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Bengals1181
07-09-2014, 09:18 PM
Five live roster jousts

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Geoff HobsonEditorBengals.com
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Orson Charles (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/orson-charles/9b5e2649-bf72-4025-9e92-f9ed1659c3d9/) figures to be at the center of one of training camp's best roster battles.
As the fate of the free world apparently rests on the blessing of LeBron James, the Bengals have to wait two weeks to take their talents to Paul Brown Stadium for the July 24 start of training camp.
There’ll be no discussion of max contracts then. Indeed, the most compelling and competitive roster races are confined to guys making the minimum or pretty close to it.

There’ll be other camp storylines, of course. They primarily revolve around quarterback Andy Dalton (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/andy-dalton/9378c4ed-938c-434c-929d-4d45fe252101/) and how he bounces back from post-season disappointment while also dealing with his contract talks. Also vying for the marquee is new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson’s implementation of his quick-tempo, high-energy scheme and how new defensive coordinator Paul Guenther inherits the NFL’s No. 3 unit from Mike Zimmer.
Along with special teams coordinator Darrin Simmons, they’ll be overseeing some major skirmishes at the edge of a roster that is relatively intact from the one that finished last season as one of only two teams ranked in the top 10 in both NFL offense and defense.
Here is one guy’s list of the top five roster battles, keeping in mind that the Bengals aren’t really cutting to the roster limit of 53. The more relevant number is 46 for the players that can be active on game day.
It comes with a warning label of course. To use the two words Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis dreads most, it is “pure speculation.” But it’s pretty much all we’ve got until Lewis wheels out his depth chart for the first time in the first week of August:
FULLBACK: Orson Charles vs. Nikita Whitlock (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/nikita-whitlock/9d239a72-4fcd-41d2-8c58-821d974eb0a0/)Charles, the incumbent, is a converted tight end heading into his second season as a fullback. Whitlock, an undrafted rookie, is a converted nose tackle coming off a hellacious career at Wake Forest where he bedeviled the ACC with uncanny quickness and tenacity and made first-team all-league despite standing just 5-10 with 250 pounds
Charles has the edge with two seasons of NFL experience, but he only played 67 snaps last year in his new role. He may have good hands, but Whitlock also had people raving during the spring about his surprisingly nimble catches.
If neither guy lights it up when the pads come on, the Bengals could conceivably chase a veteran fullback at the cut down date. But not so fast.
Not only are the coaches anxious to see Whitlock in action, so are his teammates. His exploits in the weight room have hushed them and he spent the spring picking the brains of everyone, including sitting in with the offensive line to get a better idea of his blocking tracks.
THE 53: With the Bengals going with three QBs, they figure to keep only three tight ends, so Charles has to be counted as just a fullback. With Jermaine Gresham (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/jermaine-gresham/66ed6d24-c4c8-45c3-83d8-438594e91723/)’s health a question at this point (although Lewis said he expects him back for camp), they probably have to make sure they’ve got a veteran blocker and Alex Smith (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/alex-smith/bb1bb600-8d3e-4694-bb72-5d1082dc022f/) fits that bill for the second straight year to go with the pass-catching Tyler Eifert (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/tyler-eifert/36fdf348-c00c-44bb-bc76-2833910b8553/).
THE 46: Whoever it is has to be a factor on teams and Simmons can’t wait to get a look at Whitlock in the preseason games. Special teams coaches just love offensive guys that played defense, not to mention that bowling ball, underdog mentality that Whitlock brings every play.
WIDE RECEIVER: Dane Sanzenbacher (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/dane-sanzenbacher/101787b0-d0e6-41bc-943c-f8524246328c/) vs. Cobi Hamilton (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/cobi-hamilton/3cc62aae-44fc-4ba3-b297-07ee403ba34a/) vs. James Wright (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/james-wright/b4fb8263-4fd2-4907-980d-667253c2bccb/) vs. Ryan Whalen (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/ryan-whalen/e84aa0ea-6783-4841-a7a0-9394d3be48cc/).
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Ryan Whalen is looking to get back into the mix.

They’ve got savvy veterans in Sanzenbacher and Whalen, a sixth-rounder from last year who has flashed NFL skills in Hamilton, and a wild card in Wright who was a special teams maven at LSU covering kicks.
Sanzenbacher always seems to do something positive in a reserve role, whether it’s returning a punt for a touchdown last preseason or setting up the winning field goal in Detroit on the last play back in October. Whalen is out of the same mold even though he hasn’t caught a ball since a huge third-down conversion for six yards in the AFC Wild Wild Card Game on Dec. 23, 2012 in Pittsburgh.
THE 53: The big assumption at wide receiver is that returner Brandon Tate (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/brandon-tate/56768822-7e1d-43fb-94da-5c49f43032b5/) is a lock along with the Big Three ofA.J. Green (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/aj-green/d1e7b054-2722-4a10-9dad-687267489bd5/), Marvin Jones (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/marvin-jones/1e8a8414-cc83-4d5e-a61a-9236316539e4/), and Mohamed Sanu (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/mohamed-sanu/2ec826da-ce44-498c-8d77-174bbd664114/), leaving just two slots open.
That could change if first-round pick Darqueze Dennard (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/darqueze-dennard/892e7752-8bcb-4be8-91ec-ae860dbbfceb/) plays well enough at cornerback to free up Adam Jones (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/adam-jones/70893f56-2c88-4a74-93ec-15f2886cca42/)to return kicks on a more regular basis and maybe open up another spot at receiver.THE 46: If Tate is the returner, the fourth receiver is also going to have to play special teams and this is where the 6-1, 201-pound Wright, one of this year’s seventh-rounders, becomes an intriguing figure. He’s coming off a senior season he was named “Wild Tiger,” for having the most production on special teams.
As the special teams captain Wright used his speed to rack up 12 tackles and dig out two fumble recoveries. He also played a very good receiver during the spring and showed the coaches a lot of polish and poise even though he caught just 25 balls during 50 games in Baton Rouge. That’s only because he played behind a first- and second-rounder.
On the other edge is the 6-2, 205-pound Hamilton, who worked on the practice squad last year after leaving Arkansas as the Razorbacks’ all-time leading receiver. During the spring Hamilton displayed some of the skills that allowed him to set an SEC record with 303 receiving yards against Rutgers.
But in a pitched battle against Wright, he’ll have to produce on special teams in the preseason to get those skills on the field. SAFETY: Taylor Mays (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/taylor-mays/2f7a9a69-e958-4e77-9c03-7ae54ecf06af/) vs. Danieal Manning (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/danieal-manning/1cc00203-6b6c-4d51-98ad-ccdc45909415/).
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Taylor Mays heads into his fourth season in Cincinnati.
An intriguing matchup between two versatile veterans coming off injury.
Mays, 26, a fifth-year guy, proved to be a valuable, resourceful player when he moved from safety to nickel linebacker 10 days before last year’s opener and played well before he went down with a season-ending shoulder injury halfway through the year.
Manning, who turns 32 early in his ninth training camp, played in a Super Bowl and started nine playoff games for two different teams before signing with the Bengals as a free agent. Playing for new Bengals cornerbacks coach Vance Joseph in Houston the previous three seasons, Manning broke his leg in last year’s sixth game.
Manning played everywhere for Joseph, including some nickel corner, and is highly regarded for his smarts and professionalism. In the wake of his injury it’s unclear if he can help them as a kickoff returner. Although he has returned just two kicks in the last two years, Manning won the 2008 NFL kick return title by a yard and has a 26.8 career average, two more yards than Tate’s all-time leading mark for the Bengals.
THE 53: The Bengals traditionally keep at least four safeties and six cornerbacks and that’s the way it would appear to break down this year. With the drafting of defensive end Will Clarke (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/will-clarke/3534e752-e953-4af0-bc09-ad5528c9d545/) in the third round, the Bengals figure to keep nine defensive linemen, which usually translate to 10 defensive backs and six linebackers.
THE 46: Reggie Nelson (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/reggie-nelson/ac1267ca-ed4d-4887-ac69-09636c1f60ee/) is entrenched at one safety and they were encouraged by George Iloka (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/george-iloka/5c3a8b35-39c1-4e2c-86e5-0e523ff89dc5/)’s first 16 NFL starts opposite him, but they are looking for more plays from him than his one interception. Shawn Williams (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/shawn-williams/b54424d2-1eec-4cea-b649-9973a8a8347d/), last year’s third-rounder, made an impact on special teams in the second half of the season and looks to have a niche as he defends his teams tackling title. But they’re looking to see if he makes the same kind of improvement at safety this training camp.
Mays or Manning could both stick if they display their versatility this summer. That could free them up to keep five safeties and five corners. And don’t sleep on free-agent rookie safety Isaiah Lewis (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/isaiah-lewis/b210bc8e-9776-4272-9b0b-e82aa825a021/) out of Michigan State, although he’s staring at a huge numbers game.
LINEBACKER: Jayson DiManche (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/jayson-dimanche/dc77f2a3-d0c4-4858-bd30-7d50b64cefbe/) vs. Sean Porter (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/sean-porter/390e17bc-0c71-4e2f-b70e-d51a69a24b04/) vs. J.K. Schaffer (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/jk-schaffer/b82b865c-7ad6-4be5-a285-7d00f97e459b/) vs. Marquis Flowers (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/marquis-flowers/dc5cfb04-2c0d-4dc0-b957-e27c99acf7a6/) vs. Brandon Joiner (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/brandon-joiner/c6170171-b1be-4e1c-8ab4-2c55f7c120d2/).

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Jayson DiManche is looking to build off last year's rookie effort on special teams.
Basically you’ve got two rookie draft picks in the mix since Porter, a fourth-rounder last year, suffered a season-ending shoulder injury in training camp last year. Flowers, this year’s sixth-rounder, joins two undrafted free agents that have beaten the odds in Schaffer and DiManche. Joiner, also undrafted, is also looking to bounce back from a season-ending injury. Schaffer is in his third full year out of the University of Cincinnati while DiManche is looking to follow up his rookie year out of Southern Illinois with more than his 12 special teams tackles, second on the club.
THE 53: Pure spec says it looks like there are two spots available behind starters Vontaze Burfict (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/vontaze-burfict/941b89df-2666-4d9f-810e-9b889ba417eb/),Rey Maualuga (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/rey-maualuga/72e4f750-08d1-4fa5-abee-a5cfebe1389b/), Emmanuel Lamur (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/emmanuel-lamur/b4e6df20-145b-4c3c-b39d-f861da4a807b/) and Super Sub Vincent Rey (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/vincent-rey/5550e7d6-cb13-4ae1-8ae2-bb01fe4a7378/). The next two guys are going to have to be able to play both outside spots. Schaffer can play the middle, as do Maualuga and Burfict.
THE 46: All linebackers pretty much have to dress on game day because of special teams and that’s why you have to keep an eye on the 6-3, 235-pound Flowers. He’s a speedy guy who was all over the desert at Arizona playing every game as a junior and senior with an exhaustive 272 tackles, 27 tackles-for-loss, 7.5 sacks, five picks, five forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and eight passes defensed. He was also athletic enough to be a Class 5-A running back out of his Phoenix high school with more than 1,200 yards and 16 TDs his senior season.


OFFENSIVE LINE: Trevor Robinson (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/trevor-robinson/a20116a2-b109-438e-bea9-f50b947fc1c9/) vs. Trey Hopkins (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/trey-hopkins/25a125d1-7249-40d0-8e54-5216fc7632b9/) vs. Will Svitek (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/will-svitek/7ab1cd76-da5a-4a88-828e-6b16026e0985/) vs. T.J. Johnson (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/tj-johnson/c3e0bebd-ae20-47c8-b63b-9d8488e7ea37/)

Trevor Robinson is looking to regain his rookie form, when he started seven games for a playoff team in 2012.
And that might be for just one spot.
They’ve been extremely impressed with the 6-3, 307 pound Hopkins, an undrafted guard out of Texas, and they’re hopeful that Robinson is back to his 2012 rookie year form at center after he was plagued by last year’s pectoral injury. Johnson, a center picked in the seventh round last year, worked on the practice squad. The 6-6, 310-pound Svitek offers size, versatility, and nine years of experience as a backup, mostly at tackle. But he did play guard for the first time last year in New England.
THE 53: Usually the Bengals keep nine on the offensive line and the numbers always quickly tighten up. After the five starters (tackles Andrew Whitworth (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/andrew-whitworth/3a81696e-e6b3-4abd-8dd0-85e8748fa086/) and Andre Smith (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/andre-smith/5796e85d-6992-4b91-9630-fde615747967/), guards Kevin Zeitler (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/kevin-zeitler/6872c3b8-cf27-4731-bfae-bcae68fb85a8/) and Clint Boling (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/clint-boling/f7ed97f5-f482-4f8d-b799-6e57357a7b43/), centerRussell Bodine (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/russell-bodine/dc234ddd-cb75-4c7c-b788-7b0ce466ac02/)), the first backups loom as guard-center Mike Pollak (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/mike-pollak/5ccfe04c-75cb-424f-a0e2-13e4c451adb3/), tackle-guard Tanner Hawkinson (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/tanner-hawkinson/727ad0aa-670c-4c73-aa82-fd30b01fe755/), and tackle Marshall Newhouse (http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/marshall-newhouse/683be59c-ea9a-4501-a01f-80c1414591fe/). All would seem pretty valuable. Newhouse can back up both sides, Pollak can play both guards, and Hawkinson can play both sides on the left side.
(Boling is coming off an ACL injury but all indications are if he’s not ready the first day of camp he will be shortly.)
THE 46: Usually seven linemen are active on game day and you’d like to make sure you’ve got at least two centers dressed as well as an emergency third. Boling could be that guy in a pinch. Hopkins has impressed by how easily he fits into the pro game, but right now it looks like he can only play guard.
But, like everything else pure speculation, that could all change in the next 59 days. The 60th is the opener in Baltimore.



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dex
07-10-2014, 09:41 AM
I know Hobson takes a lot of heat from Bengals fans for some of his articles and all of his article titles, but i still think his info is more valuable than most of the national media articles we've been getting. I absolutely agree with him that you have to put a lot of weight to who the 46 active guys might be when making 53 man roster predictions, because certainly the front office will be considering that aspect. All that means is that you can go heavier than normal at one position if you choose, if you consider that last guy to have more overall value. For instance, the Bengals have carried 7 WRs often over the last couple of years, but only 5 of them were active in any given week. If a starter/key reserve has to be put on IR before the start of the regular season, the Bengals may not choose to replace him with a player at the same position.

But even Hobson has issues with his own position battle scenarios. For instance, he obviously has 25 players projected for each side of the ball, but that doesn't stop him from trying to add a 26th player on offense that wouldn't fit with his projections. He is projecting 3 QBs/6 WRs/9 OL here so that will 18 slots. He doesn't have any roster battles at RB, but in the past he has indicated the usual 4 there. So then how could the Bengals keep 3 TEs(Gresham/Eifert/Alex Smith) and then have a position battle at FB with Charles and Whitlock? There is no room without re-configuring some other position.

Here is what we don't know about Hue Jackson. If you put Bernard/Green/MJones as your core skill position lineup, then how does Jackson work in the other guys? Will he run as many 2 TE sets as Gruden did? We've heard him talk about playing Bernard/Hill together some, but how often? And if Hill isn't on the field alongside Bernard, how often would a true FB be in the backfield instead? How many times will there be 3 true WRs(Green/MJones/Sanu) on the field? How often will there be 4 true WR sets with the big three plus Sanzanbarger or Tate or Hamilton?

Seems like to me that it's impossible to know how the offensive roster might look position-wise without knowing the answers to these questions. If the team is going to favor a lot of 3 and 4 WR sets, then you probably need a 6th WR on the roster. If Jackson prefers the 2 TE formations to 3 WR sets. then maybe you need the extra TE guys. If there are going to be two backs in the backfield a lot, then you need 4 RBs and 1 FB(Peko wouldn't count.) But I'm beginning the team will only carry only 2 of the TE/FB types behind Gresham/Eifert. So only 2 of Alex Smith/Charles/Hewitt/Whitlock. The only way you could 3 of 4 would be to go with only 5 WRs on the active roster. Maybe that's an option if Jackson is really going with a physical running game philosophy and isn't concerned with stretching out the field laterally.

Hobson keeps talking about how Hamilton might have to improve on STs to make the roster, but it's far less important if he would be inactive on Sundays unless 1 of the big three WRs were unable to play at all. Whitlock is a very interesting player. I've already heard Simmons raving about his special teams potential. But if a true FB with special teams value is on the roster, then you have to have him active on Sundays. Otherwise there's no point in carrying someone like that.

whodeyjc
07-10-2014, 10:12 AM
I think Whalen can pretty much kiss his spot goodbye unless there is an injury. Wright is going to be taking over Hawkins spot as a gunner, I would assume, especially if Dre K. ends up playing significant snaps. I think they run with 2 QB's (McCarron goes to IR) and those three WR's make the team. Cobi inactive on game-day since he doesn't (as of yet) play ST's.

I think the safety battle will be the most intriguing. I'm rooting hard for Isaiah, but he is facing some tough numbers unless they keep 6 safeties and Mays as a swing guy. I imagine Isaiah ends up on PS unless there is an injury. Not too impressed with the 5th LB'er battle. Lets hope we stay healthy there.

The two guys I think are most on the roster bubble right now are Dontay Moch and Orson Charles.

happyrid
07-10-2014, 01:46 PM
I think Whalen can pretty much kiss his spot goodbye unless there is an injury. Wright is going to be taking over Hawkins spot as a gunner, I would assume, especially if Dre K. ends up playing significant snaps. I think they run with 2 QB's (McCarron goes to IR) and those three WR's make the team. Cobi inactive on game-day since he doesn't (as of yet) play ST's.

I think the safety battle will be the most intriguing. I'm rooting hard for Isaiah, but he is facing some tough numbers unless they keep 6 safeties and Mays as a swing guy. I imagine Isaiah ends up on PS unless there is an injury. Not too impressed with the 5th LB'er battle. Lets hope we stay healthy there.

The two guys I think are most on the roster bubble right now are Dontay Moch and Orson Charles.

I was with you until the final sentence. I don't see Moch as anywhere near the roster bubble. He is more of a camp body at this point than a guy with a good shot to make the roster. He's moved to DE full-time. I would be shocked if he beat out any of the 5 DEs ahead of him, barring injury.

Also think that they will probably try to keep McCarron on the 53 unless he bombs in the preseason. Wouldn't be shocked if they go with 3 RBs instead of the usual 4 to make room for the 3rd QB while also keeping a guy like Whitlock. Peerman is a very good special teamer, but he could be the guy who ends up competing with Wright since both are basically ST only at this point. Maybe only 1 of those 2 makes it and they go with either 3 RBs or 5 WRs.

dex
07-10-2014, 02:58 PM
Also think that they will probably try to keep McCarron on the 53 unless he bombs in the preseason. Wouldn't be shocked if they go with 3 RBs instead of the usual 4 to make room for the 3rd QB while also keeping a guy like Whitlock. Peerman is a very good special teamer, but he could be the guy who ends up competing with Wright since both are basically ST only at this point. Maybe only 1 of those 2 makes it and they go with either 3 RBs or 5 WRs.

Cannot even imagine the Bengals only going with 3 RBs. Not if they are serious about running the ball and sometimes playing Bernard/Hill together. Plus RBs are always getting banged up. 5 WRs I could definitely see, if Hue Jackson isn't going to play many 4 WR sets. Wright has a great reputation for special teams, but it's very different than the ST roles that both Perrman/Birkhead have trained to play. Not all ST roles are interchangeable. The only way I see Wright on the roster and helping immediately on STs is if he could take a slot away from Sanzanbacher or Tate. That would require Hamilton being dynamic enough to take over Sanzanbacher as the 4th WR or someone like AJones or MJones taking return duties away from Tate.

Also, I realize that I made the mistake I accuse others of in my post above. If the team keeps 25 offensive players including 6 WRs, that would mean only 1 of Charles/Alex Smith/Whitlock/Hewitt could make the team. This assumes the common 4 RBs/9 OL breakdown plus McCarron. The roster room is incredibly tight.

Bengals1181
07-10-2014, 03:52 PM
I can't see them going only 3 RB's.

There's gonna be a lot of good battles, particularly RB and WR. And LB.

I think Moch has a shot if he has a great camp. I know they like Geathers, but I could see Moch or Montgomery bumping him if they have huge preseasons.

Hobson's stuff is great if you learn to read between the lines. He never comes right out and spills stuff, but he drops tons of hints.

whodeyjc
07-10-2014, 04:30 PM
I could see Moch beating out Geathers if Hunt is ready to play against the run. With his size, he should be. They desperately need a speed rusher at end for third and long situations. Could also give us some more cap to sign our impending free agents.

Squirrlnutz
07-11-2014, 12:51 PM
I could see Moch beating out Geathers if Hunt is ready to play against the run. With his size, he should be. They desperately need a speed rusher at end for third and long situations. Could also give us some more cap to sign our impending free agents.

I'm not sure about that. While I agree that it would be nice to have a speed rusher off the bench for those spots, it just doesn't seem like Lewis' MO. Geathers can play both end spots and slide inside while being the arguably the best and in-arguably the most consistent run stopper of all the DE's on the roster. He's only 30 and has 10 years of experience. If Hunt explodes and looks like an All-Pro while Clarke proves reliable enough, maaaaaaaybe they'll take a chance on a one trick pony like Moch. But short of that I think Geathers plays out his contract and I have no problem with a do-your-job vet like that on the roster.

Oldcat
07-11-2014, 01:39 PM
I'm not sure about that. While I agree that it would be nice to have a speed rusher off the bench for those spots, it just doesn't seem like Lewis' MO. Geathers can play both end spots and slide inside while being the arguably the best and in-arguably the most consistent run stopper of all the DE's on the roster. He's only 30 and has 10 years of experience. If Hunt explodes and looks like an All-Pro while Clarke proves reliable enough, maaaaaaaybe they'll take a chance on a one trick pony like Moch. But short of that I think Geathers plays out his contract and I have no problem with a do-your-job vet like that on the roster.

Even if Hunt looks better than Geathers, Geathers still gives you injury insurance for Hunt, or the other spots. Unless he is unable to play, he seems a natural to play out his deal which we all know MB likes to do.

Bengals1181
07-11-2014, 02:18 PM
Geathers certainly has the veteran edge, but I just sense something different this year. The cutting of cook, of Harrison, I could see Geathers out if Moch or Montgomery show that they are "must keeps"

dex
07-11-2014, 02:52 PM
I wonder how much the new coordinators had to do with both Cook and Harrison getting cut before training camp. I get the feeling that Jackson believes Cook was being dominated by the big 3-4 nose tackles in the division. We know that Zimmer was very instrumental in getting Harrison to Cincinnati, but Guenther is Lamur's biggest cheerleader. He definitely seemed eager to clear the pathway for Lamur to take over as a three-down LB. But what if Zimmer was still still the DC? Would Harrison be heading to training camp in a couple of weeks?

Bengals1181
07-11-2014, 02:54 PM
I wonder how much the new coordinators had to do with both Cook and Harrison getting cut before training camp. I get the feeling that Jackson believes Cook was being dominated by the big 3-4 nose tackles in the division. We know that Zimmer was very instrumental in getting Harrison to Cincinnati, but Guenther is Lamur's biggest cheerleader. He definitely seemed eager to clear the pathway for Lamur to take over as a three-down LB. But what if Zimmer was still still the DC? Would Harrison be heading to training camp in a couple of weeks?


well I think Cook's cut was more injury based than performance, but even still like Cook said himself he was surprised they didn't give him a chance to recover. Earlier in his career Cook actually matched up with Hampton and Ngata pretty well.

Harrison was surprising with the timing, maybe they were giving him a chance to catch on somewhere else. It just didn't seem like a typical Bengals move timing wise.