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  • Repeat Performances?

    When the 6-5 Giants host the 11-0 Packers on Sunday afternoon, it looks like a battle of teams both headed in opposite directions. For Green Bay, an 18th consecutive overall victory would put them that much closer to an undefeated season and New England’s record of 21 straight wins from 2003-04 (the Colts own the regular-season mark with 23 consecutive victories from 2008-09). And ironically for QB Aaron Rodgers and company, the 2003-04 Patriots are also the last team to repeat as Super Bowl champions.

    Speaking of the Pats, they were the last team Tom Coughlin’s club defeated this season, ending the team’s 20-game regular season winning streak at Foxborough and wrapping up a 6-2 start for Big Blue. But ever that rousing victory it’s been rough sledding for the Giants, who have lost 3 in a row to the 49ers, Giants and Saints, the latter on Monday night courtesy of a 49-24 blowout.

    Most are quick to point out New York’s longtime trend of strong first-halves and so-so stretch runs for this franchise under Coughlin dating back to arrival in 2004,but the numbers show that Jim Fassel’s final season as head coach also featured a second-half collapse as the ’03 Giants opened 4-4 then lost their final 8 games to finish 4-12. Dating back to that season, the G-Men are an impressive 51-21 in their first 8 contests of the season (.708) compared to just 24-43 (.358) the final half of the year.

    We also seem to forget the recent history of this club in terms of win-loss marks. In back-to-back seasons in 2006 and ’07, the Giants finished 8-8 and 10-6, the former resulting in a Wild Card berth (and loss to the Eagles in the playoffs) and the latter one of the great postseason runs as Coughlin’s squad won road playoff games at Tampa, Dallas and Lambeau Field and then stunned the unbeaten Patriots in Super Bowl XLII.

    But the football gods of sorts can be cruel. Following a 12-4 finish in ’08 in which they were the NFC’s number-one seed but failed to win a playoff game, New York finished 8-8 and 10-6, respectively, in consecutive seasons in 2009 and ’10,. The former featured a 3-8 finish after a 5-0 start and no playoff berth, while the latter had them and the 10-6 Buccaneers on the outside looking in come postseason invite time.

    So once again here comes the stretch run and these injury-plagued Giants aren’t playing their best football. But they still have a chance to turn things around considering they have a pair of games remaining with the 7-4 first-place Cowboys. Of course, the odds of them winning the NFC East would certainly drop if they fall 2 games behind this weekend with 4 to play, but stranger things have happened--to not only the Giants but Dallas as well.

    Comments 20 Comments
    1. Amy's Avatar
      Grantland has an article today about the Giants collapse tendency over the past few years. At the end, they toss out an interesting stat. Going back to 2k4, the Giants opponents in the first half of the season had a .448 winning percentage, and in the second half a .561. This year it's even worse - over the first 8 games .386, and over the last 8, .637.
    1. Russell S Baxter's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Amy View Post
      Grantland has an article today about the Giants collapse tendency over the past few years. At the end, they toss out an interesting stat. Going back to 2k4, the Giants opponents in the first half of the season had a .448 winning percentage, and in the second half a .561. This year it's even worse - over the first 8 games .386, and over the last 8, .637.
      That is interesting. So many different factors go into this but it's still amazing that it's gone on as long as it has, including the year before Tom Coughlin arrived. It's like the anti Bengals, who this season posted only the third winning first half since 1991. The other years were 2005 and '09, their only playoff appearances over that span as well. Hard to figure...
    1. Turk Schonert's Avatar
      Jim Fassel's last year wasn't a collapse. The team was decimated with injuries. I was on that staff. We had 3 starters on offense make it thru the season. Our QB in the 2nd half was Jesse Palmer (yes ... the bachelor). All of our starting DB's were injured, Strahan missed games, as well as many other starters on defense. We were playing with guys off the street and really didn't have much of a chance to win games. Numbers don't always tell the story, you have to understand the story behind the numbers. This Giants team started the season with injuries and it's continued throughout. I think that they overachieved the first half (Eli single handedly carried the offense), and the plethora of injuries has caught up with the them more than it being about the Giants collapsing.
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      You tell 'em, Turk. This is why this site is the best.
    1. Russell S Baxter's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Turk Schonert View Post
      Jim Fassel's last year wasn't a collapse. The team was decimated with injuries. I was on that staff. We had 3 starters on offense make it thru the season. Our QB in the 2nd half was Jesse Palmer (yes ... the bachelor). All of our starting DB's were injured, Strahan missed games, as well as many other starters on defense. We were playing with guys off the street and really didn't have much of a chance to win games. Numbers don't always tell the story, you have to understand the story behind the numbers. This Giants team started the season with injuries and it's continued throughout. I think that they overachieved the first half (Eli single handedly carried the offense), and the plethora of injuries has caught up with the them more than it being about the Giants collapsing.
      Point well taken, Turk, and you would know better than I. Obviously, every season is different. I think the point I was trying to make (and perhaps didn't do it clearly) was that it's hard to figure these things and the fact that this has only happened during the Coughlin Era is inaccurate. Honestly, I think these trends to me are more coincidental than anything else because different teams, different players, etc. Thank you for the insight!
    1. darvon's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Turk Schonert View Post
      This Giants team started the season with injuries and it's continued throughout. I think that they overachieved the first half (Eli single handedly carried the offense), and the plethora of injuries has caught up with the them more than it being about the Giants collapsing.

      But couldn't you have said the same thing about GB last year?

      Injury handling is a positive trait of a team. I have a feeling (no research) that injury handling is a facet of how the personnel of a team is structured/selected. It isn't simply a superior team's overwhelming the injuries to victory.


      Perhaps GB was better at injury handling last year than NYG is this year.

      Perhaps NYG isn't built with good crumple-zones.
    1. Ripperlicious's Avatar
      Funny darvon, I was just about to ask the same question.

      I think if it wasn't for the 2007 playoff run (which I still believe had some divine influence going on - Tyree's catch, never playing again, etc..), Coughlin would be compared to Marty Schottenheimer (i.e. solid regular seasons, underacheiving playoffs).

      Coughlin's Jags teams were the same way. I'm no fan of Tiki Barber, but maybe he's got a point.
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by darvon View Post
      But couldn't you have said the same thing about GB last year?

      Injury handling is a positive trait of a team. I have a feeling (no research) that injury handling is a facet of how the personnel of a team is structured/selected. It isn't simply a superior team's overwhelming the injuries to victory.


      Perhaps GB was better at injury handling last year than NYG is this year.

      Perhaps NYG isn't built with good crumple-zones.
      Teams with superior talent on the second & third strings and practice squads are the teams best built to withstand injuries. See: 2010 Packers, '00's Steelers

      For the antithesesis of the above contention see: 2011 Lions (except for defensive line)
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by GoBigOrGoHome View Post
      Teams with superior talent on the second & third strings and practice squads are the teams best built to withstand injuries.

      You can't pay enough for insight like this!

      Just kidding you, Biggie.
    1. iwatt's Avatar
      To be fair with the 2010 Packers, the injury bug hit them in different units. That is a lot different than when it hits you in one unit. For example, the Rams have 9 DBs in IR. If those 9 IR guys were spread on WRs, OL, DL, LB etc... they probably wouldn't stink as badly as they do.

      The G-men are recovering from their injuries to the secondary now that Prince AK is back, but they now have a hole at Linebacker.

      Next man up is different than Next after Next after Next....
    1. vancemeek's Avatar
      But ever that rousing victory it’s been rough sledding for the Giants, who have lost 3 in a row to the 49ers, Giants and Saints, the latter on Monday night courtesy of a 49-24 blowout.
      I think you meant Eagles, although you could argue they've beaten themselves a few times. But I digress.

      I think the schedule has been particularly brutal this season, but they have to overcome that if they want to be considered a top team. They've backed themselves into a corner where they pretty much have to beat Dallas twice now, assuming they don't beat Green Bay, and even then probably still. It's a tough break that Dallas has a pretty easy schedule in the 2nd half, while the Giants play their toughest games, but it happens.
    1. Turk Schonert's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by darvon View Post
      But couldn't you have said the same thing about GB last year?

      Injury handling is a positive trait of a team. I have a feeling (no research) that injury handling is a facet of how the personnel of a team is structured/selected. It isn't simply a superior team's overwhelming the injuries to victory.


      Perhaps GB was better at injury handling last year than NYG is this year.

      Perhaps NYG isn't built with good crumple-zones.
      Injuries are a part of the game and teams need to handle the situations, but teams also need to have their play makers stay healthy. Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, and Charles Woodson stayed healthy last year for the Packers. They are GB's top 3 play makers, therefore the play callers didn't have to change much.
    1. darvon's Avatar
      Certainly QB is a lynchpin. GB did lose some pretty important pieces. But NE lost Brady and still made 11 wins.

      I think there are team designs which lend itself to redundancy and high "uptime". The GMs really have an interesting task in designing a team.
    1. BuckeyeRidley's Avatar
      Thanks Russ. The Giants have a chance. It could be like the Seahawks at home in the sense that they beat playoff capable teams at home even though they shouldn't be the winner. SEA played well with the Eagles & the Giants could play sound & well structured Football. Keep in mind that this team is still able to make the playoffs in my opinion. Their only competition for the NFC East is DAL & that whole division is either inconsistent with winning or on the downs for certain. NYG will surprise people on SUN whether they win at all or keep up with the Packers despite their Swagness on offense.
    1. mikesteelnation1's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by GoBigOrGoHome View Post
      Teams with superior talent on the second & third strings and practice squads are the teams best built to withstand injuries. See: 2010 Packers, '00's Steelers

      For the antithesesis of the above contention see: 2011 Lions (except for defensive line)
      Amen for our depth biggie!! Without that, with our physical style we would be a middle of the road team. Thank god for Kevin colbert.

      It's a testament to the giants they are even above .500 with the d backfield they have due to those injuries and all those missed games from the rbs in an offense predicated around the run first.
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by mikesteelnation1 View Post
      Amen for our depth biggie!! Without that, with our physical style we would be a middle of the road team. Thank god for Kevin colbert.

      It's a testament to the giants they are even above .500 with the d backfield they have due to those injuries and all those missed games from the rbs in an offense predicated around the run first.
      Before joining the Steelers, Kevin Colbert spent a decade working for the - wait for it - Detroit Lions. He left the Lions in 2000 to go home to Pittsburgh (he grew up there) and work for the Steelers. When the Leos hired one Matt Millen as President & GM in 2002, the moustache's first move was to fire the bulk of the front office & scouting staffs. Included in that purge was Colbert's former boss & mentor Ron Hughes. When Hughes came available, Colbert hired him in Steeltown where Hughes now serves as College Scouting Coordinator.

      That's right. If you go to the steelers' website and navigate your way to the front office staff listings, the first two names you will find are Kevin Colbert (GM) and Ron Hughes. And both of them were last employed by the Lions prior to their very successful tenures in Pittsburgh.

      Dammit.

    1. Curtis's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by GoBigOrGoHome View Post
      Before joining the Steelers, Kevin Colbert spent a decade working for the - wait for it - Detroit Lions. He left the Lions in 2000 to go home to Pittsburgh (he grew up there) and work for the Steelers. When the Leos hired one Matt Millen as President & GM in 2002, the moustache's first move was to fire the bulk of the front office & scouting staffs. Included in that purge was Colbert's former boss & mentor Ron Hughes. When Hughes came available, Colbert hired him in Steeltown where Hughes now serves as College Scouting Coordinator.

      That's right. If you go to the steelers' website and navigate your way to the front office staff listings, the first two names you will find are Kevin Colbert (GM) and Ron Hughes. And both of them were last employed by the Lions prior to their very successful tenures in Pittsburgh.

      Dammit.

      How did Millen last as long as he did? Are signs still banned in Detroit? I'm all for everyone with a ticket bringing the "WTF?? is going on out here" with Vince Lombardi's pic sign.

      Funny how some teams benefit from the stupidity of others. Millen is a PSU alumni and that's about as far as my respect goes. He was a colossal burrito and bean turd in Detroit and still stinks on NFLN and his football commentary. Flush him quick.
    1. mikesteelnation1's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by GoBigOrGoHome View Post
      Before joining the Steelers, Kevin Colbert spent a decade working for the - wait for it - Detroit Lions. He left the Lions in 2000 to go home to Pittsburgh (he grew up there) and work for the Steelers. When the Leos hired one Matt Millen as President & GM in 2002, the moustache's first move was to fire the bulk of the front office & scouting staffs. Included in that purge was Colbert's former boss & mentor Ron Hughes. When Hughes came available, Colbert hired him in Steeltown where Hughes now serves as College Scouting Coordinator.

      That's right. If you go to the steelers' website and navigate your way to the front office staff listings, the first two names you will find are Kevin Colbert (GM) and Ron Hughes. And both of them were last employed by the Lions prior to their very successful tenures in Pittsburgh.

      Dammit.

      Steel city thanks motor city for the gaffe!!

      Sorry biggie
    1. Dave Lapham's Avatar
      Developing roster depth is as important a factor as there is to success in the NFL. Every team will have to deal with the "next man in" factor. How ready to contribute is the next man in. It was one of the keys to the Packers successful run. But I als agree with Turk.....there a re key players you just can't replace with the next man in. Injuries are the one variable that a coach can't control. It causes gray hair, or loss of hair as it is being torn out by the roots.
    1. Ragar's Avatar
      And on the injury front, both GB's inside LB's Hawk and Bishop, are out for the game on Sunday.