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  • Dynasty Intact

    For the fifth time in 11 seasons, the New England Patriots are headed back to the Super Bowl. It’s been quite a run for a franchise that has had its ups and downs throughout its history. From the early days of the AFL when the then-Boston Patriots were often competitive but never able to win a league title, to the latter years of the Chuck Fairbanks Era of the mid- and late 1970s when the team emerged as contender, to the miserable 2-14 and 1-15 campaigns of 1981 and 1990, respectively, to the Raymond Berry and Bill Parcells Super Bowl squads of 1985 and 1996, respectively.

    It all began in 2000 with the hiring of head coach Bill Belichick and the selection of QB Tom Brady with the 199th pick (sixth round), although we wouldn’t know that for more than a year. But on a late Sunday afternoon in Week 2 of the 2001 season in what would be the team’s final season at Foxboro Stadium, then-starting QB Drew Bledsoe was leveled by Jets’ LB Mo Lewis, Brady entered in relief and the rest was NFL history. New England would go onto win Super Bowl XXXVI with opportunistic defense and special teams that scored as many touchdowns in 3 playoff games (3) as did the offensive unit (3) enroute to wins over the Raiders, Steelers and Rams. A year later, a 3-0 start was followed by 7 losses in their final 13 games and the failure to make the playoffs at 9-7 relegated the ’01 team more of a Cinderella story than a budding power.

    But 2003 and 2004 would produce back-to-back 14-2 campaigns and 2 more Super Bowl wins over the Panthers and Eagles, respectively. In the midst of those seasons was an NFL-record 21 straight overall wins, a mark the 2010 and ’11 Packers fell 2 games short of this season. Belihchick’s team was somewhat quickly anointed a dynasty, although that notion was somewhat peculiar (at least in this writer’s opinion) because 3 titles in 4 years don’t necessarily indicate longevity, especially when the one season saw them fail to reach the playoffs.

    In recent seasons, the Patriots have almost gone out of their way not to win a Super Bowl, although it wasn’t for a lack of trying. In 2005, a new-look team finished 10-6 and won the AFC East but would eventually be bounced in the AFC Divisional Playoffs by the Broncos. Belichick’s club was the fourth seed in the AFC in 2006 and would own a 21-3 second-quarter lead at Indianapolis in the AFC title game only to fall, 38-34. The Pats looked like they would make history in ’07, but 18-0 turned into 18-1 in a Super Bowl loss to the Giants. A year later, Brady went down with a knee injury in the first quarter of the first game and QB Matt Cassel took over, but even an 11-5 record wasn’t good enough to qualify for the playoffs.

    The previous 2 seasons have been extremely interesting. Once again, New England captured the AFC East and in both instances finished 8-0 at home during the regular season. But home-field advantage was wasted both years as the visiting Ravens ran roughshod over the Patriots’ defense in the ’09 Wild Card Game and Rex Ryan’s Jets harassed Brady all day in the 2010 Divisional Playoffs, eliminating the AFC’s top-seeded team.

    But the Patriots weren’t going to go quietly and after falling to 5-3 following consecutive midseason losses to the Steelers and Giants, Belichick and company certainly vulnerable. But the Pats haven’t lost since falling to Eli Manning and company in Week 9 and would wind up winning the AFC East by 5 games. And a rout of the Broncos and an escape act vs. the Ravens has New England back in the Big Game once again.

    It all adds up to 11 consecutive winning seasons, 9 of those resulting in playoff appearances and 5 of those in the Super Bowl. And while the Patriots haven’t won the whole thing since 2004, this dynasty is alive and well and is showing no indications of slowing down. And both Brady and Belichick can put themselves in extremely rare company with a win next Sunday.

    So it’s the Packers of the ‘60s, the Steelers of the ‘70s, the 49ers of the ‘80s (as well as part of the ‘90s) and the Cowboys of the ‘90s. Now add the Patriots of the ‘00s into the ‘10s. The next question is that which of these dynastic runs is not only the best but the most impressive?

    Comments 24 Comments
    1. iwatt's Avatar
      the Bears of the 40s!!!

      Not sure how to judge this one, but I think I'd have to say the Steelers. 4 SBs in 6 years is quite a feat. And the went to the playoffs 8 years in the 70s.
    1. Hoser's Avatar
      The Niners played in the NFC Championship game in 1981, 1983, 1984, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1994 & 1998.
      Granted...they went 5-5 in those games but that is a pretty impressive run of playing for a chance to go to the SB. Think about it...10 out of 18 NFC Championships had the Niners as a contestant. So if the Pats can stay competitive for another decade they will approach the bar that the Niners set.
      Curse you free agency and the dawn of football parity.
    1. iwatt's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Hoser View Post
      The Niners played in the NFC Championship game in 1981, 1983, 1984, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1994 & 1998.
      Granted...they went 5-5 in those games but that is a pretty impressive run of playing for a chance to go to the SB. Think about it...10 out of 18 NFC Championships had the Niners as a contestant. So if the Pats can stay competitive for another decade they will approach the bar that the Niners set.
      Curse you free agency and the dawn of football parity.
      wow. Why not 10 and 20?

      In any case, wow! What happened in 85-87?
    1. Pruitt's Avatar
      Steelers between 72-79 went 87-27-1, winning the division every year (and it wasn't exactly the NFC West - the Oilers and Bengals had nice runs as well).

      They also won 4 Super Bowls and were 14-4 in the playoffs during that run.

      These stats make me wonder how much happier my life could have been...
    1. Dave Lapham's Avatar
      All of these "dynasty" runs are impressive. My question is...which decade was it tougher to make the run..the '60s, 70's, 80's, 90's or 2000's?
    1. iwatt's Avatar
      In the 70's it was about juicing.

      In th 80's and 90's it was about loading your roster with FAs.

      In the 2000s, it was about filming your opponent's practices

      The most impressive Dynasty was the Brown's with Otto Graham and then Jim Brown.
    1. Colts01's Avatar
      I don't think I ever wanted a team to beat another team as badly as I wanted the '07 Giants to win that Super bowl against the Pats.(At the time Eli was still just Peyton's lil bro,still is for Colts fans)It happened and awww shucks Eli took out Brady and his man purse and the Evil Empire.
      Over time Brady and Palpatine have become not so evil to me and there are games now I actually root for the Pats.(Thank you Rex Ryan)
      I think most rational people on both sides of the Peyton/Brady fence have come to have a great respect for each while still wanting to whip them on Sunday's.
      Yes, I want the Giants to win this Sunday but I know without a doubt on Sunday when the Pats Offense comes out they will have the greatest QB since Joe Montana was a 49er leading them.
    1. Amy's Avatar
      Good article - but it began when Bob Kraft Bought the team. Don't forget, we made the '96 Superbowl, too. While we hit it big with Brady, we did well before him, too.

      We have the best owner. Since he bought the team, we've been to 7 AFC Championships and won 6 of them, and are 3-2 in Superbowls, and soon, I hope, that becomes 4-2. Brady has made 6 AFC Championships and is 5-1, and wants to play 5 more years. So, that means two more chances for him, on average.

      4 more quarters. And while Vegas has us a the faves, we really feel like the Underdogs, it's like everyone is rooting against us. Which is fine with me.
    1. Nancy's Avatar
      It happened and awww shucks Eli took out Brady and his man purse and the Evil Empire.
      Ahhhh, Colts, couldn't have described it better myself.

      I dislike Brady and the Pats only in the nicest possible way, meaning that I really don't like Belechik, but that team is otherworldly good; there have been many seasons when they honestly seemed to have no apparent weaknesses. This is what made them so despicable

      The only team I have ever seen that actually scared me right in my own home from hundreds of miles away were those '70s Steelers teams: nasty mean and just better than everyone else to boot.
    1. Russell S Baxter's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Amy View Post
      Good article - but it began when Bob Kraft Bought the team. Don't forget, we made the '96 Superbowl, too. While we hit it big with Brady, we did well before him, too.

      We have the best owner. Since he bought the team, we've been to 7 AFC Championships and won 6 of them, and are 3-2 in Superbowls, and soon, I hope, that becomes 4-2. Brady has made 6 AFC Championships and is 5-1, and wants to play 5 more years. So, that means two more chances for him, on average.

      4 more quarters. And while Vegas has us a the faves, we really feel like the Underdogs, it's like everyone is rooting against us. Which is fine with me.
      Why I get your point with Mr. Kraft, who I have enormous respect for, the dynastic run began with the hiring of Belichick and the growth of Brady, although Bill Parcells put a lof of those pieces in place with his drafting in the mid-'90s...The Steelers' dynasty didn't begin until 1972 although Chuck Noll was hired in 1969, the 49ers won their first Super Bowl in 1981 even though Bill Walsh came aboard in 1979, etc...It takes a year or three to get your footing...Glad you enjoyed the piece...
    1. Docta's Avatar
      I'd have to say that the Steelers dynasty is most impressive. They won 4, and I'd be scared to even be in the same room as that defense.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Amy View Post
      Good article - but it began when Bob Kraft Bought the team. Don't forget, we made the '96 Superbowl, too. While we hit it big with Brady, we did well before him, too.
      '86. And New England was about as overmatched as anyone has ever been in a Super Bowl. That was a slaughter.

      Certainly New England had occasional good seasons before Belichick. So do many teams. Nobody, not even Parcells, could match what Evil Bill has sustained year to year. It's a hell of an accomplishment, even more so in light of Belichick's problems in Cleveland.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      Steelers were the scariest. Probably felt like the most dominant because of their physical game.

      The 49ers with Bill Walsh at the helm were seemingly unstoppable. Nobody had an answer to that offense. So if the Steelers were the hardest, the 9ers were the smartest.

      The Cowboys, like the Packer and the Steelers, were essentially one superb group of men that kept winning until they just wore out.

      The Patriots are more like the Walsh 49ers, able to keep winning while changing core players. With one notable exception. And that would be Tom Brady. And for that reason, it's hard for me to separate Belichick from his QB when it comes to accounting for New England's success. If Belichick ever wins a title with another QB, it'll help me resolve my opinion on the matter.
    1. BuckeyeRidley's Avatar
      The Patriots have been able to sustain so well because of the coaching. Look at when Brady went out in 2008 & Matt Cassel came in after not having started since high school! Coaching like that, despite missing the playoffs with an 11-5 record, is pretty amazing. Winning 4 SB wins would tie Chuck Knoll; Pretty impressive.

      Brady just gets it done, also. He's been able to take what his own team gives him! He doesn't always like the front office moves to cut certain guys but yet he can work with who he has. 4 SB wins would tie Joe Montana, who Brady looked up to as a kid.

      Then you take how the Krafts have done business in Football with the front office moves that wind up working anyway. Despite the defense not scaring anyone, they have put players on the field that are buying into Belichick's way. That's just the stuff of winners. This era is among the Legendary Tales of The League.
    1. msclemons's Avatar
      The one thing all of these dynasties had in common was a HoF quarterback (and great defenses).

      Bart Starr
      Terry Bradshaw
      Joe Montana - Steve Young
      Troy Aikman
      Tom Brady

      Every one of these dynasties collapsed once they lost the guy that Mike Singletary referred to as "just one of eleven players on offense." The 49ers run lasted a bit longer because they managed to have two HoF QBs back-to-back.

      I'd have to pick the Steelers as the best of the bunch simply because that defense was insanely good. The 1976 defense that didn't make the super bowl may have been the best ever. Less than 10 points per game allowed, 5 shutouts. Just ridiculous.
    1. cml's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by wxwax View Post
      '86. And New England was about as overmatched as anyone has ever been in a Super Bowl. That was a slaughter.

      Certainly New England had occasional good seasons before Belichick. So do many teams. Nobody, not even Parcells, could match what Evil Bill has sustained year to year. It's a hell of an accomplishment, even more so in light of Belichick's problems in Cleveland.
      I think the reference was to the 96 Super Bowl against the Packers.

      As to which is the most impressive, the differences in era make that particularly hard to judge. Free agency and rules changes being the two biggest factors.
    1. mikesteelnation1's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Docta View Post
      I'd have to say that the Steelers dynasty is most impressive. They won 4, and I'd be scared to even be in the same room as that defense.
      As well you should given our best defense was sold short on offense. Our best defensive team, perhaps the best in the history of the game. Our offense lost the Afc champ game in 76. Both Harris an bleier were hurt. Should have been 5 of 6, not 4 of 6. Had Franco been healthy, it would have been. Alas, he wasn't. That's life. That d was so totally ridiculous it doesn't have words... That many shut outs? Really?

      Now take away points for the pats spy gate incident. This "dynasty" isn't as good as the others. They won using film that was dirty. That's fact....
    1. vancemeek's Avatar
      I don't think the Pats "dynasty"quite matches up the Niners or Steelers (although I'd rank it ahead of the Cowboys), but I'm so tired of hearing about Spygate. That's the most overblown "incident" in the NFL's history. Jimmy Johnson said a lot of coaches do it first of all, and admitted to doing it, adding that it didn't even help. The Pats denied, and Goodell agreed, that the Pats did not tape the Rams prior to the Super Bowl, and Belichek says they never taped another team's walkthrough. They won the Super Bowls because they were a better team, period. Spygate is just an excuse for jealous fans as to why their own team didn't win it.
    1. cml's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by vancemeek View Post
      I don't think the Pats "dynasty"quite matches up the Niners or Steelers (although I'd rank it ahead of the Cowboys), but I'm so tired of hearing about Spygate. That's the most overblown "incident" in the NFL's history. Jimmy Johnson said a lot of coaches do it first of all, and admitted to doing it, adding that it didn't even help. The Pats denied, and Goodell agreed, that the Pats did not tape the Rams prior to the Super Bowl, and Belichek says they never taped another team's walkthrough. They won the Super Bowls because they were a better team, period. Spygate is just an excuse for jealous fans as to why their own team didn't win it.
      Absolutely, this.

      I personally would take the Niners as the most impressive, since it survived changing coaches and changing quarterbacks. To me, that's a stunningly impressive feat.
    1. Ragar's Avatar
      As typical, people forget their history.

      Packers the 3 years pre-Lombardi: defensively in points scored: 12th, 12th and 12th (out of 12 teams)
      Lombardi comes in '59: 6th in '59, not less then 2nd the next 7 years, and 3rd in the 8th('67).
      Championships '61', '62, then '65, '66, '67 only 2nd team to win 3 Championships in a row(and 5 in 7 years)...oh yeah the '29-'31 Packers
      The other years: won Western Division in '60 lost to Philly in Championship 17-13, went 12-2-1 in '63- losing out to Chicago(11-1-2) who won the Championship over the Giants, '64 aws the "bad year" going 8-5-1 and finishing 2nd in the West to 12-2 Balitmore

      so in a 8 year period, made 6 Championship games going 5-1, then went 2-0 vs the undercard AFL in '66, '67. So in an 8 year period, went 8-1 in the playoffs, winning 5 Championships.