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Bengals1181
07-21-2010, 03:31 PM
As long as they can take care of business outside of the division, then certainly yes. Here's is their record in the division with Palmer under center:


Against Cleveland: 8-2
Against Baltimore: 8-3
Against Pittsburgh: 4-6


They should be able to expect at least 4, possibly 5 wins from the division. On paper Tampa and Carolina should be wins too.

Then you just have to split the other remaining games:

At NE (winnable, with or without Welker)
At ATL (tough, but winnable)
At Indy (gonna be tough to win in Indy)
At Jets (depends on if its the early jets or late jets from last year)
Saints (a toughy, but they get them at home in december. better running team wins)
Chargers (again, the chargers outside in late december doesn't scare me)


Anything from 9-12 wins is realistic IMO.

Bunghole
07-21-2010, 04:54 PM
I completely agree. Barring major injury to critical positions, and if the defense stays solid, the oline improves, the WR's play like I hope, the pass rush improves and the RB's continue to pound the ball...I think its damn near a lock.

StarvinMarvin
07-21-2010, 05:02 PM
I haven't looked at the schedule in depth yet to do the wins and losses prognostication thing. As a long-time fan I'm optimistic but a lot of what's been said during the off-season regarding a successful '10 campaign relies on rookies and acquisitions performing at a high level. Will the O-line pass blocking improve? Can A. Smith get on the field and remain injury-free? Will Bryant's knee hold up and will he be better than Coles last year? Is Palmer done? Will Benson get suspended? Can Brat call a play that involves a Tight End? Marvin's contract... R. William's arm... Rey's leg.... the list of questions is lengthy and at this point most are yet to have reliable answers. I desprately WANT to believe they can repeat but objectively I don't see it. It kills me to say it but, barring injuries, I think Baltimore wins the division with the Bengals getting a Wild Card berth. And then anything can happen and hopefully will!

Bengals1181
07-21-2010, 05:14 PM
Is Palmer done? Will Benson get suspended?


I see those both as complete non-issues.

StarvinMarvin
07-21-2010, 06:42 PM
I mearly bring those up as questions I've seen posed on other sites as questions raised about this years team.

Bunghole
07-21-2010, 07:15 PM
I haven't looked at the schedule in depth yet to do the wins and losses prognostication thing. As a long-time fan I'm optimistic but a lot of what's been said during the off-season regarding a successful '10 campaign relies on rookies and acquisitions performing at a high level. Will the O-line pass blocking improve? Can A. Smith get on the field and remain injury-free? Will Bryant's knee hold up and will he be better than Coles last year? Is Palmer done? Will Benson get suspended? Can Brat call a play that involves a Tight End? Marvin's contract... R. William's arm... Rey's leg.... the list of questions is lengthy and at this point most are yet to have reliable answers. I desprately WANT to believe they can repeat but objectively I don't see it. It kills me to say it but, barring injuries, I think Baltimore wins the division with the Bengals getting a Wild Card berth. And then anything can happen and hopefully will!

A Smith is a big question mark, no doubt. There are legit questions surrounding his weight and effort, let alone his injury. The Bengals really need him to be the mauler that Big Willie was in his prime. Brat calling plays for TE's won't be an issue...he likes his toys and now he's got a couple good ones to scheme around with...Bryant's knee must be OK otherwise the Bengals wouldn't have given him that huge contract...Rey will be fine if he stays away from booze...his injury is no big deal...Roy Williams is certainly another legit injury concern given his recent history but the Bengals signed Gibril Wilson for depth, and he is a better option than Tom Nelson will ever be...

I think we'll mostly be OK unless we get decimated with injuries...which is pretty much where luck plays into every NFL team's seasons from year to year.

walzav31
07-21-2010, 07:31 PM
Absolutely. I have no doubt they'll win the division. The only reason people are picking against them is their past. Which makes as much sense as picking against the Saints last year because they never went to the Super Bowl. The D is top 5, the running game is top 10, and they have a Pro Bowl QB.

Andy Freeland
07-21-2010, 07:34 PM
It's possible that the Bengals could be as good as last year, but have a worse record. They won last year by sweeping the division, that's probably not going to happen 2 years in a row. A division sweep is incredibly rare, the teams just know each other too well. Weeks 3-5 they beat each division opponent by 3 points, could easily have lost any of the 3 and had no business beating the Steelers. Outside of the AFC North they won only 1 game vs the AFC, a late 17-10 win over the Chiefs.

The defense that carried the Bengals last year should be just as good and the pass offense, which was terrible, has to be better. The Bengals should be better this year, and they'll have to be if they want to go back to the playoffs.

OverTheTop
07-21-2010, 08:47 PM
I'm not sure what the bengals run/pass ratio was last season but if I recall correctly it was very close to 50%, which shows an incredible balance to their offensive game and the desire to stick with the run even when it's not working great at times. So if Benson and the O-line have another great season I see no reason why the Bengals could not win the division. But as Andy mentioned, sweeping and going 6-0 in the AFC north back to back years is unlikely to happen due to the familiarity the teams share. Baltimore appears to be taking a step forward and at this point it's hard for me to picture the Bengals ending the season with a better record than the Ravens.

Bunghole
07-22-2010, 07:55 AM
It's possible that the Bengals could be as good as last year, but have a worse record.

Its also equally possible that they could be better than last year and have a better record!
;>)
Although I agree that sweeping the division again would be pretty tough.

Andy Freeland
07-22-2010, 09:27 AM
Its also equally possible that they could be better than last year and have a better record!
;>)
Although I agree that sweeping the division again would be pretty tough.

All true. While I don't expect them to go 6-0 in the division, I would be equally shocked if they went 1-5 against the rest of the AFC again. While I expect 7 to 9 wins, if the defense and running game are just as good and the passing game, with all the new additions, improves, 11 or even 12 wins is not out of the question. The upside for for would be 4-2 in the division, 4-2 against the rest of the AFC, 3-1 against the NFC South (11-5). At 11 wins you're just an interception away from 12.

The biggest game for me is November 14 at Indy. Since '98 (Peyton Manning's rookie year) the Bengals are 0-6 against the Colts, giving up at least 28 in every game. If the Bengals hope to take that next step, they have to show they can beat the Colts.

Bengals1181
07-22-2010, 09:30 AM
All true. While I don't expect them to go 6-0 in the division, I would be equally shocked if they went 1-5 against the rest of the AFC again. While I expect 7 to 9 wins, if the defense and running game are just as good and the passing game, with all the new additions, improves, 11 or even 12 wins is not out of the question. The upside for for would be 4-2 in the division, 4-2 against the rest of the AFC, 3-1 against the NFC South (11-5). At 11 wins you're just an interception away from 12.

The biggest game for me is November 14 at Indy. Since '98 (Peyton Manning's rookie year) the Bengals are 0-6 against the Colts, giving up at least 28 in every game. If the Bengals hope to take that next step, they have to show they can beat the Colts.




well said. I think the two biggest advantages in the schedule are that they get the Saints and Chargers at home in the dead of winter. Best running game will win.

del23
07-23-2010, 01:26 AM
As with every team in the NFL, the health of their roster is going to go a long way in determining how the Bengals do this season. As regards the roster, I think they have improved significantly, particularly in their depth in key positions, bar quarterback and possibly linebacker? If the majority can remain healthy I can see the Bengals repeating, however it is highly unlikely that they could sweep the division again. While they still may be under the radar on the national front, they will have huge targets on their backs for the other division teams who will be well aware of what happened last season.

I find it very hard to go through a schedule and predict wins and losses, as form plays a major part in every NFL season. So while it is easy to say they should beat Carolina and Buffalo, those games could be a lot tougher on the back of a tough division loss to the Ravens or a 20 point defeat to the Colts. And of course with every NFL season there will always be teams who have greatly improved from the previous year (the Bengals last year) and likewise others who have declined rapidly. So while it does look a torturous schedule, it may not turn out that way. Only one way to find out........ can't wait!

Bunghole
08-19-2010, 05:54 PM
All true. While I don't expect them to go 6-0 in the division, I would be equally shocked if they went 1-5 against the rest of the AFC again. While I expect 7 to 9 wins, if the defense and running game are just as good and the passing game, with all the new additions, improves, 11 or even 12 wins is not out of the question. The upside for for would be 4-2 in the division, 4-2 against the rest of the AFC, 3-1 against the NFC South (11-5). At 11 wins you're just an interception away from 12.

The biggest game for me is November 14 at Indy. Since '98 (Peyton Manning's rookie year) the Bengals are 0-6 against the Colts, giving up at least 28 in every game. If the Bengals hope to take that next step, they have to show they can beat the Colts.

I completely agree. I want the Bengals to show on a national stage that they belong, and that starts with proving they can hang with the likes of the Colts and the Patriots.

Chompurself
08-19-2010, 06:21 PM
I dont see the bengals repeating as division champs, I see the Ravens as the most improved team that was already good....the bengals non-division games are really tough I had no idea.....I wld still give them a shot to grab a wildcard birth but realistically they are a 9-7 team

Bunghole
08-30-2010, 09:23 AM
I dont see the bengals repeating as division champs, I see the Ravens as the most improved team that was already good....the bengals non-division games are really tough I had no idea.....I wld still give them a shot to grab a wildcard birth but realistically they are a 9-7 team

The Ravens have some pretty big issues...most notably their decimated secondary. And Donte Stallworth just broke his foot, although he's all hype anyway. Boldin will have to stay healthy (which he struggles to do every year) or Flacco is back to dink and dunk to Rice and Heap. And Heap gets hurt every year. No Sergio Kindle. They certainly have some problems that talking heads overlook as they are busy anointing them as the sexy pick in the AFC.

akardan
08-31-2010, 04:46 AM
Bengals have a real tough sched as reward for 1st place, but I think barring injury, we have enough firepower on both sides of the ball to beat any team.
But, if we don't clean up the penalties and the random mental errors (ahem, caldwell fumbling the kickoff at OAK in OT), we're going to drop 2-3 games we SHOULD win. And with as many tough/50-50 games as we have on the sched, we can't lose those kinds of games again.

If they come out focused, I see 10-11 wins, which should be enough for the division or wildcard.

Bengals1181
08-31-2010, 07:54 AM
Bengals have a real tough sched as reward for 1st place, but I think barring injury, we have enough firepower on both sides of the ball to beat any team.
But, if we don't clean up the penalties and the random mental errors (ahem, caldwell fumbling the kickoff at OAK in OT), we're going to drop 2-3 games we SHOULD win. And with as many tough/50-50 games as we have on the sched, we can't lose those kinds of games again.

If they come out focused, I see 10-11 wins, which should be enough for the division or wildcard.


Caldwell always takes crap for that when in truth the team should have been up by 20 at that point.


They all stunk it up, the fumble was just the final nail.


BTW, it wasn't OT.