal with the unnecessarily confusing paperwork and such, dealing with the government has been much more fruitful than dealing with the insurance companies, in our case Met Life. In the end it's simply better for the government if you live and pay taxes, and better for the insurance companies if you die. Countless times we were told "We never received that fax", "There's no one here that can help you with that", "There's no one in this office by that name", "You can send a fax to this number, but there's no one in that office that can take your phone call."
Fortunately, my wife was granted a disability claim so we didn't have that fight, and one of the great days of my life was after two years of struggling to pay for her insurance and meds, she went on Medicare. That has made a huge difference in the quality of our lives. In the greatest country in the world, this is not right. It does not have to be like this. I'll give a quick example; my wife had a nausea med, the only one that kept her from puking her guts out, but because she does not have cancer the insurance wouldn't pay. The generic drug was over $1100 a month, but my doctor told me the generic had been out since 1989, it wasn't some new thing they were still paying for the research on. Much of the fundamental research on drugs is paid for by us, the taxpayers.
If you're one of the good people that is concerned about "Obamacare", please do yourself a favor and come to the realization that you or a loved one is going to get sick at some point, and there needs to be a change. And when you try to find choose who has the right policy...Follow The Money! If the people who you generally agree with get a lot of money from the healthcare industry, switch sides on that issue! It won't make you a Commie Socialist.

Pattrick
08-27-2010, 11:24 PM
Just an incredible post, my friend. You brought tears to my eyes. My wife needs a bi-lateral lung transplant, and we've faced many of the same obstacles as you relate. I won't say too much, because your eloquence covers so much of what we feel, but I will say this, and I apologize if it turns political, the fact that it does is something we need to look at as well; for all or you that think the government can't do anything right and business and the private sector is so very efficient - while we've had to deal with the unnecessarily confusing paperwork and such, dealing with the government has been much more fruitful than dealing with the insurance companies, in our case Met Life. In the end it's simply better for the government if you live and pay taxes, and better for the insurance companies if you die. Countless times we were told "We never received that fax", "There's no one here that can help you with that", "There's no one in this office by that name", "You can send a fax to this number, but there's no one in that office that can take your phone call."

If you're one of the good people that is concerned about "Obamacare", please do yourself a favor and come to the realization that you or a loved one is going to get sick at some point, and there needs to be a change. And when you try to find choose who has the right policy...Follow The Money! If the people who you generally agree with get a lot of money from the healthcare industry, switch sides on that issue! It won't make you a Commie Socialist.

So sorry to hear about your troubles. I sincerely hope your wife is doing well and that she'll be able to get what she needs.
I've been in that situation where you're being ran around by everybody... people telling you to call this place at this time, only to find out that the office is closed. Supervisors telling you to send a fax to this number, only to find out that that number isn't a fax number. It's the most frustrating thing in the world because it seems like and feels like, no one cares about you. No one cares whats going to happen to you at the end of the day, you're just a number.
You and I seem to see eye to eye in regards to all of this, unfortunately theses days, it's not that hard to find people that are in our type of situations. I'm not trying to draw a comparison between your wife's illness and mine, I'm saying that it's just too common to hear from people just like you, your wife and I that have had such a hard time dealing with insurance companies and/or pharmaceutical companies. Not to sound too sappy or anything but, there is so much beauty and compassion in the world. You just can't seem to find that beauty or compassion where you need it, when you need it. I hope things are still going well for you and your wife since she's been approved for medicare. Make sure you hang on to her and tell her how much you love her and how good your day was just because you got to spend another day with her.

Whenever my family and loved ones tell me something along those lines, it really hits me hard, it makes me feel truly loved. And when your sick and dying (not to be too blue or anything) thats one of the biggest things you need. You need to be loved. You need to feel that.

bluestree
08-27-2010, 11:29 PM
Thanks, Pattrick. Peace bro.

FessJL0861
08-29-2010, 05:17 PM
I really don't want to be the jerk that comments on topic (Pattrick you know I'm not being a prick), but I think that if you allow medical marijuana to players, it will open the floodgates for every 6th round pick from SouthEast North Central State to come into the league and smoke themselves into complacency. It is a bad idea for players to be allowed to use this. As far as everyone else, to each his or her own. But players, no.

brauneyz
08-29-2010, 05:38 PM
I really don't want to be the jerk that comments on topic (Pattrick you know I'm not being a prick), but I think that if you allow medical marijuana to players, it will open the floodgates for every 6th round pick from SouthEast North Central State to come into the league and smoke themselves into complacency. It is a bad idea for players to be allowed to use this. As far as everyone else, to each his or her own. But players, no.

I promised myself I wasn't going to get into this, but I just can't seem to NOT scratch this itch...

Fess, why not? If some 6th rounder is gonna smoke himself into complacency, he won't last long anyway at this professional level, and I'd just as soon know that up front.

Secondly, in keeping with the NFL drug testing policy, they could certainly address that with players testing positive who did NOT have a medical prescription. The proscribed benefits of medical MJ would, at most, help alleviate the symptoms that darn few players experience (couple of guys with migraines). Really, how many cancer and glaucoma patients play in the NFL?

Lastly, you must have missed CC's take on this where he said he had no problems with players indulging in recreational drugs, but that steroids and other performance enhancing substances give unfair advantage and can change the playing field. They should remain verboten. (Yes, I am stirring the pot!) :)

FessJL0861
08-29-2010, 05:53 PM
I promised myself I wasn't going to get into this, but I just can't seem to NOT scratch this itch...

Fess, why not? If some 6th rounder is gonna smoke himself into complacency, he won't last long anyway at this professional level, and I'd just as soon know that up front.

Really, how many cancer and glaucoma patients play in the NFL?

Lastly, you must have missed CC's take on this where he said he had no problems with players indulging in recreational drugs, but that steroids and other performance enhancing substances give unfair advantage and can change the playing field.

Ok, first off, why tempt it? Most guys who just get drafted already have never been around this kind of money. Plus they have never had the opportunity to get what they want when they want it. The issue of legality is for those with the power to change it. That is just my view. Why even tempt it? Makes no sense to me.

Second, you must have missed it, but the original post was about migraines, not glaucoma or cancer. Those diseases are different issues. My father smoked a bunch of it when he was withering and dying from his 3rd and final bout with cancer many years ago. It helped ease his pain and I was too young to know any better. Looking back, I would never think less of him for it. But this is about migraines and football.

Third, I read CC's take on recreational drugs, and I disagree. This disagreement is based on two sides of the issue. The people that believe recreational drugs are a gateway to further use, and those that don't. I happen to be in the former camp. It doesn't mean I haven't smoked bushels of it when I was young, and it doesn't mean I care if you or anyone else does. I have my beliefs. If a man or women can't go through this world with their beliefs, well, Lord help em', whatever they believe. I love it when you stir the pot. DON'T ever hesitate. That's why we are here. I see the argument you have presented and it is well thought out. I just disagree.

brauneyz
08-29-2010, 06:13 PM
Ok, first off, why tempt it? Most guys who just get drafted already have never been around this kind of money. Plus they have never had the opportunity to get what they want when they want it. The issue of legality is for those with the power to change it. That is just my view. Why even tempt it? Makes no sense to me.

Second, you must have missed it, but the original post was about migraines, not glaucoma or cancer. Those diseases are different issues. My father smoked a bunch of it when he was withering and dying from his 3rd and final bout with cancer many years ago. It helped ease his pain and I was too young to know any better. Looking back, I would never think less of him for it. But this is about migraines and football.

Third, I read CC's take on recreational drugs, and I disagree. This disagreement is based on two sides of the issue. The people that believe recreational drugs are a gateway to further use, and those that don't. I happen to be in the former camp. It doesn't mean I haven't smoked bushels of it when I was young, and it doesn't mean I care if you or anyone else does. I have my beliefs. If a man or women can't go through this world with their beliefs, well, Lord help em', whatever they believe. I love it when you stir the pot. DON'T ever hesitate. That's why we are here. I see the argument you have presented and it is well thought out. I just disagree.

Why tempt what? I was trying to make the case for the medically supervised use of pot for migraine sufferers in the NFL. If you have no prescription for it, from an authorized MD, and test positive, you get slammed, just as now. I brought up the cancer and glaucoma pts. to show the very small number of guys in the NFL who would actually be pursuing a legitimate prescription. To my knowledge, that number is zero, while migraine sufferers in the NFL, this week anyway, number two.

As for stirrin' it up - I was just thrilled that I finally agreed with CC on something. I've batted zeros across the board otherwise.

FessJL0861
08-29-2010, 06:19 PM
As for stirrin' it up - I was just thrilled that I finally agreed with CC on something. I've batted zeros across the board otherwise.

HA, I like staying away from the majority, but on this thread, it sounds like I'm really really really far away.:D

Also, I must have misunderstood your initial point. I thought you were referring to other diseases, not migraines. Thanks for clarifying.

Stir away!

TheRealJosh
08-29-2010, 06:40 PM
Smoke themselves into complacency? Mark Stepnowski was one of the best centers in the league in the 90s and smoked everyday after practice. Because the results of all drug tests aren't made public or run by a third-party, I choose to believe it's used by almost all players in the league.

FessJL0861
08-29-2010, 07:39 PM
Smoke themselves into complacency? Mark Stepnowski was one of the best centers in the league in the 90s and smoked everyday after practice. Because the results of all drug tests aren't made public or run by a third-party, I choose to believe it's used by almost all players in the league.

You just came up with one guy. One. I do however agree wholeheartedly with you that it is used frequently by alot of players. Also, when did we start correlating pot with a high drive to succeed and achievement? News to me.

Pattrick
08-30-2010, 04:55 AM
I really don't want to be the jerk that comments on topic (Pattrick you know I'm not being a prick)

Whoa whoa whoa. I never said you were a prick or anything along those lines. You and I have had discussions before, we both seem to have some things in common and then there are somethings that we don't really see eye to eye on. You seem to be a good guy, I thought we were all good, cool with each other?

FessJL0861
08-30-2010, 09:19 PM
Always have been. I was just prefacing so I didn't come off as a jerk to you. That's all. (I always preface when involved in a delicate discussion if I actually like the people I'm talking to, which on FPL is about 99.9%.)

bluestree
08-30-2010, 09:33 PM
Always have been. I was just prefacing so I didn't come off as a jerk to you. That's all. (I always preface when involved in a delicate discussion if I actually like the people I'm talking to, which on FPL is about 99.9%.)

It's hard to have an earnest conversation with somone you don't know pesonally unless you are face to face. In your mind you hear the inflection of what you are saying that doesn't come across on the page. I'll write something I feel good about and then read it a day later and go "boy,, that's harsh, who peed in my cheerios yesterday?"

msclemons
08-30-2010, 10:55 PM
It's hard to have an earnest conversation with somone you don't know pesonally unless you are face to face. In your mind you hear the inflection of what you are saying that doesn't come across on the page. I'll write something I feel good about and then read it a day later and go "boy,, that's harsh, who peed in my cheerios yesterday?"

The worst part of internet discussions. You can give a genuine, heartfelt compliment that comes across as patronizing or insulting in text. It's tough.

As for the medical marijuana issue, I live in the heart of MJ country, Mendocino county, so I'm a bit jaded. I work with high school kids who see getting their MM card as a rite of passage. There are pro-MJ doctors at the local "compassionate care" head shops that hand out MJ cards like candy cigarettes. Even with my jaded outlook though, if MJ can help someone with migraines then let them have it. I've been through "mild" migraines as a teen - anything that alleviates a migraine is ok in my book. God help a guy like Harvin who suffers real migraines.

BubbaLove
08-30-2010, 11:47 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but as it applies to Percy Harvin, I'm not certain how MJ would help him on the field.

Would he be doing bong hits before games and practice? Would that really help?

However, if this is just a general discussion about the possible benifits of MJ releaving migraine headaches, I'm all for it.

My Mom used to suffer from migraines that strangely enough ended once the last of us 5 monsters left for college...HMMM...Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it?

FessJL0861
08-31-2010, 08:19 PM
It's hard to have an earnest conversation with somone you don't know pesonally unless you are face to face. In your mind you hear the inflection of what you are saying that doesn't come across on the page. I'll write something I feel good about and then read it a day later and go "boy,, that's harsh, who peed in my cheerios yesterday?"

I actually felt good about what I wrote, I just hate being the guy to get something back on topic when a thread strays. I don't want to be that guy, but I do have an opinion. I wanted to make sure that if anyone knew I wasn't being hateful, it would be Pattrick based on our exchanges in the past. Most of the people who have spent more than a minute or two on here have seen the regulars posts, and the regulars do know who is being nasty or not. I know I have engaged in a direct exchange with 80%-90% of the users on this site, and have had nothing but success in about 99.9% of the instances. Heck, even I'm guilty of underestimating how many level heads we have on here. I'm never worried about an unpopular opinion, but I promise I will quit this site when I start getting ruthless or prick-ly-ish (is that a word?).

Pattrick
09-01-2010, 08:49 AM
I actually felt good about what I wrote, I just hate being the guy to get something back on topic when a thread strays. I don't want to be that guy, but I do have an opinion. I wanted to make sure that if anyone knew I wasn't being hateful, it would be Pattrick based on our exchanges in the past. Most of the people who have spent more than a minute or two on here have seen the regulars posts, and the regulars do know who is being nasty or not. I know I have engaged in a direct exchange with 80%-90% of the users on this site, and have had nothing but success in about 99.9% of the instances. Heck, even I'm guilty of underestimating how many level heads we have on here. I'm never worried about an unpopular opinion, but I promise I will quit this site when I start getting ruthless or prick-ly-ish (is that a word?).

I gotcha. I understand what you were trying to get across. Sorry if I gave you the impression that you have to handle me with "kid gloves", I can take people being abrasive towards. I grew up in a military family, usually being the only one with the beliefs that I have and had to defend myself against a large Irish family. As long as people have respect and compassion for each other, I appreciate the back and forth conversation we have. Fess, you seem to have both respect and compassion whenever you engage in a discussion with everyone. I don't think you and I will ever have a problem.

GoBigOrGoHome
09-01-2010, 09:37 AM
Chronic migraine headaches are no fun at all. Pain so bad you can hear it. Dizziness, nausea, vomiting, blurred/double vision, sensitivity to light/odors/sound -- all symptoms. Sometimes I get a warning that a migraine is coming on. The weenie headache crowd would call this an 'aura'. Whatever. My warning usually comes in the form of a really acrid taste in my mouth (think 'I just got an aspirin stuck on my tongue' taste).

When I get the warning, I have medication that will stop a migraine in its tracks (Maxalt -- dissolves under the tongue for fast entry into the bloodstream).

Here's the rub: I get the warning maybe one migraine in six. The rest of the time, the headaches just rush in and I have to live with them. No medication will beat one back. Pain meds like Vicodin help in the very short term but lead to 'rebound headaches'. Anti-anxiety meds like Xanax & Valium only help if I take them regularly. I am unwilling be stoned all the time, so Xanax is out. Some migraines are mildly annoying, others are crippling. Percy Harvin's scene at practice the other day is all too familiar to me. My family, friends & coworkers no longer call 911 as they know that it's just another migraine.

Medical Marijuana has been suggested as a possibile treatment for my headaches. I am going to try it. Nothing else works. Percy Harvin should have the same option.