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  • Albert Haynesworth to the Patriots: Really?

    Albert Haynesworth going to the Patriots was a stunner. Not that Bill Belichick doesn't have a track record of success with disgruntled players, but Haynesworth seems like an odd fit. First of all, the main reason that Haynesworth didn't like Washington was they wanted him to play in a 3-4 defense that didn't allow him to rush the passer. The Patriots 3-4 defense asks even more out of their defensive linemen. The Patriots are a true 2-gap team relying on the defensive line to basically stop the run from the outside gap of the offensive tackles to the center. It is not easy. It takes defensive linemen with a team first attitude because their statistics will never reflect their contribution to the team. I thought the great Patriots teams of the last decade were fueled by Tom Brady and their defensive line that never got much credit.

    Will Haynesworth be willing to play in that system and not bring down one of the most solid locker rooms in the NFL. It is risky. The good news for Haynesworth is he will not have to play nose tackle like he was asked to do in Washington. I'm sure he will play the 5 technique which is always the key position in Belichick's style of defense. Albert Haynesworth is a soft spoken, bright guy who is not at all like the guy I had imagined him to be. However, he has proven that if he is not happy, the teams needs are secondary. Bill Belichick wants guys who believe football is important in their lives. I would not have put Haynesworth at the top of that list.

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    1. holz16's Avatar
      Sometimes I wonder if Bill is starting to really believe how great other people say he is.....or maybe he is feeling like it is starting to slip away and he is grasping at straws.
    1. Pruitt's Avatar
      Maybe playing in some meaningful games will light a fire under Haynesworth. If he gives an effort, the Pats just pulled off a big move.

      If he loafs a bit, he's Oakland bound.
    1. Ripperlicious's Avatar
      I always thought that Haynesworth's only strength was playing the 3-technique DT in a 4-3. The 5-technique is for run stoppers. I think holz16 may be on to something.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      I think he sees what I saw last year. His front 5, (DL and OSLBers) did not dominate as in the past. He needs depth and may only be looking for 20 plays per game from Haynesworth. Not bad for a 5th rounder. Plus, God didn't make many Albert Haynesworth bodies. It would take a top 10 pick to get a body like that in the draft.
    1. Ripperlicious's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Cris Collinsworth View Post
      I think he sees what I saw last year. His front 5, (DL and OSLBers) did not dominate as in the past. He needs depth and may only be looking for 20 plays per game from Haynesworth. Not bad for a 5th rounder. Plus, God didn't make many Albert Haynesworth bodies. It would take a top 10 pick to get a body like that in the draft.
      Yeah but since Belichick traded for him, doesn't his old contract still have to be satisfied? That's a lot of money to be paying a guy who only plays 20 plays a game isn't it?
    1. trill's Avatar
      Pats steal a former Pro Bowler with work-ethic issues from a team with an awful front office. Everyone smh.

      You're right, we have never seen this storyline before.

      Seriously, look at NE's defense last year - they got no QB pressure from their LB corps. Belichick learned that without a stud pass rusher, you have to get more creative with your fronts to get some production. With the size of their DL, they can go nickel on standard downs against a lot of teams. Haynesworth took some snaps at DE in Tennessee, and his main beef in Washington was playing 0-tech, which he will not be asked to do with Vince Wilfork on the roster in NE.

      There's no guarantee it works out, but it certainly could, and if it doesn't the Pats are out a 5th rounder.
    1. Ripperlicious's Avatar
      I wonder if Belichick is regretting the Richard Seymour trade now more than ever. Haynesworth for Seymour?!? Uhg....
    1. trill's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Ripperlicious View Post
      Yeah but since Belichick traded for him, doesn't his old contract still have to be satisfied? That's a lot of money to be paying a guy who only plays 20 plays a game isn't it?
      Redskins already paid almost all of the guaranteed $ in his deal. I think he makes like $4m + performance incentives this year.

      Haynesworth jerseys are on sale for $9.95 at the Redskins store!
    1. dandrea's Avatar
      theres 31 other teams (including the redskins) that wish they were on the patriots end of this deal. give up next to nothing to get not just a former pro bowler, but a defensive mvp, still in his prime years! bad attitude shmad attitude, if you can motivate this guy for just 10-15 plays a game that could be good for 1-2 more wins. he ruins offenses. him next to wilfolk and warren will be EXTREMELY disruptive. and not just against the run, they will collapse the interior.

      this is one of those deals that makes me wonder if/why every other team in the league didnt swoop in with a 4th round pick? you dont win in this league without taking some chances. and really, what is the major risk? that he doesnt play hard every play? that he acts like a jerk sometimes?
      we all know what the major reward is. to me its a medium risk with very high reward. this isnt "Genius of Bill," its just Bill willing to take a risk that 90% of the league is afraid to take.
    1. PlayerPerspectiveDotCom's Avatar
      I'm going to be honest, I can't judge any player by how they operate on the Skins. The Skins have such a toxic environment going, way too many cooks in the kitchen, and too many changes to count. Two years ago, everyone thought Brandon Lloyd was terrible and had attitude problems. But look what he did for the Broncos last year. As far as Albert in a 3-4 I can see the Patriots reworking some things to make him fit. But I'm not terribly worried about the whole attitude thing. Plus the Patriots only gave up a 5th or 6th round pick for him. They can cut him if they want. Looks like they will still have Stroud and Wilfork.
    1. iwatt's Avatar
      They had no pass rush. Even mediocre LBs can gerenate a push when both Vince and Al come rumbling down the middle.
    1. vancemeek's Avatar
      I love it. I'm not a Pats guy, but I think the move is brilliant. They're basically out nothing to get him. If he fits in and thrives, it's yet another genius move. If he is disruptive, they cut him and are out very little.
    1. Turk Schonert's Avatar
      Don't forget that the Patriots also play a 4 down scheme. I believe they played the entire preseason in a 4 down mode 2 years ago. BB might use more 4 down with Haynesworth aboard. I think BB is looking for a great year out of Haynesworth this year, just like he got out of Randy Moss when he came aboard. This trade wasn't made blindly, I'm sure that BB had a conversation or two with Haynesworth before making the deal.
    1. nonamesleft's Avatar
      This is a low risk high reward deal.

      Haynesworth's contract is only about $5 million this year and $6 million next year, the Patriots run a lot more 4-3 than most people think, 2013 5th rounders are cheap, and Haynesworth won’t have to worry about playing NT.

      If Haynesworth won’t do his job, or is damaging the locker room, he is an easy cut. If Haynesworth does get cut his value will drop so far he will be looking for work at the veteran minimum, so it is his best interests to play up to his ability.
    1. PlayerPerspectiveDotCom's Avatar
      Of course I said that right as the Pats cut Stroud. haha
    1. buzmeg's Avatar
      As I posted on another thread:

      Another reclamation project. First it was Corey Dillon; then Randy Moss; now Fat Albert Haynesworth. Can Belichick pull off another reclamation project? I think he can, BUT if Fat Albert messes with Bill's D he'll be gone faster than a fart in the wind.
    1. FrzzerBwler's Avatar
      The thought that keeps banging around in my head.
      Pats draft Mallet a move most teams would have been hammered for, Hoody gets a pass.
      Now trades for Haynesworth.
      Is there any other team that does this and gets a free pass?
      If Oakland or Cincinnati does this what is the reaction?
    1. RSConn5's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by FrzzerBwler View Post
      The thought that keeps banging around in my head.
      Pats draft Mallet a move most teams would have been hammered for, Hoody gets a pass.
      Now trades for Haynesworth.
      Is there any other team that does this and gets a free pass?
      If Oakland or Cincinnati does this what is the reaction?
      Belicheck has more than earned the benefit of the doubt to take chances on anybody that he wants and they work out a lot of the time. Oakland and Cincinnati would get hammered because they have been laughing stocks in the NFL for the last 10 years for the most part while New England has been to 4 SBs and won 3.
    1. buzmeg's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by FrzzerBwler View Post
      The thought that keeps banging around in my head.
      Pats draft Mallet a move most teams would have been hammered for, Hoody gets a pass.
      Now trades for Haynesworth.
      Is there any other team that does this and gets a free pass?
      If Oakland or Cincinnati does this what is the reaction?
      Didn't the Pats get hammered when they opted to sign both Dillon & Moss, and we know how both of those transactions turned out. Should this work out with Fat Albert, Bill's "genius-ness" will be further advanced. If not, two out of three ain't bad.
    1. midgetman94's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by FrzzerBwler View Post
      The thought that keeps banging around in my head.
      Pats draft Mallet a move most teams would have been hammered for, Hoody gets a pass.
      Now trades for Haynesworth.
      Is there any other team that does this and gets a free pass?
      If Oakland or Cincinnati does this what is the reaction?
      It's about value. When other teams make these moves they typically give up too much. Look at someone like the Vikings, they took Christian Ponder at #12 overall when everyone thought he'd be going in the 2nd-3rd.

      For Haynesworth they gave up a 5th round pick. Sorry, that's tremendous for a former Defensive POY coming into a position of need who has never been on a winning team. They took Mallet in the third round. Are there question marks surrounding him? Certainly. But you can't deny he is talented, and he was projected to go earlier than that.

      The idea behind the Pats philosophy is that value is everything. Players end up as busts all the time. What separates the bad teams from the good ones is that the good ones don't risk it all on questionable guys - they are careful with their pieces and draft picks.