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HiloVulcan
07-07-2010, 08:33 PM
Noticed there are no threads here, so I thought I'd start one. I'm an Eagles fan, and one of the many who believed trading him intradivision was a huge blunder not seen since Jerguson. I believe McNabb is a Hall of Famer, but from his very auspicious beginning at Radio City Music Hall to the constant knocks, criticisms and eventual trade out of a city he represented so well, there have always been questions.


He now has the opportunity to redefine and write a punctuated finish to his legacy with the Redskins - his abilities now better paired with a coach not hell bent on rewriting geometry by trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.


The very first step begins with this upcoming season. How will the Redskins finish, and what will McNabb's legacy eventually be?

PrestigeWorldwide
07-08-2010, 12:36 AM
McNabb will go down as the fourth or fifth best QB of this era. Brady, Brees, and Manning are all certainly ahead of McNabb as far as current players and they all started roughly around the same time. Unless he wins a Super Bowl, he won't even have a shot of being in the same light as those guys. He's a borderline Hall of Famer, if he gets a Super Bowl he's in, if he doesn't he's just Drew Bledsoe or Boomer Esiason with speed.

NickMykita
07-08-2010, 12:40 AM
McNabb is certainly one of the best of this era. He doesn't have a ring (yet), but his talent is undeniable. I expect he has several years left in his career, so I'll be curious to see the legacy he leaves. I imagine in the future, everyone will remember him for his time with the Eagles and how he made them a consistent contender (5 NFC Championship games in 8 seasons).

TheLinc
07-08-2010, 05:19 AM
I'll always love McNabb, and I wish he would retire an Eagle. Can't knock the guy, easily one of the best of the era and embodied the Eagles - always good, never great. I think his window for a ring as closed, but I wish nothing but the best for him in Washington, save for the two Sundays a year he's going to be lining up opposite Philadelphia.

BayouBoys
07-08-2010, 05:45 AM
I commented about this on another post but I believe the redskins will sadly finish last but I do believe they will make some noise. I hope a lot of noise because I enjoy watching the NFC east teams beat each other up. But I do believe with the new coach that they will be a nice team in the very near future. The only thing I will say, I AM NOT a fan of Jim Haslett. If Shanahan can keep him in line, he can be a great D-coor but he can get a bit too friendly with the players. Check out what he did with the saints back in the day.

Now Mcnabb, It is hard for me not to say he is in the top 5 of his era. He was in an era of some really great quarterbacks (not saying it's over though!). I see him entering the hall of fame as an Eagle even if he wins one down the road with the 'skins.

DannyMilk
07-08-2010, 06:01 AM
I think even with a ring he isn't a HOFer...It's so hard, in the current state of anything, to think ahead and look back. Say 2025 comes around...will there be an argument...Who deserves to be a Hall of Famer more...Donovan McNabb, or Mark Brunell...easy answer, right? OBVIOUSLY MCNABB!!! Well, not really as of today. I know McNabb will tally more yards before his career is over, but as of right now, their stats are very very similar. So yes, he's had a good career, but unless he gets a ring, and tallies a couple more 3,000 yard seasons, I don't see it happening.

TheLinc
07-08-2010, 06:36 AM
I think even with a ring he isn't a HOFer...It's so hard, in the current state of anything, to think ahead and look back. Say 2025 comes around...will there be an argument...Who deserves to be a Hall of Famer more...Donovan McNabb, or Mark Brunell...easy answer, right? OBVIOUSLY MCNABB!!! Well, not really as of today. I know McNabb will tally more yards before his career is over, but as of right now, their stats are very very similar. So yes, he's had a good career, but unless he gets a ring, and tallies a couple more 3,000 yard seasons, I don't see it happening.

I can't see him as a Hall of Famer, I just can't. He was never that good, regardless of regular season stats. I mean - the title of this thread is exactly it, what IS his legacy? Puking in the Super Bowl? Terrell Owens? Chunky soup? Not knowing you can tie in an NFL game? Or being traded to a division rival because your old team thinks your washed up, and 'fans' CHEERING the decision?

I'm not trying to dump on the guy, I love McNabb. But no, no Hall of Fame. When the guy was good, he was really good. But not Hall of Fame good.

HiloVulcan
07-08-2010, 06:02 PM
Yea I don't know that that is being entirely objective. Although I don't claim pure objectivity either. Interestingly ESPN just wrote a story discussing.

From the story: I think McNabb will always be appreciated more by the national media more than the folks in Philly. Every game has been dissected, so Eagles fans simply got to know him a little too well. His career has honestly been more consistent than Kurt Warner's. But Warner has the ring and he finished strong with the Cardinals.

Bottom line: Another trip to the Super Bowl would help his cause immensely, but he's already in the Canton conversation.


Here's the link: http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_/name/2010-hall-of-fame-debate



Also I say the Skins improve by 5 to 6 wins, and McNabb makes those receivers look good, both have more ability then Stinky Pinky and Trash. You would think if he can take them to 3 straight NFCCG's there's hope for Devin and Malcolm.

BayouBoys
07-11-2010, 04:11 AM
Also I say the Skins improve by 5 to 6 wins, and McNabb makes those receivers look good, both have more ability then Stinky Pinky and Trash. You would think if he can take them to 3 straight NFCCG's there's hope for Devin and Malcolm.

That has to be repeated for everyone. I guess he didn't dominate with stats but the guy could win. And always brought them to the NFC championship but couldn't bring it forward except once. I mean, I think he has a great resume.

bluestree
07-11-2010, 11:35 AM
I think McNabb should go to the HOF. He carried the Eagles to the top of what was a fairly tough division, year in, year out. I think you may be right about having the ring, which is totally bogus, IMO. Teams win championships. McNabb found ways to help his team win consistently, throwing to guys with brick hands and alligator arms.

HiloVulcan
07-13-2010, 05:41 AM
I think even with a ring he isn't a HOFer...It's so hard, in the current state of anything, to think ahead and look back. Say 2025 comes around...will there be an argument...Who deserves to be a Hall of Famer more...Donovan McNabb, or Mark Brunell...easy answer, right? OBVIOUSLY MCNABB!!! Well, not really as of today. I know McNabb will tally more yards before his career is over, but as of right now, their stats are very very similar. So yes, he's had a good career, but unless he gets a ring, and tallies a couple more 3,000 yard seasons, I don't see it happening.


Look at the number of playoff wins v. Brady, Manning. Obviously those two have rings but the number of all three will surprise you. Look at Brunell's record as a starter v. McNabb's as well as Pro Bowls. Then again, compare to Manning and Brady. I also don't remember Brunell ever finishing 2nd in MVP voting. He's barely above .500 as a starter. Finally, look at who are the winningest QB's since McNabb's been in the league. The winning percentages and names of those in the top 3 will surprise you. And I'm sure I don't need to throw in the td-int ratio all time.

If none of the aforementioned came as a surprise to you, then I don't know how you could say their stats are very very similar. Unless of course you are only looking at passing yards because McNabb has a whole season's worth of TD's more than Brunell, and, you guessed it, fewer career picks.

DannyMilk
07-13-2010, 06:12 AM
I'm not saying McNabb's not better than Brunell...I'm just trying to look into the future, because some players seem invincible and **** now, but in the history of the game, maybe they aren't in that top tier, which would be the Hall of Fame. Also, keep in mind, Brunell was on a Jacksonville team that was a franchise...should be a credit to him that they ever got to the playoffs. He had 10 career playoff games, McNabb has 16...so that makes him a Hall of Famer? Brunell was .500 as a playoff starter, McNabb's a game over at 9-7. Listen, I'm not arguing the fact that McNabb is better...it's a fact. I'm just saying, when you look back in 15-20 years, when there are 30 more quarterbacks with the same if not better stats, is he a Hall of Famer or just a really good player?

HiloVulcan
07-13-2010, 05:14 PM
I think the true test is asking yourself, "would he have been dominant in any era?". I think with McNabb the answer to that question is yes. Along with Brady and Manning. In fact, a younger McNabb would've ripped up those slower secondaries of yesteryear. If you really think about it, McNabb was what people thought Vick would become - the perfect blend of mobility against the rush, threat to run and pocket passing ability. His rushing yardage is among the highest in NFL history at the QB position, and his passing statistics are also in the upper tier. I still remember the 00-01 season before they drafted Westbrook. He accounted for 70% of that year's offense. That was the year he finished 2nd in MVP voting to Faulk in his first year as a starter. I'm not so sure there's ever been a QB who's done more with less throughout his career.

If I were McNabb, I would take any mention of Brunell's name and mine in the same sentence as an insult.

Can't just be a stats monkey. Schaub just passed for 4,700 yards, and no one can tell me they think this guy is dominant and can take over games. You're going to get inflated numbers with the rule changes, and changes in offensive philosophy. It becomes more important to look at the complete picture at that point.

DannyMilk
07-13-2010, 07:06 PM
Funny thing is that I'm not a stats guy all that much really haha. I think McNabb was very good. He was groomed to be that way. The high school he went to is an athletic POWERHOUSE (as much as I hate them), and he proved himself. I'm just trying to make a point that I'm not quite sure if he DOES stand out enough, as far as the big picture goes. As far as cultural impact, is it bigger than Cunningham even though Cunningham did it first in a way? And I agree with the Vick thing, although, well, Vick gets his own category. And I will say, playing as Vick in Madden was one of the most fun times of my life haha. As of now I don't feel he's a HOF...next few years will be deciding factor in my opinion.

Nice avatar btw...good work.

HiloVulcan
07-13-2010, 07:10 PM
Funny thing is that I'm not a stats guy all that much really haha. I think McNabb was very good. He was groomed to be that way. The high school he went to is an athletic POWERHOUSE (as much as I hate them), and he proved himself. I'm just trying to make a point that I'm not quite sure if he DOES stand out enough, as far as the big picture goes. As far as cultural impact, is it bigger than Cunningham even though Cunningham did it first in a way? And I agree with the Vick thing, although, well, Vick gets his own category. And I will say, playing as Vick in Madden was one of the most fun times of my life haha. As of now I don't feel he's a HOF...next few years will be deciding factor in my opinion.

Nice avatar btw...good work.


Good words... thanks bruh.

GoBigOrGoHome
07-13-2010, 09:01 PM
HOFer but enshrinement will take a few years.