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  • My Take on Andrew Luck

    Andrew Luck has been a hot topic of late. Most have acclaimed him the best QB prospect since 1983 while a few have stated their doubts about his exalted status. I watched numerous Stanford games last year on TV, I went to the Orange Bowl in January to see Stanford play Virginia Tech, and recently, I watched the USC and Oregon games in their entirety. First, let me state that every college QB will have flaws to fix when they turn pro
    ... EVERY QB ... and Luck is no different. What has pro personnel so excited is the fact that Luck has far more outstanding attributes than flaws.

    When I saw Luck play on TV last year something stuck out to me other than his noted attributes. When I went to the Orange Bowl to see Luck live it hit me again. I got to the game early because I wanted to see Luck warm up, I wanted to see if what I thought I saw on TV transcended to seeing him live. While Luck stood still playing catch with his receivers I noticed that he took the ball from holding it at the numbers (good technique) to dropping it down to his waste during his deliberate throwing motion (bad technique). As I watched him, it didn't change throw after throw. While watching him during the game, I didn't see this exaggerated, long, deliberate motion but something still stuck out. This year the TV camera showed him warming up before the USC game and I noticed the same thing that I saw at the Orange Bowl.

    The one flaw that I see is a lack of arm speed. Luck warms up improperly and I believe it has led to his lack of arm speed when he throws in games. In college, a QB can get away with it because his guys are wide open, but in the NFL, he will have to work on getting the ball out of his hands much quicker once he decides to throw the ball. If I were working with Andrew Luck once his season is over, I would focus on drills to speed up his throwing motion. Can this be fixed? Absolutely it can. Andrew Luck will be able to step in and play in the NFL right away. He is smart, athletic, and accurate. He has excellent footwork, he has size, he is physically and mentally tough, and he can lead. Luck will go to a bad football team, he will have to get the ball out of his hands quickly or he will get hit a lot, while getting picked off far too often. I love this young man's upside as a pro QB, I think that he will be terrific, but he does need to clean up a flaw that I see.

    Comments 33 Comments
    1. vancemeek's Avatar
      Excellent job Turk, and something most of us wouldn't notice, or, obvously, have a chance to see. He's going to be the 1st pick, most likely, so hopefully he gets a good QB coach who can fix that particular issue.
    1. brauneyz's Avatar
      Great read again, Turk. This piece got me thinking about these top pick QB's and the prep they do for the NFL. Tom Brady (not a top pick obviously) has worked with his guru in the Bay area since HS, going in for regular tuneups even after achieving all his success. Is this something you think Luck would/should consider?

      Hmmmm .... I have someone in mind.
    1. Turk Schonert's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by brauneyz View Post
      Great read again, Turk. This piece got me thinking about these top pick QB's and the prep they do for the NFL. Tom Brady (not a top pick obviously) has worked with his guru in the Bay area since HS, going in for regular tuneups even after achieving all his success. Is this something you think Luck would/should consider?

      Hmmmm .... I have someone in mind.
      I definitely think that Luck will work with a QB coach/guru. Most coaches/guru's are now tied to an agent. I don't know who his agent is but he needs to find somebody who understands the pro game and can see the things that Luck needs to improve on. Luck doesn't need somebody to get him ready for the combine, he needs somebody who will help get him ready for an NFL season that will launch his career.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      He only has to complete two passes per game to win. He should be able to manage that.

      Nice explanation, Turk. Thanks!
    1. Pruitt's Avatar
      I should ask Turk's permission before I casually drop this information into my next conversation. Seriously, great insight.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      Turk, now that Leinart is taking over for Schaub, do you have any insight on Leinart's issues in this thread?
    1. Turk Schonert's Avatar
      Haven't seen him play in a while but he had poor footwork and very poor ball security in the pocket. I also heard that he needed to work harder and lead better. I heard Jim Mora Jr say today that QB coach Greg Knapp (a good friend of Mora's) really likes Leinart, so maybe Greg has worked with Matt on his weaknesses. I thought that Leinhart's game coming out of college would transcend better to the NFL than it did. He needs good coaching, but better yet, he needs to take to coaching and work hard. I hope he's doing those things in Houston for his teammates sake, because they have a chance to win their division and advance in the playoffs.
    1. Dave Lapham's Avatar
      It amazes me Turk that his Dad Oliver who played QB in the NFL, and his college Head Coach Jim Harbaugh who did the same, have not detected this flaw in his warm up mechanics that is carrying over to hindering his arm speed during the game. You may have helped this kid get off to a better NFL start than he would have. Sometimes I guess you see a kid every day and you don't see the forest through the trees.
    1. StarvinMarvin's Avatar
      I'm curious Turk. Wasn't this the same criticism people had about Tebow? That his delivery started at his waist (or even lower) and was too slow by NFL standards? If I'm not totally off my rocker ( not unheard of btw) why was Tebow considered fatally flawed but Luck can be easily fixed?
    1. mikesteelnation1's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by StarvinMarvin View Post
      I'm curious Turk. Wasn't this the same criticism people had about Tebow? That his delivery started at his waist (or even lower) and was too slow by NFL standards? If I'm not totally off my rocker ( not unheard of btw) why was Tebow considered fatally flawed but Luck can be easily fixed?
      I won't speak for turk, his resume speaks for itself. I'm sure his assessment will make mine look foolish. Tebows entire throwing motion is quite awful. It's not his arm speed that is the only hinderance, its that along with arm trajectory, mixed with release point, and other factors. Tebow played a spread, and now went back to high school to play the veer, luck plays in a pro style set. We know he has a muscle memory from dropping back. Apparently luck doesn't have issues with footwork, release point, arm trajectory. If he did I'm guessing turk would have said so. Tebow has all those issues, mixed with terrible inaccuracy. Comparing one to the other is like comparing a smart car to a ferrari. Too many divergences to make parallels in direct comparison.
    1. mikesteelnation1's Avatar
      The fact that john fox has committed to running bobby bowdens offense from the 70's tells you all you need to know about tebows actual ability to be a pro qb. That's harsh, but true.
    1. walzav31's Avatar
      Could you get a better chain of events if your a Colts fan? Hoping Manning returns and can tutor Luck for a season or two and you have the best potential transistion since Montana to Young.
    1. Phil McConkey's Avatar
      Turk, here's what Phil Simms had to say about Andrew Luck:

      "I just don't see big time NFL throws. I don't care what anybody says. I've watched a lot of him. He never takes it and rips it in there. And you can say what you want but, man, you’ve got to be able to crease that ball every once in a while," Simms said. "There's not a lot of rotation on the ball and there’s not a tremendous amount of power. Not that you need to have that power arm. I’m not saying you’ve got to have that exclusively but, man, it sure helps when you can do that because there’s four or five plays a game it is about arm strength."

      Is his bad technique the reason, as Simms puts, 'he never takes it and rips it in there'?
    1. Turk Schonert's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by StarvinMarvin View Post
      I'm curious Turk. Wasn't this the same criticism people had about Tebow? That his delivery started at his waist (or even lower) and was too slow by NFL standards? If I'm not totally off my rocker ( not unheard of btw) why was Tebow considered fatally flawed but Luck can be easily fixed?
      Luck doesn't drop the ball below his waist in game action. He does it when warming up. It is not his delivery that I am talking about, I'm talking about his arm speed when throwing the ball. His delivery is nothing like Tebow's.
    1. Turk Schonert's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Phil McConkey View Post
      Turk, here's what Phil Simms had to say about Andrew Luck:

      "I just don't see big time NFL throws. I don't care what anybody says. I've watched a lot of him. He never takes it and rips it in there. And you can say what you want but, man, you’ve got to be able to crease that ball every once in a while," Simms said. "There's not a lot of rotation on the ball and there’s not a tremendous amount of power. Not that you need to have that power arm. I’m not saying you’ve got to have that exclusively but, man, it sure helps when you can do that because there’s four or five plays a game it is about arm strength."

      Is his bad technique the reason, as Simms puts, 'he never takes it and rips it in there'?
      Luck doesn't have bad technique when throwing in games, he just needs to increase his arm speed when throwing. That is what Phil is seeing as well. I think that Luck needs to change his warm up mechanics and then have someone work with him in drills to improve his arm speed. Luck many times, looks to methodically throw the ball instead of ripping it.
    1. ScottDCP's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Turk Schonert View Post
      Luck doesn't have bad technique when throwing in games, he just needs to increase his arm speed when throwing. That is what Phil is seeing as well. I think that Luck needs to change his warm up mechanics and then have someone work with him in drills to improve his arm speed. Luck many times, looks to methodically throw the ball instead of ripping it.
      Similar to Trent Edwards' delivery? I ask because I haven't ever seen Luck play.
    1. Turk Schonert's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by ScottDCP View Post
      Similar to Trent Edwards' delivery? I ask because I haven't ever seen Luck play.
      No, Trent has a very compact, short delivery. His arm speed is fine. His short, compact delivery does affect his long throws IMO.
    1. ScottDCP's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Turk Schonert View Post
      No, Trent has a very compact, short delivery. His arm speed is fine. His short, compact delivery does affect his long throws IMO.
      So different cause, similar result?
    1. bluestree's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Turk Schonert View Post
      No, Trent has a very compact, short delivery. His arm speed is fine. His short, compact delivery does affect his long throws IMO.
      That reminds me of criticisms I've read about Jeff Tedford coached qb's. Ball held very tight and high throughout the delivery, works in his system, but doesn't translate in the NFL. Is it the same kind of thing with Edwards? If so, Aaron Rodgers seemed to fix his shortcomings. Is that one of the benefits of having time to develop? Luck will play right away. Could that hurt him, Turk? You seem to think not.
    1. Ripperlicious's Avatar
      Didn't David Carr have arm speed problems which leads to his propensity for getting sacked? I'm not saying that was Carr's ONLY problem, he couldn't go through his progressions very quickly as well, which Luck has shown he' adept at.