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herbcooker
07-29-2011, 04:40 PM
I don't profess to be an expert in NFL contracts, but I've wondered for the last 7 years or so, how much is enough? Carson Palmer recently threatened to retire if he was not traded, and came right out and said he had $80,000,000.00 (that's a lot of 0's) in the bank. Now, the last time you were asked to name the top 5 quarterbacks in the NFL, did Carson Palmer immediately jump into your mind? We'll get back to Carson later, because this really is about Peyton Manning.

I don't know him, never interviewed him, but I've been around the "aura" of Manning for years. The Colts used to train in my home town, and I've spent my share of hours around the team. And you would think that the only thing left for Manning to do is win more super bowls. Now, maybe he has the intention of leaving a lasting legacy of this current lawsuit to all future players, that I can see. When you are 65 years old and being interviewed for sportscenter on ESPN36000 ... it would be nice to say you changed the game on the field and off the field. If so, my hat's off to you Mr. Manning.

But when the courts are done and the votes are in and the caps are decided and the contracts are ready to be signed, I would hope Manning would stop just one second and ask, "How much is enough?" I've sat here and reported on countless players over the years who have cried and whined about their contracts, demanding trades or new contracts simply because they want to be the highest paid player at their position. Now, some players who have cried and whined deserved new deals ... it's the ones who only care about $$$ are the ones who I hate. Ego and $$$.

Now, I just don't see Manning as that kind of person. Indeed, I could be wrong ... but no matter what he signs for ... in just a few seasons someone will blow his contract out of the water. So for a few minutes, he can say he's the highest paid player in NFL history. I don't buy it. What I do buy is that Manning should not want to start drawing his retirement pay knowing that Tom Brady has more Super Bowl rings that he has. Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. These names are always going to be linked together. Back a few years ago, if memory serves me right, Manning was making about $17 Mil and Brady $10 Mil. If I'm a GM, I think I can make good use of that $7,000,000.00 (those damn 0's again). You can buy a lot good starters and even more quality back-ups with that amount of money. And New England did. And New England won. And Tom Brady has more rings than Peyton. And that statement will follow Peyton Manning the rest of his life.

Which brings me back to Carson Palmer and his $80.000.000.00 If Peyton has the highest "Q" rating in sports, does the most commercials, has the most endorsement contracts, and has been in the league a little longer than Palmer, and at one time had the first or second highest contract in the NFL ...How much money does Manning have in the bank and how much more does he need?


How much is enough, Mr. Manning?

Andy Freeland
07-29-2011, 05:10 PM
It's easy to say that there's such a thing as enough money, but the vast majority of us will never know. I certainly would like to find out someday, but that's not gonna happen unless I win the lottery or ... can't think of anything, the lottery is pretty much my only option. Peyton will make more money on his next contract than he will in any other 5-7 period in his entire life. When he's 55 years old and making a million or two a year, would he regret leaving 5, 10 or 15 million on the table? Probably not. There are only so many condor egg omelets you can eat and diamond encrusted, gold plated cars you can drive, but it has to at least cross his mind.

I don't know Peyton personally either, but he certainly comes across as a guy with a good head on his shoulders and he always says the right thing. He has marketed himself perfectly, and not guerrilla marketing. He knows that there's more money to be made in the long run by playing nice than by grabbing every dollar today. But don't overlook ego. I think it's safe to say that every professional athlete has a healthy ego. You don't reach that level without being ultra-competitive and that comes with an ego. Peyton plays the aw shucks bumpkin in his commercials, but watching him on the field you know he's competitive. Will that carry over to the highest paid player competition?

brauneyz
07-29-2011, 05:32 PM
Interesting timing. PFT is now running a story with Peyton saying he's willing to take less than Colts offer. Encourages them to be creative and spread the $$$ around so they keep necessary players.

Just saying' ...

... and we'll see!

Also, nice first post Mr. Cooker.

GoBigOrGoHome
07-29-2011, 06:56 PM
Tremendous first post.

IndyColtsFan
07-30-2011, 11:45 AM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6817822/peyton-manning-resisting-colts-efforts-make-highest-paid-player

^^^ This.

KabaModernFan
07-30-2011, 03:35 PM
Contract announced today: 5 years/$90M - same as Tom Brady's current deal.

ReaderM
07-30-2011, 04:10 PM
Contract announced today: 5 years/$90M - same as Tom Brady's current deal.

Take him through 2015. Considering his neck history as of late and everything, this is most likely his last contract with the team unless he goes Favre on everyone. He got paid but not so much that he left the Colts 2 strapped against the cap. It should be interesting to see how this contract plays out cause at what point in this contract do you get his successor.He's been such a big part of this team that at some point they have to plan for without him. I mean look at the Dolphins, they still haven't really recovered since Dan left.

brauneyz
07-30-2011, 06:42 PM
Front-loaded, too, with $69M coming in the first 3 yrs. So much for taking one for the team, eh? :confused:

msclemons
07-30-2011, 08:46 PM
Manning gets 23 million per year during the realistic part of his contract (last two years have a snowball's chance in hell) while Brady gets 18 million per. And this is being spun - not just by the Colts but by NFL reporters - as a huge sacrifice by Manning.

I wanted to choke Albert Breer through twitter today (and I really like Breer). Twitter needs a "choke annoyance" button.

Ragar
07-30-2011, 09:13 PM
Manning gets 23 million per year during the realistic part of his contract (last two years have a snowball's chance in hell) while Brady gets 18 million per. And this is being spun - not just by the Colts but by NFL reporters - as a huge sacrifice by Manning.

I wanted to choke Albert Breer through twitter today (and I really like Breer). Twitter needs a "choke annoyance" button.

Again reporters taking the easy way and saying what an agent, or PR person wants instead of the actual "truth". makes me want ot bang my head on my keyboard....

ReaderM
07-30-2011, 09:23 PM
Again reporters taking the easy way and saying what an agent, or PR person wants instead of the actual "truth". makes me want ot bang my head on my keyboard....

Not sure how much that is the them just spotting the numbers but the nature of instantaneous media today where your report something first and then fill in the proper details later.

Andy Freeland
07-30-2011, 09:31 PM
This is a first, I've never heard of a team, player and agent all conspiring to create a contract that appears to be smaller than it actually is. Peter King is saying it was written that way so they can renegotiate after 3 years (Peyton will be 38) when the new TV deals are signed and there's more money.

Ragar
07-30-2011, 09:32 PM
Not sure how much that is the them just spotting the numbers but the nature of instantaneous media today where your report something first and then fill in the proper details later.

And yet, the details will never be filled in. Anytime it is mentioned it is "5 yrs, $90 million, same as Brady." Yet we know becasue they give a 10- second throw away line of "$69 million in the 1st 3 years" and poo-poo that away, buried into their report, to never be mentioned again. We just get hte line "$18 mil/year, same as Brady"

Ragar
07-30-2011, 09:37 PM
This is a first, I've never heard of a team, player and agent all conspiring to create a contract that appears to be smaller than it actually is. Peter King is saying it was written that way so they can renegotiate after 3 years (Peyton will be 38) when the new TV deals are signed and there's more money.

All these multi-year contracts with enormous and unrealistic cap number final years are the exact same conspiracy with a number that is smaller then they appear, the difference is this has a specific reason of renogatiating after 3 of 5 years (the tv deal), vs. an agreed upon "you live up to the contract, we rengotiate", or "if you don't live up to teh contract, you get cut". The contract numbers are typically smaller then what they actually are written as.

iwatt
07-31-2011, 10:14 AM
Jordan was paid less than Pippen. Nobody in their right mind would say Mr. Jordan had a small ego.

Been the highest paid player or been the greatest winner? All true GOATs know the answer to that question.

Andy Freeland
07-31-2011, 10:59 AM
All these multi-year contracts with enormous and unrealistic cap number final years are the exact same conspiracy with a number that is smaller then they appear, the difference is this has a specific reason of renogatiating after 3 of 5 years (the tv deal), vs. an agreed upon "you live up to the contract, we rengotiate", or "if you don't live up to teh contract, you get cut". The contract numbers are typically smaller then what they actually are written as.

I disagree. The vast majority of contracts are written to be larger than they appear. Backloaded contracts that will never be finished with ridiculous incentives that can never be met. The agents love to state that their client signed a 6-year, 800 billion dollar deal, when in reality it's 3 years, $8M. I've used this example before but it's worth repeating, D'Brickashaw Ferguson's last contract included a bonus if he blocked 7 punts a year. This bonus was originally reported as part of the 6-year, $60M deal. Why? So the agent could say it was a $60M deal. Manning's contract is the opposite, it includes 2 years at the end that, it is assumed, will be negotiated away specifically to make it seem like he's not the highest paid player in the game, when in reality he is.

Ripperlicious
07-31-2011, 08:32 PM
Interesting timing. PFT is now running a story with Peyton saying he's willing to take less than Colts offer. Encourages them to be creative and spread the $$$ around so they keep necessary players.

Just saying' ...

... and we'll see!

Also, nice first post Mr. Cooker.

Is there any doubt that Manning means more to the Colts than Brady does the Patriots? When Tom was lost for the year, the Pats still went 11-5. If Manning is lost like that, the Colts go 2-14 at best. Manning "deserves" more than Brady because the Pats don't rely on Brady in the same way. Do I care if it's reported as the "same contract as Brady"? No, because perception counts in a media driven world.

brauneyz
07-31-2011, 09:05 PM
Is there any doubt that Manning means more to the Colts than Brady does the Patriots? When Tom was lost for the year, the Pats still went 11-5. If Manning is lost like that, the Colts go 2-14 at best. Manning "deserves" more than Brady because the Pats don't rely on Brady in the same way. Do I care if it's reported as the "same contract as Brady"? No, because perception counts in a media driven world.

You'll get no argument from me regarding Manning's worth to the Colts. I have long maintained (even publicly) that MVP should go to him every year cuz w/o him Colts suck. That said, if Colts want to mortgage to the moon to retain him, no skin off my capitalist's nose.

But you gotta admit, he is a bit of a marketing whore. :p

Colts01
07-31-2011, 09:27 PM
But you gotta admit, he is a bit of a marketing whore. :p

Which makes Brady?

brauneyz
07-31-2011, 09:29 PM
Which makes Brady?

Brady does very little marketing. I do not know the financial arrangement he may have made with Giselle. :p

GoBigOrGoHome
07-31-2011, 09:31 PM
Which makes Brady?

A dude with absolutely zero need to prostitute himself?

Colts01
07-31-2011, 09:36 PM
Brady does very little marketing. I do not know the financial arrangement he may have made with Giselle. :p

He's done his fair share,agree not as much as Manning though.Its true on any given Sunday during the season in the Indy market theres always at least one or two Manning spots.

brauneyz
07-31-2011, 09:44 PM
He's done his fair share,agree not as much as Manning though.Its true on any given Sunday during the season in the Indy market theres always at least one or two Manning spots.

If by fair share you mean, practically negligible, hey, I'm on board with that.

Other than that MC commercial years ago with his whole O-line, I can't remember a single commercial. (That print ad with the goat doesn't count. Good gawd, what was that?) He also does annual charity races, etc. but I don't count that, even though he gets visibility.

I think you're just jealous that my prostitute is prettier than yours. :p

Colts01
07-31-2011, 09:55 PM
I think you're just jealous that my prostitute is prettier than yours. :p

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f369/djerc7/2275327146_6645976482.jpg

Indeed!

brauneyz
07-31-2011, 09:58 PM
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f369/djerc7/2275327146_6645976482.jpg

Indeed!


Yeah, the headband nailed it! Good gawd! :rolleyes:

Colts01
07-31-2011, 10:05 PM
This is actually my favorite skit Brady has done to date,and for the record I like Brady,especially if he plays JET killer this year.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCKffDFOrmo&feature=related

msclemons
07-31-2011, 10:32 PM
In fairness to Peyton he really hasn't said much during this whole thing. It's been Irsay and a few jock-sniffing reporters portraying Manning as a martyr for accepting "only" $23 million per year.

Peyton has actually been cool about the process. I like the guy except for his endorsement of Oreos (I will explain in OG).

Colts01
07-31-2011, 10:40 PM
I like the guy except for his endorsement of Oreos (I will explain in OG).

No argument haha.

brauneyz
07-31-2011, 10:56 PM
I love Peyton too, and all his endorsements. Dude is funny!

Yeah, he plays QB OK, too.

wxwax
08-02-2011, 03:02 AM
To get back to the issue raised by this thread's title...

Manning's legacy is to cement a Colt myth and tradition in Indianapolis. A team that fled Baltimore in shame, a team that was no sure thing in Indianapolis, is now routinely viewed as a model operation with great fan support.

And it's all thanks to Peyton Manning (with a little help from his buddy Bill Polian.)

Peyton Manning is the Johnny Unitas of Indianapolis. And they can never take that away from him.