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  • Contributors


    Cris Collinsworth

    Former Pro Bowl wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals and Emmy-winning analyst from Sunday Night Football and Inside the NFL.
    Dave Lapham
    Has called game for the Bengals radio network for 25 years. Analyst for Big 12 games on Fox Sports Net. Played 10 years in the NFL for the Cincinnati Bengals.
    Turk Schonert
    NFL quarterback for 10 years with the Bengals and Falcons. Has served as quarterback coach for the Buccaneers, Bills, Panthers, Giants and Saints and Offensive Coordinator for the Bills.
    Phil McConkey
    Played 6 years in the NFL as a WR, punt returner and kick returner for the Giants, Packers, Cardinals and Chargers. Played college football at the Naval Academy and served in the U.S. Navy before joining the NFL. Best remembered for his oustanding game in Super Bowl XXI.
    Josina Anderson
    Josina "JoJo" Anderson is contributing reporter on Showtime's Inside the NFL and is a weekend co-anchor/reporter/producer for FOX 31 Sports in Denver, Colorado. Josina produces the nightly sportscasts and covers the Denver Broncos, Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche, and the Colorado Rockies.
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    Researcher, writer and editor covering the NFL for over 30 years.
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  • Pro Bowl Idea

    The Commissioner was not happy to say the least with the Pro Bowl. After agreeing that it was a joke I offered this suggestion, why not go back to the old College All-Star Game. The college players all go to All-Star games to impress NFL scouts, why not let them play the NFL's best in Hawaii. The college players could get an early payday and the NFL stars would be forced to bring their A-game or get their butt handed to them. It would be 100 times more interesting than that brother-in-law game we just watched. What do you think?

    Comments 59 Comments
    1. LongSufferingBucsFan's Avatar
      You suppose their health insurance costs more than yours?
      Probably, but at least they can afford theirs. I had to drop mine do to skyrocketing costs, but that's a topic for another forum!
      And finally, a half-hearted effort is exactly what they put in!
      No, what they gave was a half-ass effort.
    1. Trumpetbdw's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by LongSufferingBucsFan View Post
      As far as injuries go, there's risk in everything.
      Very true. Which is what makes the Pro Bowl even more unnecessary. Pro football is defined, in part, by the violent nature of the sport, and the risk of injury that comes along with it. So why add additional injury risk in the form of a completely meaningless game? And yes they play half-hearted, but often times, it's the half-hearted effort that ends up getting people hurt. Non-contact injuries don't require contact, or much effort, to occur. Yet, those are the most dangerous (The People would like to call upon Robert Edwards).

      Are they going to quit having pre-season football because of injuries?
      Well, with all the talk last year about shrinking the pre-season to 2 games, and adding meaningful games, absolutely. Money was one aspect. Injuries were the other big aspect as to why the NFL is trying to eliminate as many meaningless games as possible.

      And at least the pre-season does serve a purpose. To prepare for the regular season. What purpose does the pro bowl serve, other than a glorified, back-slapping get-together between the best in the game? They have banquets for stuff like that. If you want to televise it, fine, but we don't need a game.
    1. Colts01's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
      Fantastic! Cris and Cosell is just a stadium full of awesome.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf2300 View Post
      Agreed. There is no need to actually play a 'Pro Bowl' game. The players are obviously not playing very hard, and who can blame them? Why suffer a serious injury in a truly meaningless exhibition? I would say to just have a ceremony in New York city to honor the All-Pros, and then have a 2 round Pro-Am golf tournament with some of the players. These guys don't need a Hawaii trip, the league should save their money. Just rent a nice golf course and a decent banquet hall, serve some chicken and rice, hand out plaques, play some golf and be done with it. The fans really, really don't care about the Pro Bowl.

      12 million cared enough to watch the game.
    1. LongSufferingBucsFan's Avatar
      12 million cared enough to watch the game.
      I wonder how many of those recorded the game in order to watch it later, then deleted it after the 1st quarter like we did.
    1. Trumpetbdw's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
      12 million cared enough to watch the game.
      Ok, let's go with that number. The nfl barely edged the MLB all star game in total viewers despite the fact that baseball can't normally touch the NFL when it comes to viewing audience. Plus, that figure represented a significant drop from previous yrs. Annually , the MLB game represents a significant rise in viewers from its regular season numbers.

      The NFL Avg nearly 20 million viewers over the regular season, so 12 mil represents roughly a 40% drop. Those aren't numbers the NFL will choose to brag about.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Trumpetbdw View Post
      Ok, let's go with that number. The nfl barely edged the MLB all star game in total viewers despite the fact that baseball can't normally touch the NFL when it comes to viewing audience. Plus, that figure represented a significant drop from previous yrs. Annually , the MLB game represents a significant rise in viewers from its regular season numbers.

      The NFL Avg nearly 20 million viewers over the regular season, so 12 mil represents roughly a 40% drop. Those aren't numbers the NFL will choose to brag about.

      IMO your argument is still based on your expecting the Pro Bowl to be more than it is. A little more first quarter hustle and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the game as it is now.

      FWIW though I do think it would be cool if they made guys switch positions for the game.
    1. Trumpetbdw's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
      IMO your argument is still based on your expecting the Pro Bowl to be more than it is. A little more first quarter hustle and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the game as it is now.

      FWIW though I do think it would be cool if they made guys switch positions for the game.
      I'm not expecting the Pro Bowl to be more than it is. Quite the opposite. I think it's a completely unnecessary injury risk to add to players used to playing with the increased likelihood of injury that the NFL naturally brings into the equation. If they want to keep the format as is, fine, but don't get mad when players don't show up or choose to simply go through the motions (especially considering the dumbed down defensive rules), and millions of regular viewers tune out. I just don't think that adding "more importance" to it will do any good whatsoever, and I think the best result is that it is done away with entirely.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Trumpetbdw View Post
      Ok, let's go with that number. The nfl barely edged the MLB all star game in total viewers despite the fact that baseball can't normally touch the NFL when it comes to viewing audience. Plus, that figure represented a significant drop from previous yrs. Annually , the MLB game represents a significant rise in viewers from its regular season numbers.

      The NFL Avg nearly 20 million viewers over the regular season, so 12 mil represents roughly a 40% drop. Those aren't numbers the NFL will choose to brag about.
      All true. And yet 12 million viewers is a very healthy number for a network. They'd like more, I'm sure, but they're not likely to dump it.
    1. hobbes27's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by wxwax View Post
      All true. And yet 12 million viewers is a very healthy number for a network. They'd like more, I'm sure, but they're not likely to dump it.
      12 million is fine for now. But if the game is a joke that nobody takes seriously, then viewers are gonna drop off left and right. That is Goodell's concern. The NBA all-star game isn't something that the players take too seriously, yet its still done in an entertaining way that people might watch it anyway. That is what Goodell is looking to find. And yes, I know the NFL all-star game does better than the NBA all-star game, but Goodell doesn't want it to get to the point that its a complete joke. Bad for the product as a whole.
    1. Swami's Avatar
      Well, the game's been a joke for years so immediate drop-off is unlikely. Heck, if they can peddle this garbage to 12 million viewers and the sliver of revenues is worth it to them, then they are free to do so. I commented about it sullying the brand, but it isn't really sold as if it's going to be a game for the ages and people know what to expect when they tune in or attend - which would appear to be one more opportunity to wager and nothing else - so maybe it doesn't sully the brand, though it sure doesn't help it.

      The point of "why not do away with pre-season" is interesting as they pretty much have! The truth is that pro football in the modern era with modern body forms is dangerous and exhibitions will not take place in any semblance of reality. That aspect is unfixable. Efforts to do so will fail and the backlash after a star went down from a "new format" would be immediate and explosive. Not gonna happen.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      For perspective, the Pro Bowl this yearmore than doubled the ratings of any of NBC's regular programming shown the week prior. In fact, one hour of the Pro Bowl almost beat the entire NBC primetime lineup ratings COMBINED.

      Add to that, the state of Hawaii pays the NFL to host the game if I'm not mistaken because its a great advertising tool.
    1. Russell S Baxter's Avatar
      I was hoping someone brought up the College All-Star Game. If memory serves, the final year was 1976 and that game was suspended in a driving rainstorm in the third quarter at Soldier Field with the all stars losing to the Steelers. By all means, bring it back!!!
    1. darvon's Avatar
      The truth is that pro football in the modern era with modern body forms is dangerous and exhibitions will not take place in any semblance of reality.
      Agree but with addition.

      Football in the modern era with the modern body forms, and the modern incomes, is dangerous and potentially extremely expensive to both player and club. As you said, exhibitions will not take place in any semblance of reality.

      Too much Lost $$ too much OWWW.

      And that goes for the top Collegians also. Not the 2nd tier, but the 2nd tier have 2nd tier Box Office value also.

      But the current lame game is selling well. So we shall remain where we are plus or minus a little shame each year.
    1. darvon's Avatar
      Now let's talk HOF game.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      HoF game is a pre-season game. Different, as noted above.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      The NFL is its own worst enemy wrt the All Star game.

      The more valuable the NFL product becomes, the less likely it is to put at risk one of its prize assets, which is the star player.
    1. Skycatch's Avatar
      Quit calling it the Pro Bowl, just make it the all AFC and all NFC teams.

      Let them go to Hawaii if they want, have interviews, pick Super Bowl winners and losers, and cap it off with a really well-crafted highlight show on each player.

      You could also have anonymous player polls on various league issues.

      Just several ideas, and I'm sure someone could come up with better ones.

      To me, there is just no use and no sense on taking chances with people's careers over meaningless exhibitions.

      And in response to the skills competitions, I say think back on all the ACL and other serious leg injuries we've seen with no contact whatsoever.

      You could still honor players, make it fun and entertaining (fans love highlights) and take both the risk, and the phony game out of play.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      Cris Collinsworth:
      The Commissioner was not happy to say the least with the Pro Bowl. After agreeing that it was a joke I offered this suggestion, why not go back to the old College All-Star Game. The college players all go to All-Star games to impress NFL scouts, why not let them play the NFL's best in Hawaii. The college players could get an early payday and the NFL stars would be forced to bring their A-game or get their butt handed to them. It would be 100 times more interesting than that brother-in-law game we just watched. What do you think?
      NFL.com says a Senior Bowl is being mooted. So kudos to Cris for forecasting this one.

      The Pro Bowl dilemma is a funny one. The game is horrible. Nobody tries, expect when they're trying to rip Cam Newton's head off.

      Yet the TV ratings are beyond healthy. They're great.

      So here's an idea. Why not ignore the critics and just let the game be played at the current flag-football level? The public seems to accept it and nobody gets hurt.