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Lambeau3132
10-13-2010, 09:25 AM
To all Green Bay Packer fans – take heart. The season isn’t over yet - although with all the injuries, poor coaching, no front office moves or trades and poor special teams, it does look bleak. Let’s consider however what a strange start to the 2010 NFL Season we have witnessed so far. Through the first 5 weeks, here are 10 things to consider and think about:

1 - Five teams with winning records that have allowed more points than they have scored:

Arizona (3-2) 88 points scored, 138 points allowed (+50)

Jacksonville (3-2) 107 points scored, 137 points allowed (+30)

Houston (3-2) 111 points scored, 136 points allowed (+25)

Tampa Bay (3-1) 74 points scored, 80 points allowed

Washington (3-2) 89 points scored, 92 points allowed

2 - The SHAUN HILL led Lions (1-4) have put up more points than any team in the NFC, and that includes the potent Packers (3-2) – Lions 126 points, Eagles 122 points, Packers 119 points

3 - The Chicago Bears, who most “experts” predicted to finish last in the NFC North, received a gift WIN from the refs and the NFL rules against Detroit, got a gift WIN from the Packers with their 18 penalties, won Sunday by 17 points even though their backup QB (T. Collins) was 6 for 16, for 32 yards and 4 INTERCEPTIONS, and yet they are 4-1 and in first place in the NFC North (BEARS STILL SUCK!).

4 - There are no undefeated NFL teams thru the first 5 weeks. And TADA, here are your 1 loss teams in the NFC: Atlanta 4-1, Chicago 4-1 and Tamp Bay 3-1. And HAHA, here are your 1 win and no win teams in the NFC: Dallas 1-3, Minnesota 1-3, 0-5 San Francisco , and 0-5 Carolina . And just think, Dallas , Minnesota and San Francisco were picked by many to win their divisions.

5 - Half of the free world picked the Dallas Cowboys to be the first team in NFL history to play a Super Bowl in their home stadium (JERRY JONES WORLD). They are currently 1-3, at the bottom of their division, and their head coach acts like a big baby most of the time on the sidelines.

6 - The defending Super Bowl champion Saints are 3-2, are in 3rd place in their division behind the Falcons and Buccaneers, have not scored more than 25 points in a game this year after being the highest scoring team in 2009, barely defeated the winless Panthers at home 16-14, and lost Sunday 30-20 to the Arizona Cardinals who were playing with a rookie at QB (Max Hall - who?).

7 - Speaking of the Arizona Cardinals, they were supposed to do nothing this year, they have a QB situation that you would not wish on your worst enemy (other than the Bears or Vikings), they have been outscored in the first 5 games by 50 points, and yet they are 3-2 and in first place in the NFC West.

8 - The Steelers are 3-1 even though they had to play their second and third string QB's in the first 4 games due to Roethlisberger's suspension.

9a - The Peyton Manning led Indianapolis Colts are 3-2, are in last place in their division behind the Texans, Jaguars and Titans because of their 0-2 division record (lost to Jacksonville and Houston) and could only muster 1 rushing TD against the Kansas City Chiefs in Sunday's 19-9 win. The Colts could not score 1 passing TD with Peyton Manning against the Chiefs at home? You have got to be kidding me.

9b - The San Diego Chargers, who were predicted by most to win the AFC West, are 2-3 and in last place in their division behind the Chiefs, Raiders and Broncos because of their 0-2 division record (lost to Kansas City and Oakland), and lost on Sunday to the Raiders, 35-27, for the first time in 13 games.

10 - The Packers started the season without their starting Safety (Bigby), starting CB (Harris), lost their starting RB (Grant) in the second quarter of the first game of the year, lost many defensive players (Barnett, Burnett, Harrell, Jolly, Matthews, Chillar, Zombo), franchise QB received a concussion in game 5 and might miss game 6 against the Dolphins, lost starting TE (Finley) for 3 to 6 weeks and backup TE (Lee) for 2 or more weeks, and yet, through it all, they have lost to the 4-1 Bears 20-17 on a last second FG and to the 3-2 Redskins 16-13 on a FG in overtime.

Strange things have happened the first 5 weeks of the 2010 season, and it seems to be getting stranger by the minute. Favre supposed sex messages and pics; Moss and Brady getting into it in the locker room; Moss traded to the Vikings; TT not pulling the trigger on Lynch - oh wait, that's not strange at all for TT; all of the injuries to the Packers.

I am holding out hope that the Packers can get it done this year – that is make the playoffs as a wildcard. I am not even going to mention the “Super ...”, well, you know what I am talking about. It will be tough sledding for the Packers, but it appears that the NFC is wide open for any team this year - no matter how many injuries, poor coaching, non front office moves or trades, bad special teams play, etc., etc.

Heard this discussion ESPN radio – some are now debating whether the NY Giants are the best team in the NFC? Not Green Bay, not New Orleans, not Dallas, not Minnesota, not Atlanta – the New York Football Giants. Wow – the first 5 weeks of the season have been absolutely crazy!

As Lombardi would say, “What the hell is going on out there?”

bluestree
10-13-2010, 11:19 AM
Good post. It seems like the Pack can't catch a break, but the season is still young. Better to get banged up now than later.

iwatt
10-13-2010, 11:53 AM
3 - The Chicago Bears, who most “experts” predicted to finish last in the NFC North, received a gift WIN from the refs and the NFL rules against Detroit, got a gift WIN from the Packers with their 18 penalties, won Sunday by 17 points even though their backup QB (T. Collins) was 6 for 16, for 32 yards and 4 INTERCEPTIONS, and yet they are 4-1 and in first place in the NFC North (BEARS STILL SUCK!).

We didn't get gifted the Packers game. Holding penalties by the OL were because Peppers is a beast. The return TD was because of your special teams. The PI calls are because your DC blitz way too much, putting way too much pressure on your very good DBs. When Woodson gets a PI, it clearly is because if he didn't do that it would be a TD. Penalties don't happen in a vaccum.

The Lions game we practically gave over to the Lions with turnovers. We should have lost at the last play, I agree. But we didn't

The Packers injuries have been vicious. We can relate, given the state of our O-line this year and the loss of Urlacher last year. Or the Concussion of Cutler against the Giants, which cost us any shot at that game (the fall from Cutler to Collins is ridiculous).

Rodgers not playing is huge for you guys. I've never liked Miami, but I will be rooting for them come Sunday ;)

The best team in The NFC is Atlanta. Their only loss was to the Steelers, in Heinz field, in OT. I don't know how this is even a question. Typical NY media hype, probably.

At the end of the day, you are what your record says.

bluestree
10-13-2010, 12:06 PM
We didn't get gifted the Packers game. Holding penalties by the OL were because Peppers is a beast. The return TD was because of your special teams. The PI calls are because your DC blitz way too much, putting way too much pressure on your very good DBs. When Woodson gets a PI, it clearly is because if he didn't do that it would be a TD. Penalties don't happen in a vacuum.

Agreed. And if you want to crown Atlanta, then crown their a**!

SpartaChris
10-13-2010, 12:09 PM
Are you the same guy from packerforum? I got permission from the author to post this same thing over here.

iwatt
10-13-2010, 12:22 PM
Agreed. And if you want to crown Atlanta, then crown their a**!

:lol

Capers is going to have to play more cover and less Blitz. Henne is good I think. The run game in Miami is legit. The defense is good. Their Special teams are worse than yours.

It all comes down on how good your backup QB is. I'd sit Rodgers, take this loss, give time to your injured players to recover instead of pushing this game. It'll suck for the home crowd, but loose thios one and focus on the next one.

SpartaChris
10-13-2010, 12:22 PM
BTW, an update- Greg Bedard is reporting Finley is out 8-10 weeks, which means we'll likely put him on IR.

http://twitter.com/Greg_A_Bedard/statuses/27253743286

Derrick Martin is out for the season.

iwatt
10-13-2010, 12:25 PM
BTW, an update- Greg Bedard is reporting Finley is out 8-10 weeks, which means we'll likely put him on IR.

http://twitter.com/Greg_A_Bedard/statuses/27253743286

Derrick Martin is out for the season.

-As a football fan, I hate hearing that. He is awesomely difficult to cover and a pleasure to watch.
-As a Bears fan that makes me feel all warm and cuddly about our playoff chances now.

SpartaChris
10-13-2010, 12:59 PM
Well, I'd rather have you represent the North than the Vikings, so more power to ya.

Still a long way to go though. Quarless is largely considered to be a rookie version of Finley, and with any luck, our defense will be getting a shot of antibiotics with the return of Harris and Bigby, though who knows when they'd be game ready.

Jason LaCanfora is saying Finley is telling teammates he's done for the year:

http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/statuses/27258255758

Polishguy00
10-13-2010, 03:05 PM
Just don't let Quarless run into your coach's leg. He is brutal on the knees. Just ask JoePa.

GBPKS
10-14-2010, 10:27 AM
We didn't get gifted the Packers game. Holding penalties by the OL were because Peppers is a beast. The return TD was because of your special teams. The PI calls are because your DC blitz way too much, putting way too much pressure on your very good DBs. When Woodson gets a PI, it clearly is because if he didn't do that it would be a TD. Penalties don't happen in a vaccum.

The Lions game we practically gave over to the Lions with turnovers. We should have lost at the last play, I agree. But we didn't

The Packers injuries have been vicious. We can relate, given the state of our O-line this year and the loss of Urlacher last year. Or the Concussion of Cutler against the Giants, which cost us any shot at that game (the fall from Cutler to Collins is ridiculous).

Rodgers not playing is huge for you guys. I've never liked Miami, but I will be rooting for them come Sunday ;)

The best team in The NFC is Atlanta. Their only loss was to the Steelers, in Heinz field, in OT. I don't know how this is even a question. Typical NY media hype, probably.

At the end of the day, you are what your record says.

The Chicago game wasn't a "gift" per se, but if not for the James Jones fumble (or the fact that it somehow just died there as opposed to every other sideline fumble I've seen this season that bounced out of bounds), the Packers would have won that game.

The Bears have taken advantage of their opportunities this season and deserve to have the record they have. The Packers have not finished, and that is why they are 3-2 and on the outside looking in with respect to the playoffs.

GBPKS
10-14-2010, 10:32 AM
The season isn't "over" by any stretch of the imagination but there is a tough hill to climb.

Miami at home is a game on the schedule that you have to win - but without Rodgers, Finley, Matthews, Pickett, et. al. it will be pretty tough sledding. I still think the Packers are capable of winning this game with Matt Flynn at QB - and I think it might actually have positive influence in terms of forcing Mike McCarthy to commit a little bit more to the run game. The Dolphins don't have a particularly explosive offense so I don't think they're going to blow us off the field. I think it will be another close game that the Packers will have an opportunity to win - hopefully they can take advantage of it.

If we lose this Miami game, there are stormy seas ahead. The next three games are Minnesota, the Jets, and the Cowboys, and we still have difficult road games later on at Minnesota, at Atlanta, at New England.

And we have lost two winnable games against NFC teams that could come back to bite us in terms of tiebreakers. Now, with Chicago, we do get the opportunity at the end of the season to try to get that one back. But the Washington loss could come back to haunt us.

The positives are that the NFC is completely wide open, and last season the Packers sat at 4-4 after a "sky is falling" loss to Tampa Bay and went 7-1 down the stretch. The negatives are that there are a lot of teams in the mix in the NFC, the schedule is pretty difficult, and we've lost some very significant contributors.

iwatt
10-14-2010, 10:52 AM
[QUOTE=GBPKS;25944 The next three games are Minnesota, the Jets, and the Cowboys, and we still have difficult road games later on at Minnesota, at Atlanta, at New England.
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Miami: watch out for the Beast.
Minnesotta: Favre isn't playin well, and he won't turn it around this year. Also, you lost to him twice last year, I doubt you'll loose twice to him this year.
Jets: I expect Capers to allow the CBs to jump routes and expose Mark Sanchez for the Captain Checkdown he's become.
Cowboys: That is a winnable game
Atlanta: that is one tough team.
New England: Sadly Belichick will have his young defense improving game by game by then.*

He is running a bend but don't break defense that is improving game by game (the only outlier was the jets game, were the defense got gassed because of the low of 1st dowsn by the Pats offense in the 2nd half).

bluestree
10-14-2010, 12:09 PM
Somebody must have got to Finley and told him they're saving a roster spot. He has now tweeted he'll be back for the playoffs. It's a meniscus, usually those can rehab more quickly than ligament tears. Quarless looked good in his absence, and Crabtree was an effective blocker. Good thing they kept four tight ends. If ARod can't go, Flynn vs. Henne is a push. Henne's been on the verge of losing his job. I give him the nod on experience, but the hame field advantage will neutralize that. The Pack must stop the run, which they're good at. They all just need to stay on the field.

Amy
10-14-2010, 08:25 PM
As long as the Packers contain Marshall and don't get fooled by the Wildcat, they should be able to deal with Miami. I'd say that they should readily handle the Vikings and Cowboys. The Jets might be hard, but I'll be rooting for the Pack. Even as injured as the Packers are, I think 3-1 is doable this stretch for them and 4-0 possible.

bluestree
10-14-2010, 08:45 PM
As long as the Packers contain Marshall and don't get fooled by the Wildcat, they should be able to deal with Miami. I'd say that they should readily handle the Vikings and Cowboys. The Jets might be hard, but I'll be rooting for the Pack. Even as injured as the Packers are, I think 3-1 is doable this stretch for them and 4-0 possible.

Thanks Amy, what do you think of our chances against the Pats? lol

Amy
10-15-2010, 11:44 AM
Thanks Amy, what do you think of our chances against the Pats? lol

Let's see then. If you guys are healthy, even odds. Depending on how our D is by then. Healthy, the Packers are a very scary team.

SpartaChris
10-15-2010, 11:47 AM
Welp, Nick Barnett out for the season: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/17987/packers-officially-end-nick-barnetts-season

Desmond Bishop, put up or shut up!

bluestree
10-15-2010, 02:26 PM
Welp, Nick Barnett out for the season: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/17987/packers-officially-end-nick-barnetts-season

Desmond Bishop, put up or shut up!

Yep, time to back up the training camp talk. Got to wonder if this will put Nick's career on the downslide.

SpartaChris
10-15-2010, 07:50 PM
Yep, time to back up the training camp talk. Got to wonder if this will put Nick's career on the downslide.

Nah, I don't think so. It's a wrist injury, similar to Brian Urlacher's last season, not a knee injury. Shouldn't impact him at all.

msclemons
10-16-2010, 01:45 AM
Why does a worried corner of my mind want to follow "the season isn't over yet" with "there's plenty of time for the rest of the team to go on IR"?

The Pack this year is the most snake-bitten team for injuries I can remember recently. They should still win the NFC North but it's not going to be the cakewalk I thought it would be before the season started.

SpartaChris
10-16-2010, 02:00 AM
I think we're gonna trade our entire next three drafts for Chuck Norris' beard. We're almost assured a dynasty then!

bluestree
10-16-2010, 01:17 PM
As we've been saying, fortunately for the Pack, it is very early in the season. Sometimes when guys go down it's the only way that a reserve can get the reps needed for him to develop his potential.
I guess not everyone realizes how early it is. Last night Paul Burmeister on NFLN, dicussing the Bucs, said "They're in the playoffs, or, I mean, they're in the playoff picture as of this point in the season." C'mon man, I know you have to fill air, and sure you could discuss playoff favorites, but a team like the Bucs and playoffs in the same sentence? There's a playoff picture in week six? Way to early to go there. It makes it seem like you're out of story ideas.