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Bengals1181
06-06-2014, 10:20 AM
The Bengals want to improve their rushing attack that ranked just 18th in the NFL last year. With the promotion of Hue Jackson to offensive coordinator and the 2nd-round selection of Jeremy Hill in this year's draft, Cincinnati figures to make that improvement in 2014.

It's been evident in OTAs how high the team is on Hill while also wanting to see what he's capable of. ESPN's Coley Harvey reports Hill has been getting reps with the first-team offense, even alongside Giovani Bernard at times:

It's clear after the first two open OTAs that they are trying to see whether he'll be ready to be used regularly this fall. So far, Hill has gotten his share of hand-offs with the first-team unit alongside Bernard. The two have been in the backfield at the same time, in addition to trading roles as the lone back in single-back sets that get called.

This also means BenJarvus Green-Ellis is getting pushed back into a group of running backs that will be in a dog-fight just to earn a roster spot.

It's left veteran BenJarvus Green-Ellis a little bit out of the starting picture. Green-Ellis has gotten his opportunities to work in Cincinnati's running back rotation, one that includes Rex Burkhead and Cedric Peerman, but it's clear Hill and Bernard are trending toward being the top tandem in the Bengals' backfield.


http://www.cincyjungle.com/2014/6/4/5779302/jeremy-hill-getting-first-team-work-alongside-giovani-bernard

Bengals1181
06-06-2014, 02:00 PM
video interview with Jeremy Hill from the Rookie Premiere


http://www.cincyjungle.com/2014/6/6/5786222/jeremy-hill-talks-new-bengals-role-playbook-reactions-new-teammates

mongo
06-06-2014, 07:16 PM
If Hill learns his blocking assignments, I just don't how much time BJGE can get this year.

Bengals1181
06-06-2014, 08:07 PM
in general, I just don't see how BJGE makes the team this year. They're giving Hill first team reps, have demoted BJGE to 3rd on the depth chart, and have promising other guys in Burkhead, Wilder and Scott to fill out the bottom of the depth chart.

I just see no way they pay BJGE $2.7M to be a mentor, especially with contracts looming for Dalton, Burfict, Green and possibly Gresham and Marvin Jones as well. They'll take the $2.5M cap savings and put it towards extending core guys.

mongo
06-06-2014, 10:58 PM
Besides, I'm not sure how much RBs need a mentor. It's nice to have a guy who can show you how to be a pro, and how to take care of your body, but that doesn't have to come from within the position group...

lucid
06-07-2014, 03:05 PM
It's all going to come down to how well Hill does blocking/picking up blitzes IMO. Marvin has shown this to be a premium consideration for the backfield, and it's a skill BJGE has shown proficiency in. Nothing against Benjy but I hope they do cut him because it will mean Hill is coming along nicely, and we all know/think we know he is a better pure runner (and receiver).

Bengals1181
06-07-2014, 03:49 PM
I must be the only one that doesn't think BJGE is all that great of a blocker.

lucid
06-07-2014, 04:03 PM
I must be the only one that doesn't think BJGE is all that great of a blocker.


I wouldn't say he is a "great" blocker, but I do think he is slightly above average for TB's.

Bengals1181
06-07-2014, 04:06 PM
I dunno, I just don't think its something he's good enough at to warrant a roster spot over someone else for it. It doesn't help that Gio hasn't been great at it though (though he's certainly willing). Hopefully Hill's big body is the best of the bunch.

lucid
06-07-2014, 04:12 PM
I dunno, I just don't think its something he's good enough at to warrant a roster spot over someone else for it. It doesn't help that Gio hasn't been great at it though (though he's certainly willing). Hopefully Hill's big body is the best of the bunch.

I'm just not sure what we really have in the guys after the top 3. It's not going to be Hill or Ellis. I like to think Burkhead is someone who can contribute, but I also wonder if the recent stocking of the cupboard at RB doesn't say something about what the coaches think of the RB room as it stood before the draft. Hill may not have a problem showing he is at least as good a blocker as BJGE, but I do think it's something he will need to show he can do if they are going to feel comfortable letting Ellis walk.

texbengal
06-08-2014, 11:49 AM
I'm just not sure what we really have in the guys after the top 3. It's not going to be Hill or Ellis. I like to think Burkhead is someone who can contribute, but I also wonder if the recent stocking of the cupboard at RB doesn't say something about what the coaches think of the RB room as it stood before the draft. Hill may not have a problem showing he is at least as good a blocker as BJGE, but I do think it's something he will need to show he can do if they are going to feel comfortable letting Ellis walk.

For most backs transitioning to the NFL, "conventional wisdom" is that pass pro is the biggest adjustment. So I agree that before BJGE gets the boot, I'm sure they will want to feel comfortable with Hill's ability to competently handle that phase. No question Benny is a team guy, good for the locker room, etc. and he's a pretty solid RB (he did leave some yards on the field, as he can't outrun many folks) with limited versatility.

I like Burkhead's game a lot, and both he and Peerman give you roster versatility that BJGE doesn't (catching the ball, STs), and at a lot less $. So injuries aside, I think Benny's on thin ice, but there's a lot of football to be played between now and September.

Zins30
06-08-2014, 01:31 PM
I think Hill came off very well in the interview in the link, much like his other interviews. Even though he seems to be saying the right things and seems to be pretty intelligent, I think it would be great to have BJGE show him how to be a pro for a year. Gio seems to be a pro's pro so I'm not sure how much guidance he needs, but with Hill's past issues I think a year of BJGE can only help. Add that to the fact that owners (MB included) seem to love him, and that MB is our GM, I don't them cutting ties with him.

There are just my thoughts but I think the following things keep BJGE here:

I read that BJGE was apprised of his role and since he's still on the team that he's OK with the mentor role
While the team could save a couple million by cutting him it's not like they NEED cap room or that the potential $2.5M savings is a huge amount.
His mentorship to show Hill the right way to do things (and hopefully stay out of trouble) will likely be worth well more than $3M in the long run
I like Rex, but don't think there's a lot that separates him from other later-round RB's (maybe his ST knowledge bumps off Perrman?)
We can likely stash one of Wilder or Scott on the PS as a backup plan if we cut Rex or Peerman (we've stashed 6th rounders there before at more premium positions - see Hamilton last year)
Someone else mentioned this, but without BJGE our RB group would be pretty young - age 22 or younger if Peerman gets cut too. Not that that's a horrible thing, but it is relatively unsual to have a RB corps without a veteran (I guess Peerman could play that role if he stays)


Conclusion: I think we see one more year of BJGE.

Bengals1181
06-12-2014, 03:36 PM
SB Nation puts the Bengals RB Corp in its "elite" category (looks like #4 overall).

Cincinnati Bengals (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/cincinnati-bengals)
RB Giovani Bernard, RB Jeremy Hill, RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis, RB Cedric Peerman, RB Jeff Scott, RB Rex Burkhead, RB James Wilder Jr.
Giovani Bernard had an excellent rookie season and looks to only get better in his sophomore campaign. Bernard was used more as a space player, receiver, and change of pace than last year's bell-cow in BenJarvus Green-Ellis, but made his touches count. On 170 carries, Bernard averaged 4.1 yards per carry (YPC) — solid while not overly impressive — but did catch 56 passes for 514 yards and three touchdowns to go with his five scores on the ground. Illustrating Bernard's explosive elusiveness in the open (http://www.sbnation.com/british-open) field, the rookie forced 20 missed tackles on receptions per ProFootballFocus.com's tracking, behind only Pierre Thomas (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/19011/pierre-thomas) and Jamaal Charles (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34464/jamaal-charles) in total number.



Likely providing the thunder to Bernard's lightning in 2014 is LSU's Jeremy Hill, chosen 55th overall by Cincinnati. Hill, like San Francisco's Hyde, is a 230-odd-pound brute carrying the football, and displayed uncanny balance and tackle breaking ability while in college. The combination of Bernard and Hill, along with solid depth in Green-Ellis and any of Cedric Peerman, Rex Burkhead, or rookies Jeff Scott and James Wilder Jr make Cincy one of my top backfields.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/6/11/5796064/nfl-best-running-backs-49ers-bills-bucs-bengals

JBandJoeyV
06-12-2014, 04:14 PM
I don't think they are elite yet but if hill can provide production similar to what Gio did last year then I think it will move towards that range. Need to OL to hold up too.

Bengals1181
06-16-2014, 10:06 AM
BenJarvus Green-Ellis could be cut before season beginsPosted by: Zack Kelberman (http://helmet2helmet.com/author/h2h/) in Cincinnati Bengals (http://helmet2helmet.com/category/afc-teams/cincinnati-bengals/), Rumors & Speculation (http://helmet2helmet.com/category/rumors-speculation/) June 15, 2014 2,775 Views

The “Law Firm” may be facing relocation.
In his weekly mailbag (http://espn.go.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/8575/bengals-benjarvus-green-ellis-fit-mailbag), ESPN Bengals reporter Coley Harvey predicted running back BenJarvus Green-Ellis will be released before the start of the season.
Due $2.3 million in 2014, the final year of his contract, Green-Ellis would be the odd man out of a backfield that includes clear-cut starter Giovani Bernard and rookie Jeremy Hill, who’s supplanted BJGE in recent OTAs.
It’s worth cautioning that Harvey’s prediction was more of an educated guess; he conceded Green-Ellis’ standing with Cincinnati is “kind of a mystery.” ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported last month the team is likely to keep the veteran plodder.
Green-Ellis, who turns 29 in July, is coming off a disappointing 2013 campaign in which he rushed for just 756 yards on 220 attempts — a career-low 3.4 yards-per-carry.
With new coordinator Hue Jackson implementing an uptempo, smashmouth offense (http://helmet2helmet.com/2014/05/22/gio-bernard-bengals-offense-will-smash-your-face-in/), there simply might not be room for Green-Ellis’ one-dimensional skill set.

http://helmet2helmet.com/2014/06/15/benjarvus-green-ellis-could-be-cut-before-season-begins/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Helmet2Helmet+%28Helmet2Helme t.com%29

Bengals1181
06-17-2014, 08:14 AM
Cincinnati Bengals: Why BenJarvus Green-Ellis should be nervous

June 16, 2014 by Megan Stamper (http://isportsweb.com/author/stamper/)


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In the second round of the 2014 NFL Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals took running back Jeremy Hill out of LSU. I was shocked by this move, as I saw the need for a Safety was more glaring than upgrading the running back position. So when Cincinnati selected Hill, it made the running back position a little crowded on the Bengals depth chart.

Last season, Green-Ellis and rookie running back Giovani Bernard split almost evenly the carries out of the backfield for the Bengals. Bernard was the more explosive back, and showed he also has the ability to catch passes out of the backfield to create plays, much like the old Ray Rice. Green-Ellis was the guy to get the call on short yardage downs when the Bengals needed a guy to fight for the tough yards. The drafting of Hill looks to add to this two-headed monster and make it an unstoppable three-headed monster, but I would not be surprised if 2014 turns into the Bernard-Hill show.

When Hue Jackson took over as offensive coordinator for the Bengals after old offensive coordinator Jay Gruden departed to take over as head coach of the Washington Redskins, he emphasized that the running game was going to take a new effect in Cincinnati. He wants to get back to a punishing running game, a style that the AFC North has been known for for years. Many were surprised when the Bengals picked Jeremy Hill in the second round over Ohio State running back Carlos Hyde, but Hill is a great compliment to Bernard, and can also be a threat as a receiver along with Bernard. If the Bengals have two running backs with the ability to run or receiver whenever they are on the field, that will make it harder on defenses to figure out which personnel they need on the field to cover the Bengals’ offense.

So where does Green-Ellis fit in this picture? Most are thinking he doesn’t. And really, it makes since that the Bengals cut BenJarvus before the season begins. If they cut him, they will save $2.5 million in cap space. With that extra money, the Bengals could be able to get contract extensions done with quarterback Andy Dalton and linebacker Vontaze Burfict.

With the way the Bengals offense is shaping up, it looks as if Cincinnati wants their running backs to not only be a rushing threat but a receiving threat as well. Bernard and Hill provide a great balance of being able to pick up rushing yards as well as receiving yards, and Green-Ellis looks to be on the outs of this dual threat. He’s getting older and the Bengals keep pulling in new, young, talented backs and there isn’t a place in Cincinnati for Green-Ellis anymore.


http://isportsweb.com/2014/06/16/cincinnati-bengals-benjarvus-green-ellis-nervous/

whodeyjc
06-17-2014, 09:21 AM
I guess I feel like that 2.5 million could be pretty valuable. If we roll it over, it could certainly be the difference between keeping a guy like Gresham or not keeping him. Could also be a bridging gap that could get AJ in the fold.

Bengals1181
06-17-2014, 09:27 AM
I guess I feel like that 2.5 million could be pretty valuable. If we roll it over, it could certainly be the difference between keeping a guy like Gresham or not keeping him. Could also be a bridging gap that could get AJ in the fold.

yea, if that $2.5M can get you say part of the way to an extension for Marvin Jones? That's valuable. Cash is so much more important than it already was now that you can roll over as much as you want from year to year. The money you save now, you can use in 2014 when say Marvin Jones will be looking for a new deal.


btw, did you get the PM I sent you here?

Bengals1181
06-18-2014, 11:33 AM
TWITTER QUESTION OF THE DAY

@pauldehnerjr (https://twitter.com/pauldehnerjr) do you see the Law Firm making the final 53
— KentuckyDude (@JHNNsports) June 17, 2014 (https://twitter.com/JHNNsports/statuses/478963437994012672)

I receive this question more than almost any other non-Dalton query, but since your avatar is Lebowski, I'll answer the question, dude. I mean, this isn't Nam, there are rules.
The Law Firm is clearly on thin ice, which is a bummer, dude. He's respected and liked across the league and locker room. But that only takes you so far in this business. He'll be 29 at the start of camp and Jeremy Hill is here to fill his role. If you're counting toes, you'll easily make your way to Gio, Hill, Peerman (too valuable on ST) and then Rex Burkhead when figuring out the four backs. BJGE could be valued higher than Burkhead, but at his age and in the last year of his contract would likely be gone. If you were gauging BJGE's future value, you'd have to mark it zero.
That said, theres a lot of ins, a lot of outs. One injury or lack of satisfaction with any of the other sand you'll be happy BJGE is around because in the past he's really tied the room together, has he not?

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/blogs/2014/06/18/walkthrough-618-bengals-play-development-game-at-wr/10729675/

Bengals1181
06-20-2014, 10:49 PM
Notable NFL Players Facing Role Reductions in 2014

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/003/686/364/hi-res-0276eb20aab1438991f7dd0b5379391d_crop_north.jpg?w= 630&h=420&q=75
Al Behrman/Associated Press
The young Bengals running backs may get more opportunities, while BenJarvus Green-Ellis (42, above) gets fewer.


The Cincinnati Bengals signed BenJarvus Green-Ellis to a three-year contract in 2012. Now, entering the final year of his deal, he has witnessed the Bengals draft a running back in the second round in each of the past two years: North Carolina's Giovani Bernard (2013) and Louisiana State's Jeremy Hill (2014).
Green-Ellis was the Bengals' bell cow in 2012, carrying the ball 278 times. Last year, with Bernard in his rookie year, Green-Ellis earned 220 carries—a dropoff of 58 from the previous year. Bernard was one of the most electric rookies in football last year, earning 1,209 yards from scrimmage and eight total touchdowns. Bernard (56 catches) is also far superior to Green-Ellis (two catches) on passing downs.
Over the past three years, Green-Ellis has not broken the four yards-per-attempt plateau. His average of 3.71 YPA from 2011-2013 ranks80th out of 96 backs (http://pfref.com/tiny/sKQ8T) who had at least 100 carries in that span, per Pro-Football Reference. His work in short-yardage situations has been valuable for teams, but Hill is a younger version of Green-Ellis and has far more tread left on his tires. As a second-round pick, the Bengals would probably like to see him on the field sooner than later.
This could be Green-Ellis' last year with the Bengals, and he could fade into the background of the offensive game plan.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2095724-notable-nfl-players-facing-role-reductions-in-2014/page/2 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2095724-notable-nfl-players-facing-role-reductions-in-2014/page/2)

Bengals1181
07-06-2014, 07:32 PM
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membengal
07-09-2014, 10:17 AM
Enough people have intrigued me on Wilder that I am hopeful they can get him onto the practice squad without losing him. Seems like the ideal young RB insurance guy to develop...

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Bengals1181
07-25-2014, 02:12 PM
so this was the depth chart yesterday

Bernard
Hill
Burkhead
Green-Ellis

Zins30
07-25-2014, 03:07 PM
so this was the depth chart yesterday Bernard Hill Burkhead Green-Ellis

With Peerman as personal protector for all return duties. Gotta believe BJGE is here for injury purposes.

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07-25-2014, 06:26 PM
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Bengals1181
07-28-2014, 12:19 AM
Green-Ellis gets boost from Bengals coach


JUL 27
8:15
PM ET

By Coley Harvey (http://search.espn.go.com/coley-harvey/) | ESPN.com

CINCINNATI -- BenJarvus Green-Ellis (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11754/benjarvus-green-ellis)' future with the Cincinnati Bengals (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals) first appeared in doubt back in early May when the Bengals drafted running back Jeremy Hill (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/16803/jeremy-hill) out of LSU.

The rookie is bigger than Green-Ellis. He's faster and clearly younger, too. His legs have several years left in them. Not the one or two Green-Ellis' presumably have remaining.

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Green-Ellis
Such evidence, it would seem, suggests the writing is on the wall for Green-Ellis.

But the Bengals aren't yet making plain any assertions of that sort, as they continue to believe there remains a place on the team for the 29-year-old known throughout the league for his dependable hands. Running back coach Kyle Caskey relayed such sentiments Sunday afternoon when he reaffirmed his commitment to the back who is anchoring the team's training camp backfield battle.

"Benny is still one of our guys and Benny is still getting the same amount of reps that Benny's always gotten," Caskey said. "Nothing's been taken away from Benny."

Caskey's comments come after Green-Ellis was moved from his first-team duties last season to the second- and third-team units during minicamp and organized team activities. He's begun training camp behind Hill and starter Giovani Bernard (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15826/giovani-bernard), and doesn't appear poised to emerge from their shadows any time soon.

Backups Cedric Peerman (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12519/cedric-peerman) and Rex Burkhead (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15971/rex-burkhead) have been among the backs getting repetitions with Green-Ellis below Bernard and Hill. One or both could threaten to take the veteran's spot.

Just four days into camp, it's tough to tell whether either will end up doing that. Actually, if Green-Ellis' spot on the roster came down to popular player opinion, it would appear that he would be overwhelmingly kept. Few players receive the type of support from the players standing on the sidelines than Green-Ellis has gotten so far.




Whenever he cuts back on an inside run or catches a screen pass out of the backfield, a steady stream of "Attaboy, Benny" erupts from the side. It's clear the veteran is liked and respected by his peers on both sides of the ball.

"He's a pro's pro," Caskey said. "He helps lead our young guys, and he helps bring them on. He does everything you ask him to do. He's been playing for a long time for a reason. He'll continue to play."

Ahead of his second NFL season, Bernard said during the offseason that he admired Green-Ellis.

"To have somebody like Benny who not only played here, but who played in New England and who plays the game the way he does, who understands it the way he does, you can learn a lot from somebody like that," Bernard said. "And I did. I continue to ask him questions.

"Whether he is here or not, I will still ask him questions. That's a person I'm going to rely on. That's a person I'm going to lean on because he understands the game very well."

Much of the knock on Green-Ellis this offseason came after his production declined last season. After averaging 3.9 yards per carry his first season with the Bengals in 2012, he rushed for just 3.4 yards per carry last year. He also saw his receptions plummet from 22 in 2012 to four last year. Also, after not having a fumble through his first four seasons, he now has five in his last two.

Production decreases aren't among the Bengals' chief concerns right now, though. They simply want to see how well he fits into their running back rotation through this camp. If he fits to their liking, he will make the team.

If he doesn't make the team this year or gets let go at the end of 2014 or sometime after, the Bengals just hope younger backs like Bernard truly have been taking notes.

"He won't play forever. Nobody does," Caskey said. "But he can pass on his [leadership] traits to Gio. And Gio can pass them on to Jeremy. And Jeremy can pass those on to the next guy or whatever the case may be."

Green-Ellis' task for now is to stockpile as many lessons as he can, and to teach them for years to come, not days.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/9427/bengals-benjarvus-green-ellis-kyle-caskey-boost-coach

Bengals1181
07-28-2014, 11:44 AM
Bengal Quick Thoughts: Bernard's touches

JUL 28
9:00
AM ET

By Coley Harvey (http://search.espn.go.com/coley-harvey/) | ESPN.com






One of the more intriguing storylines that we're tracking in Cincinnati Bengals (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals?ex_cid=null) training camp revolves around running back Giovani Bernard (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/15826/giovani-bernard?ex_cid=null) and the increased touches he's expecting this season.

He first heard during the spring that he was going to take on a greater share of the offensive load. He should be on the field more regularly and be put in better situations to see his number of touches increase from the 226 he had last year to somewhere closer to the neighborhood of 300.

By the extension of his position, quarterback Andy Dalton (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14012/andy-dalton?ex_cid=null) will play the largest role in the Bengals' offense this season. Receiver A.J. Green (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/13983/aj-green) will be a big contributor, too. But no other skill player will be used like Bernard will.



"I don't know if it's the workload that's going to get more, it's more the type of plays that we're going to run with him in the game," running backs coach Kyle Caskey said after Sunday's practice. "We're going to expand his portfolio of plays and find different ways to get the ball in his hands in space. You get the ball in Gio's hands in space, he's dangerous."

That's not much of a secret. Take a look at film from Bernard's first home regular-season game last year against Pittsburgh on "Monday Night Football." He ripped off a 27-yard touchdown reception that was powered by his speed, agility and the positioning of his blockers deep downfield. It was his only catch in that game, but the screen pass and big gain set the tone for how well he can play if put in the right spaces.

Caskey, new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson and the rest of the offensive coaches hope to put Bernard in those situations as often as possible this year. That could mean lining him out wide as a receiver, placing him into the slot or positioning him elsewhere on the field where he can catch passes. The same could be said for rookie Jeremy Hill (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/16803/jeremy-hill?ex_cid=null), who has also been lauded for his ability to catch passes even if he isn't quite as explosive as Bernard.

"You don't necessarily have to hand it off and say, 'Hey, Gio got 260 touches last year out of the backfield.' Maybe he gets 260 to 300 touches but he gets them some other way," Caskey said. "Maybe he gets 200 out of the backfield but he catches 100 passes or however it is. We'll find a way to get the ball to him."

That said, does it really matter exactly how many rushes and receptions he has?

"No," Caskey said. "Of course we're going to limit certain parts of his game. It's a long season, sixteen games. And you don't want him to get hurt. Besides, we've got a huge talent pool in our running back room with the other guys we've got there. So it's not like he has to go in there and take all the reps."

But the Bengals still want him to take as many as he can. That's something Bernard is looking forward to.

"Whenever I have the ball, I feel explosive," he said. "I'm not going to say I don't get tired, but there's always that thing where when you have the ball, you've got to go full speed. The more opportunities, the more things you can do with the ball."

Here are a few other quick items to be aware of as the Bengals kick off Week 2 of camp:

Green-Ellis gets support. Veteran BenJarvus Green-Ellis got a bit of a boost from Caskey, who said he was "still one of our guys (http://espn.go.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/9427/bengals-benjarvus-green-ellis-kyle-caskey-boost-coach)." While some in the media, myself included, have said the writing seems to be on the wall for Green-Ellis and his stay in Cincinnati, the coach contends that nothing has changed as far as the staff is concerned. It has also been interesting to hear the type of support Green-Ellis has received from his teammates in practice this camp. Typically when he's got the ball in his hands, offensive and defensive players are shouting more encouraging words to him than you hear for anyone else.

Campbell part of project. Found it interesting over the weekend that The Cleveland Plain Dealer and the Northeast Ohio Media Group were in the middle of a summertime project that saw them catch up with all the men who played quarterback for the Browns since 1999 (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/07/where_is_jason_campbell_-_catc.html). Yes, that's a long list. Be happy that you've had relative consistency at that position over the years, Bengals fans. Ranking 20th on the Plain Dealer's list was current Bengals backup Jason Campbell (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/8440/jason-campbell?ex_cid=null), who spent part of last season in Northeast Ohio. You can read about Campbell's post-football plans there, too.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/9445/bengals-giovani-bernard-touches-quick-thoughts​

Bengals1181
07-28-2014, 11:56 AM
Bengals' Jeremy Hill surprises in blocking drill

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/12e97e8ddff39c3b8038b69940af088c9028e5e7/c=0-0-200-200&r=1024x1024&r=26&c=26x26/local/-/media/Cincinnati/USATODAY/2014/04/22//1398198815000-rskinner.jpgRichard Skinner, rskinner@nky.com8:38 p.m. EDT July 27, 2014
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(Photo: The Enquirer/Gary Landers)


It was no surprise how natural rookie running back Jeremy Hill looked during running drills in Sunday's first day of practice in full pads, but what was a nice surprise for Hill and running backs coach Kyle Caskey was how well Hill did during a one-on-one blocking drill.
The drill consisted of a running back or fullback going one-on-one with a blitzing linebacker and the second-round draft pick was impressive during his two reps in the drill holding off linebacker Vincent Rey both times.
As an I-formation tailback at LSU, Hill wasn't asked to pick up blitzing linebackers that much and the Bengals have changed his technique when doing so as well.
"We know he can run the ball, we just need to get him more aggressive in his pass protection and really go attack guys and that's what we worked on today," said Caskey. "At LSU they do a lot of play action so they don't do the actual drop-backs a lot of times with the 5-step and 7-step drop-back protections. He did it, he just didn't do it as much as some.
"We just have to keep on him about it, because he's a runner. That's what he is in his mind, but now we just have to get to the point he's the complete package."




Hill said getting some positive reinforcement for working on his technique helps.
"It was good to get a pop on those guys and get your feet underneath you," said Hill. "I just have to break those bad habits of doing the things I did in college and do them the Cincinnati Bengals way. … getting up on those guys quick and not letting them get underneath you and stopping their momentum."
The 6-foot-1, 238-pound Hill also had a chance during 11-on-11 drills to show off the running ability that helped him rush for 1,401 yards this past season at LSU, second-most in a season in school history, and average 6.9 yards per carry, which set a single-season Southeastern Conference record for a runner with at least 200 attempts.
He ripped off two long runs between the tackles late in practice that probably would have been long runs even if tackling was allowed.
"I love power and those inside zone plays and it feels the same," said Hill. "I thought it would be a bigger jump, but it really isn't. Once I got the rhythm down I think just picked up where I left off (from college)."

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2014/07/27/bengals-jeremy-hill-surprises-blocking-drill/13250045/ (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2014/07/27/bengals-jeremy-hill-surprises-blocking-drill/13250045/)

mongo
07-28-2014, 12:32 PM
I don't get to watch much college football. I think most of it kind of sucks (blowing out small schools isn't fun for me to watch), and it's tough for me to ignore the honey-do list on both Saturday and Sunday afternoons. So I knew next to nothing about Hill.

He's really sounding like a heck of a pick!

I also said early on BJGE's best shot at sticking around this season was going to come from Hill being slow to learn his blocking... From what I've read so far, BJGE is pretty screwed.

Bengals1181
07-28-2014, 12:36 PM
I'm still kind of concerned about Hill's quick burst behind the line.

But dude is the Juggernaut once he gets going.

JBandJoeyV
07-28-2014, 01:03 PM
I'm still kind of concerned about Hill's quick burst behind the line. But dude is the Juggernaut once he gets going.

Which means the oline has to be better at run blocking. Need to create more holes than they did last year.

Bengals1181
07-28-2014, 01:06 PM
Which means the oline has to be better at run blocking. Need to create more holes than they did last year.

I'm inclined to think a lot of last year was about Green-Ellis. Bernard averaged 4.2ypc. Even that's probably about .4ypc than you'd like it to be, so the Oline certainly deserves the blame, but I think BJGE is the bigger culprit.

JBandJoeyV
07-28-2014, 01:18 PM
I'm inclined to think a lot of last year was about Green-Ellis. Bernard averaged 4.2ypc. Even that's probably about .4ypc than you'd like it to be, so the Oline certainly deserves the blame, but I think BJGE is the bigger culprit.

Gio made a lot from nothing on some of his runs though. The oline hasn't been great at run blocking in years. Hopefully hue can find a way to change that.

Bengals1181
07-28-2014, 01:21 PM
Gio made a lot from nothing on some of his runs though. The oline hasn't been great at run blocking in years. Hopefully hue can find a way to change that.

I'll give you that. Gio saved a number of plays.

Bengals1181
07-29-2014, 03:52 PM
Gio Bernard among USA Today's 5 ready to shoulder load

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David Clark, dclark2@cincinna.gannett.com2:32 p.m. EDT July 29, 2014
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The Bengals' Giovani Bernard is among five NFL running backs ready for more substantial roles in 2014, according to USA Today's Michael Middlehurst-Schwartz (http://q.usatoday.com/2014/07/29/5-underused-running-backs-ready-to-shoulder-the-load/).
More from Middlehurst-Schwartz on Bernard:


Bernard established himself as a dynamic threat in his rookie year with a Bengals team already loaded with offensive options. Hue Jackson's ascension to offensive coordinator all but assures a strong running game for Cincinnati in 2014. And he'll have plenty of ways to utilize Bernard, who's adept at working in open space.

The real threat to Bernard's workload will be rookie Jeremy Hill. Jackson emphasizes the power run game, and Hill has the style to earn significant carries in his first year. But running backs coach Kyle Caskey told ESPN that Bernard could earn 260-300 total touches, even if that means an increased workload in the passing game.


Last week, Bill Koch wrote about how Bernard begins camp this summer a lot more sure (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2014/07/25/cincinnati-bengals-giovani-bernard/13195083/) of himself than he was as a rookie a year ago out of North Carolina.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/blogs/2014/07/29/bengals-giovani-bernard-among-usa-today-ready-to-shoulder-load/13321953/ (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/blogs/2014/07/29/bengals-giovani-bernard-among-usa-today-ready-to-shoulder-load/13321953/)

whodeyjc
07-30-2014, 10:10 AM
Man. I can't wait to watch me some Gio. I usually don't go after Bengal players in FF since their value skyrockets in leagues with other Bengal fans, but this cat is by far my favorite player in the game. So fun to watch. Hope Hill brings the same excitement.

Bengals1181
07-30-2014, 10:13 AM
we know Gio's a stud. I'm looking forward to Hill and Burkhead.

And I'm intrigued by Wilder, but expect him more as a PS guy.

Bengals1181
07-31-2014, 10:35 AM
Bengals rookie Hill building on blocks


Maybe the Cincinnati Bengals don't have to teach Jeremy Hill a lot about running the football, but he does need to learn a few things when it comes to blocking.

The rookie running back wasn't called upon to do much work in pass protection while at LSU, so the assignments and technique are part of his NFL indoctrination.

"We know he can run the ball; we just need to get him more aggressive in his pass protection and really go attack guys,” running backs coach Kyle Caskey told the Cincinnati Enquirer (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2014/07/27/bengals-jeremy-hill-surprises-blocking-drill/13250045/). "… At LSU, they do a lot of play action, so they don't do the actual drop-backs a lot of times.”

Hill showed he has been absorbing the lessons on Sunday, when he handled pass-rushing linebacker Vincent Rey during a drill that substituted for the canceled Oklahoma drill (http://www.csnbaltimore.com/blog/ravens-talk/marvin-lewis-calls-bengals-visit-oklahoma).

"It was good to get a pop on those guys and get your feet underneath you," said Hill, 6 feet 1, 238 pounds. "I just have to break those bad habits of doing the things I did in college and do them the Cincinnati Bengals way … getting up on those guys quick and not letting them get underneath you and stopping their momentum."

The lessons will continue throughout the preseason, because the Bengals want to be able to make good use of their second-round draft pick, who averaged nearly 7 yards a carry last season for LSU.

"We just have to keep on him about it, because he's a runner,” Caskey said. “That's what he is in his mind, but now we just have to get to the point he's the complete package."

Maybe the Cincinnati Bengals don't have to teach Jeremy Hill a lot about running the football, but he does need to learn a few things when it comes to blocking.

The rookie running back wasn't called upon to do much work in pass protection while at LSU, so the assignments and technique are part of his NFL indoctrination.

"We know he can run the ball; we just need to get him more aggressive in his pass protection and really go attack guys,” running backs coach Kyle Caskey told the Cincinnati Enquirer (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2014/07/27/bengals-jeremy-hill-surprises-blocking-drill/13250045/). "… At LSU, they do a lot of play action, so they don't do the actual drop-backs a lot of times.”

Hill showed he has been absorbing the lessons on Sunday, when he handled pass-rushing linebacker Vincent Rey during a drill that substituted for the canceled Oklahoma drill (http://www.csnbaltimore.com/blog/ravens-talk/marvin-lewis-calls-bengals-visit-oklahoma).

"It was good to get a pop on those guys and get your feet underneath you," said Hill, 6 feet 1, 238 pounds. "I just have to break those bad habits of doing the things I did in college and do them the Cincinnati Bengals way … getting up on those guys quick and not letting them get underneath you and stopping their momentum."

The lessons will continue throughout the preseason, because the Bengals want to be able to make good use of their second-round draft pick, who averaged nearly 7 yards a carry last season for LSU.

"We just have to keep on him about it, because he's a runner,” Caskey said. “That's what he is in his mind, but now we just have to get to the point he's the complete package."

Bengals1181
07-31-2014, 11:21 AM
Hue Jackson can't stop gushing about Gio Bernard
by Larry Hartstein | CBSSports.com

New Bengals (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/410) offensive coordinator Hue Jackson continues to describe running back
Giovani Bernard (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1737248) in glowing terms. "He’s had an outstanding camp," Jackson told CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora. "He’s so explosive, he can catch the ball, he’s a tough son of a gun. He protects. He blocks."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/CIN/cincinnati-bengals

Bengals1181
08-03-2014, 11:19 AM
this article was posted a month or so ago, but for those of you who missed it:


Cincy Jungle ‏@CincyJungle (https://twitter.com/CincyJungle) 37m (https://twitter.com/CincyJungle/status/495927231676710913)
Film Room: Why James Wilder Can make the Final #Bengals (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bengals?src=hash) 53-Man Roster http://sbnation.com/e/5696026 (http://t.co/q4kgbZq8ZB)

Bengals1181
08-03-2014, 07:03 PM
Gio Bernard looks strong on the goal lineGio Bernard was one of the stars of Friday night's Bengals practice, including a 1-yard touchdown where he bulled his way into the end zone.
The 5-9, 208-pound halfback displayed his familiar shake early on, as he broke some long runs. Near the end of practice, Bernard also showed his power as he charged in to score. It was as plausibly "live" as could be, with tackling allowed.
"Goal line is just all about determination, who wants it more," Bernard said.
The touchdown came harder than it sometimes might, with regular tackles Andrew Whitworth (calf) and Andre Smith (concussion) sidelined. Marshall Newhouse and Will Svitek, both NFL veterans, filled in for Whitworth at left and right tackle, respectively.
"It might be like that, you never know," offensive coordinator Hue Jackson said. "Whoever's out there we're going to coach them. There's no excuses. Whoever's playing right tackle, left tackle, guard, it doesn't matter, they've got to get it done. That's pro football."

Bernard shows glimpses of rookie year in camp (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2014/08/01/cincinnati-bengals-training-camp/13494293/)
It took second-year veteran Bernard a couple of tries to score, as he became entangled with tight end Tyler Eifert on his first try. But Bernard was not alone in his battles, as rookie No. 2 draftee Jeremy Hill also was stuffed near the goal line on his one try.
Hill, a bruiser at 6-1 and 238 pounds, expects to score more often than not in such short-yardage situations.
"We've got to pull through a little stronger and score on more of those attempts at the goal line," Hill said."
BALL SECURITY: Hill also fumbled earlier in practice, with backup Jason Campbell at quarterback.
"It was me, on the quarterback-running back exchange," Hill said. "Just not squeezing it tight and it popped out. No one stripped it out or anything. That's all on me. I've got to keep moving forward and getting better."
Jackson spoke to Hill about the fumble.
"It was unfortunate, but he's got to grow," Jackson said. "You can't turn the ball over. Don't turn the ball over and we'll be tough to beat. Young running back put the ball on the ground, you can't do that."
Jackson also was asked about Hill getting stopped at the goal line, as someone mentioned that goal-line power was Hill's thing.
"That's everybody's thing, it's not just his," Jackson said. "Who's ever back there carrying the ball, that's their thing. That's what they're supposed to do."
GIO'S WORLD: Bernard did his part as a rookie in 2013, with 695 yards rushing (five TDs) and 514 yards receiving (three TDs). Bernard should see the ball even more this year, as potentially the Bengals' most prolific rusher/receiver since James Brooks (1984-91).
"We have some good guys back there, but he's a terrific football player," Jackson said. "He's just got the passion, the desire. He wants it. Not that the other guys don't, but he wants to go get it. We'll give him a chance to do that."
HANG IN THERE: Jackson, on the physical nature of training camp:
"I thank coach (Marvin) Lewis for that. I think it needed to be. You need to have days like this when everything doesn't go right. You need to have days when things do go right, because you are building confidence and you are building mental toughness at the same time."

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2014/08/01/cincinnati-bengals-gio-bernard/13494937/

Bengals1181
08-04-2014, 11:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYN6BNmxOfQ

JBandJoeyV
08-04-2014, 11:44 PM
Im so pumped for this offense.

Bengals1181
08-06-2014, 10:25 AM
TWITTER QUESTION OF THE DAY
I'm hoping to answer a ton of questions sometime during my travel today, so if you have some shoot them to me on Twitter and I'll start rattling off answers. Think of it as an AMA. I imagine most will be Bengals related, but shoot me anything you are curious about.

@pauldehnerjr (https://twitter.com/pauldehnerjr) Who is your prediction to be behind Gio on RB depth chart at the end of TC, in order?
— Jordan5L (@Jordan5L) August 6, 2014 (https://twitter.com/Jordan5L/statuses/496832467438161920)

Thanks for the question, Jordan.
The running back room hasn't quite shaken out yet. It's hard to make definitive judgements until you see these guys in games. That said, here's my thought on how it goes.
1. Gio, 2. Jeremy Hill, 3. Rex Burkhead, 4. Cedric Peerman, 5. BenJarvus Green-Ellis
Where this gets tricky is if the Bengals keep a true fullback. They could cut Orson Charles and go with impressive CFA TE/H-Back Ryan Hewitt, who has been running with the ones. If he's the third tight end, BJGE could stay. If they believe in Charles, it probably boots Green-Ellis. Peerman is too valuable on special teams and coaches have loved Burkhead. All the pieces of the bigger puzzle have to fit together before you judge who stays and goes at a single position.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/blogs/2014/08/06/walkthrough-86-off-to-kc-edition/13661831/

Bengals1181
08-14-2014, 11:48 PM
Projecting The Workload Split Of Gio Bernard & Jeremy Hill

By Brennen Warner (http://www.sbnation.com/users/Brennen%20Warner)  @JustBeWarned (http://twitter.com/JustBeWarned) on Aug 14 2014, 10:03p 1 (http://www.cincyjungle.com/2014/8/14/6000579/projecting-the-workload-split-of-gio-bernard-jeremy-hill#comments)

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Gio Bernard and Jeremy Hill were the first and second running backs taken in their drafts respectively. Clearly, the Bengals expect these two players to be a thunder and lightning duo in Cincinnati for a long time.

To project exactly how they'll split snaps, first, we need to take a look at the running backs' numbers from last year.




Rush ATT
Rush YDS
Rush AVG
TOTAL Snaps
PASS Snaps
Catches
Rec YDS
TDs


BJGE
220
756
3.4
472
154
4
22
7


Gio
170
695
4.1
627
315
56
514
8



Although Bernard had about 150 more snaps than Green-Ellis, he had 50 fewer carries. It's quite clear from this chart that Gio Bernard was the 'passing down' back in Jay Gruden's offense. Green-Ellis only caught the ball four times, while Gio caught three touchdowns.



Additionally, I've provided a graph of the 2013 running back snap percentage, which fluctuated greatly throughout the year.
http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4898642/Screen_shot_2014-08-14_at_3.29.07_PM_medium.png (http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4898642/Screen_shot_2014-08-14_at_3.29.07_PM.png)

First, notice that Bernard got less than 40% of the total snaps in the first two weeks of the year. This was because Bernard struggled with pass protection in the preseason, and they wanted to ease the rookie into the lineup.

Second, there are four big spikes in Bernard's snap percentage graph. These came in game 4 (loss at CLE), game 10 (loss at BAL), game 14 (loss at PIT), and game 17 (wildcard loss vs SD). Jay Gruden chose to abandon the run in these games, when the Bengals (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/cincinnati-bengals) were playing from behind. The rushing-to-passing ratios for these four games are as follows: 20-42, 31-51, 22-44, 25-51.

Outside of these six outlier games, Gio Bernard averaged about 52% of the teams snaps at running back.
So, overall, it was close to a 50-50 split between Green-Ellis and Bernard. Green-Ellis was used more in short yardage situations, at the goal line, and at the end of the game (when the defense knew the offense was running it).

The big question is, will Jeremy Hill (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/245424/jeremy-hill) take over all of these roles? Before we answer that, we need to look at what the team plans to do with the starter Gio Bernard.

Gio Bernard will be featured heavily in the offense this year, as opposed to being a second thought when the ball was handed off last year. The Bengals, according to running backs coach Kyle Caskey, plan on "expanding his portfolio of plays (http://espn.go.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/9445/bengals-giovani-bernard-touches-quick-thoughts?ex_cid=espnapi_public)... to get the ball in Gio's hands in space". I found the following quote to be very interesting:


You don't necessarily have to hand it off and say, 'Hey, Gio got 260 touches [He actually had 226] last year out of the backfield.' Maybe he gets 260 to 300 touches but he gets them some other way," Caskey said. "Maybe he gets 200 out of the backfield but he catches 100 passes or however it is. We'll find a way to get the ball to him"



Last year, Bernard caught 56 passes from 69 targets. No one is taking the passing down role from him. I anticipate him catching at least 70-80 balls this year, if not more. Bernard has motioned out wide during training camp practices quite a bit. While throwing to the running back was more of an afterthought in Jay Gruden's offense, I think Hue Jackson will ensure that throws to Bernard are in Dalton's first few reads.
Now, let's look at what Bengals.com's Geoff Hobson said last month (http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Hobsons-Choice-heir-apparent-and-airing-it-out/6fd8cfd9-c42b-45ef-a5d0-51301ad20833)about the split between Bernard and Hill:
Jackson isn’t going to advertise it, but you could almost see it close to an even split. Giovani Bernard (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/193381/giovani-bernard) is the starter, so add about 60 more carries to his 170 from last season. That gives him 230 for the year, about 14 carries a game, and I’m not sure they want to run him even that much. At 5-9, 205 pounds, they want to protect him as well as use him in the passing game.



Hobson gives an important number here - 230 carries for Gio Bernard. Since Bernard will get more first down carries carries and almost all of passing down reps, I think that's a fair number. Hobson also mentions that the Bengals want to protect Bernard from injury. He did have a bit of an injury history at UNC, which is why having a second running back to spell his carries is so important.

So, if the Bengals carried the ball 400 times last year, how many times will they run it in 2014? Since they intend to run the ball more and have an uptempo offense, Geoff Hobson says 460 carries. He thinks the remaining 230 carries will go to Hill and the other backs.

At this point in time, we still don't know if Green-Ellis will make the team or not. It would be very Bengals-esque to keep Green-Ellis and let him play out the last year of his contract. On the other hand, both Rex Burkhead (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/193885/rex-burkhead) and Cedric Peerman (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71392/cedric-peerman) also deserve to make this team. They have more value in the passing game, on special teams, and maybe even as pure runners when compared to Green-Ellis. It makes a lot more sense to release Green-Ellis and use the cap space to help re-sign A.J. Green and Vontaze Burfict (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/155361/vontaze-burfict).

Regardless, if Green-Ellis makes the team, his carries will only eat into Hill's carries, not Bernard's.

If Green-Ellis doesn't make the team, Hill is a good bet to get around 175-225 carries because this team really wants to run the ball. I think he starts the season slowly, because he's still had some issues in pass protection (as Bernard did last year). By the the middle of the year, he'll have taken Green-Ellis' 2013 role completely: short yardage, goal line, and end-of-game usage.

Lastly, there's the issue of goal line work. Bernard was used on outside runs at the goal line last year and had some between the tackles runs there as well. Hill will take a few touchdowns here, but Bernard won't be completely absent at the goal line. Yesterday, the Enquirer's Paul Dehner Jr. had this to say about Gio Bernard's usage (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/blogs/2014/08/13/walkthrough-813-bengals-fantasy-football-look/13992211/):


I think he gets 300 touches by the end of the year and takes a good share of goal line carries.



To me, Bernard will be one of the most productive backs in the league. Not many running backs in the league are flirting with 300 touches. I think he finishes with 220 carries, 950 yards, 75 catches, 650 receiving yards, and 10 total touchdowns. In fantasy terms, Bernard would have finished 6th in standard scoring and 4th in point-per-reception (PPR) leagues among running backs last year.

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2014/8/14/6000579/projecting-the-workload-split-of-gio-bernard-jeremy-hill

dex
08-17-2014, 12:00 PM
If Hobson turns out to be right about Rex Burkhead having an MCL injury that might keep him sidelined for 6-8 weeks, then what do the Bengals do at the RB position. If the team doesn't suffer a significant but not season-ending injury to a more significant player before the end of preseason, then it's possible the Bengals could use the IRR designation for Burkhead. That might create a spot for BJGE, but I assume that means the team has to pick up his $2.5 mil contract for the whole season. If Burkhead's injury had occurred to Bernard or Hill, I could see them doing that. But would they still want to pay that kind of money to a third-string RB who doesn't offer much on special teams? Ironically the injury to Burkhead only strengthens Peerman's position with the team, since those are the two players trained for the all-important STs role. But even if the team keeps both Peerman and BJGE with Bernard/Hill, it's not like the team can suddenly make all 4 RBs active on Sundays. If Peerman was active on game days, would you pay all that money to BJGE to only be an inactive?

Is it possible they could only carry Bernard/Hill/Peerman until Burkhead is ready to rejoin the roster? You could have Wilder on the practice squad ready to be brought up in case another RB went down. It's also possible that BJGE could still be on the street ready to return at a reduced cost if either Bernard/Hill went down. I don't think it's necessary to carry a 5th RB until Burkhead recovers, since only 3 figure to be active on game days anyway.

Bengals1181
08-17-2014, 12:10 PM
You ir Burkhead and keep Benny. Love Burkhead, but you don't hold a spot for an injured 3rd stringer.

whodeyjc
08-17-2014, 12:20 PM
Anyone that caught the game how did Hill look? I know he had a nice catch and went up the sideline and made someone miss. Looks like he carried the ball pretty efficiently?

dex
08-17-2014, 12:27 PM
You ir Burkhead and keep Benny. Love Burkhead, but you don't hold a spot for an injured 3rd stringer.

But if the team doesn't have an injury to a more important player, why wouldn't you just IRR Burkhead? Sounds like MJones injury isn't severe enough to use the IRR on. Why just waste it? It's not you can just pay it forward to next season or anything. You only get one IRR per season, and if I understand the rule right you can't use it at all once the regular season starts.

Zins30
08-17-2014, 12:57 PM
But if the team doesn't have an injury to a more important player, why wouldn't you just IRR Burkhead? Sounds like MJones injury isn't severe enough to use the IRR on. Why just waste it? It's not you can just pay it forward to next season or anything. You only get one IRR per season, and if I understand the rule right you can't use it at all once the regular season starts.

I believe that you can use it during the regular season - the player needs to be out 8 weeks though. So if we have an injury in game 3 they wouldn't come back until game 11 (I think you include the bye week - it's not 8 games). I'm pretty sure that's the case, especially since the player is first put on the normal 53-man roster anyway, and then moved to IRR after that.

whodeyjc
08-17-2014, 01:36 PM
I believe you are right. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I do believe Randall Cobb was used on the IRR during the season and came back towards the end of the season.

I was pretty upset we used it on Hawkins last year instead of saving it for in-season but not sure it would have made a difference.

Oldcat
08-17-2014, 02:00 PM
I believe you are right. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I do believe Randall Cobb was used on the IRR during the season and came back towards the end of the season.

I was pretty upset we used it on Hawkins last year instead of saving it for in-season but not sure it would have made a difference.

Atkins and Hall were the big injuries and 8 weeks wasn't going to help them out.

mongo
08-17-2014, 02:30 PM
Geathers might have been the only one who that could have helped.

Squirrlnutz
08-17-2014, 04:21 PM
I would not IRR Rex, it would be unfortunate but 6-8 week injury for him means the IR list.

It would be an advantage to have the IRR spot open through the first few weeks.

dex
08-17-2014, 05:08 PM
Brennen Warner ‏@JustBeWarned 2h
Terrible news about Rex Burkhead's knee. Hobson speculated 6-8 week recovery time. Candidate for IR return but that doesn't help final cuts

Zins30
08-17-2014, 05:35 PM
Brennen Warner ‏@JustBeWarned 2h
Terrible news about Rex Burkhead's knee. Hobson speculated 6-8 week recovery time. Candidate for IR return but that doesn't help final cuts

I saw that tweet so I searched Hobson, Coley and general sports tweets and haven't seen anything official. It's likely true and we'll hear something tomorrow, but as of now I can't find anything.

Squirrlnutz
08-17-2014, 05:50 PM
Brennen Warner ‏@JustBeWarned 2h
Terrible news about Rex Burkhead's knee. Hobson speculated 6-8 week recovery time. Candidate for IR return but that doesn't help final cuts


Ugh. The rb preseason injury hex. I bet this is how BJGE makes the team.

dex
08-17-2014, 06:14 PM
Ugh. The rb preseason injury hex. I bet this is how BJGE makes the team.

Not sure of that myself since the knee injury wasn't to Bernard or Hill. It was very possible, maybe even probable, that Burkhead would have been the inactive RB in 2014 as he was for all of 2013. As long as Bernard/Hill/Peerman remain in good health, they could still keep Burkhead on the 53 man roster but inactive until he recovers. That would likely require having Wilder on the practice squad to be brought up if the injury situation to the top 3 guys changes. You might also be able to get BJGE in off the street at a more reasonable contract, assuming he hasn't been picked up by another team. Look all around the league, and tell me where there is a 3rd or 4th string RB(possibly inactive on game days) making 2.5 to 3 mil a year. I doubt you find that situation anywhere in the NFL.

mongo
08-17-2014, 07:06 PM
So it'll be Gio, Hill, BJGE, and Peerman?

dex
08-17-2014, 07:36 PM
So it'll be Gio, Hill, BJGE, and Peerman?

Not unless BJGE can take over Peerman's special teams roles. Otherwise it will be Bernard/Hill/Peerman(active) and fill in the blank(inactive.)

Bengals1181
08-17-2014, 08:07 PM
But if the team doesn't have an injury to a more important player, why wouldn't you just IRR Burkhead? Sounds like MJones injury isn't severe enough to use the IRR on. Why just waste it? It's not you can just pay it forward to next season or anything. You only get one IRR per season, and if I understand the rule right you can't use it at all once the regular season starts.


Yes but could use it as late as say week 6 (longer if u want them for playoffs). I'd save it.

Oldcat
08-18-2014, 12:51 PM
Not sure of that myself since the knee injury wasn't to Bernard or Hill. It was very possible, maybe even probable, that Burkhead would have been the inactive RB in 2014 as he was for all of 2013. As long as Bernard/Hill/Peerman remain in good health, they could still keep Burkhead on the 53 man roster but inactive until he recovers. That would likely require having Wilder on the practice squad to be brought up if the injury situation to the top 3 guys changes. You might also be able to get BJGE in off the street at a more reasonable contract, assuming he hasn't been picked up by another team. Look all around the league, and tell me where there is a 3rd or 4th string RB(possibly inactive on game days) making 2.5 to 3 mil a year. I doubt you find that situation anywhere in the NFL.

Even before the injury, they seemed to me to be far more serious about keeping BJGE than most seemed to credit. As to the money, the team has considered that money spent as long as BJGE has a role to play. They won't hurt the team for that.

dex
08-18-2014, 01:08 PM
Even before the injury, they seemed to me to be far more serious about keeping BJGE than most seemed to credit. As to the money, the team has considered that money spent as long as BJGE has a role to play. They won't hurt the team for that.

But does he have a role to play even after the injury to Burkhead? WE don't even if Burkhead would have been active on game days if everyone else was healthy. If the injury had been to either Bernard or to Hill, the 2 guys figuring to get 90 percent of the carries, then I would agree. And even with Burkhead getting no carries and Hill getting very few before getting injured, BJGE still only got 3 carries in the game. That might not mean anything, but then again it could be an indicator.

I am certainly not a BJGE hater, btw. He has great character, and does everything on the field at a 100 percent. He is clearly very popular with teammates and coaches. But if the Bengals weren't looking to move on, they wouldn't have targeted a big back in the second round to pair with Bernard. They could have waited another year to do that.