• Of Note (Week 11, 2012)

    Every Tuesday, we’ll recap the previous week with a few things of note. Sometimes the obvious is the most interesting, while we’ll try and mix in a surprise or two along the way…

    This season, the NFL began implementing the overtime system that they were using in the previous 2 postseasons. And while it may be sheer coincidence, it’s interesting to note that last week’s total of 3 OT contests brought the total to 15 overtime games in 2012 with 6 weeks to play. All told, there were only 13 overtime games during all of the ’11 regular season…

    It was a rough afternoon for the 3 AFC South teams in action on Sunday in terms of defense. The Colts (59), Jaguars (43) & Texans (37) combined to allow 139 points, with Indianapolis losing at New England and Houston surviving a shootout at home vs. Jacksonville, rallying from a 14-point deficit in the fourth quarter. In fact, the Colts gave up 7 more points than the entire NFC North did on Sunday as the Bengals (6), Ravens (10), Steelers (13) and Browns (23) allowed a combined 52 points…

    The Chicago Bears would be more than happy not to go back to San Francisco anytime soon. It’s been nearly three decades since the denizens of the Windy City won a road game vs. the 49ers since they were the eventual Super Bowl champions in 1985 and they handed the defending Super Bowl champions a 26-10 loss at Candlestick. Dating back to 1987 and including the playoffs, the Bears have now dropped 8 straight at San Francisco by a combined score of 271-49. Ouch, babe…

    Barring an unprecedented series of events, Broncos’ QB Peyton Manning, who has thrown 24 scoring tosses in 10 games this season, will keep alive his streak of totaling at least 26 touchdown passes in each of his 13 seasons he was on the field with the Colts. What makes this season’s total so intriguing is that the Broncos’ team record for TD passes in a season is 27, co-owned by John Elway in 1997 and Jake Plummer in 2004. Denver travels to Kansas City on Sunday…

    In the Raiders’ 38-17 loss to the Saints on Sunday, QB Carson Palmer once again did something that has become somewhat common place for the former Pro Bowl signal-caller. The one-time Bengals’ star has now combined to throw 47 interceptions in his last 36 games with Cincinnati and Oakland dating back to 2010, and 9 of those picks have been returned for scores, including Saints’ S Malcolm Jenkins 55-yard touchdown return this past weekend. Palmer has now played a total of 20 games with the Raiders dating back to last season and has committed 31 turnovers (27 interceptions, 4 lost fumbles) in the process, including 14 turnovers in 10 games this season…

    Comments 14 Comments
    1. vancemeek's Avatar
      I'm torn on Palmer. On one hand, it's easy to hate him for refusing to play, and quitting on the team (although I understand the concept of quitting on Mike Brown). On the other hand, he certainly wasn't leading the Bengals anywhere and is no longer a top tier QB. Him forcing his way out led to us drafting Dalton and added a few other high picks.

      Yikes, I hadn't noticed the connection on the AFCS teams. I would imagine the Titans are glad they were off.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      I don't dislike Palmer for the reasons he left, I dislike Palmer because he quit on his teammates.

      As Lapham said Monday: "a lot of guys on this team were offended that he put himself higher than everyone else and he bailed."
    1. vancemeek's Avatar
      Yeah, the one part that bothers me is that he quit on his team.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      one thing is for sure, he's still a lightening rod. Bengals boards jumping off the hook with people who hate him, people who wish he was still the QB, etc..


      I can't wait until this week is over.
    1. vancemeek's Avatar
      Agreed. This week Palmer is going to be the story.
    1. hobbes27's Avatar
      Its definitely good that Palmer is no longer the starting QB. But his leaving didn't get rid of the culture that is the Bengals.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by hobbes27 View Post
      Its definitely good that Palmer is no longer the starting QB. But his leaving didn't get rid of the culture that is the Bengals.

      'eh the culture is what it is, and its never been great, but also never been as bad as some think. The team has had success under that culture, the issue is they don't build in a big enough margin for error to overcome things that may happen.

      I understand why Carson got frustrated, but at the same time he also became part of the problem.
    1. hobbes27's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
      'eh the culture is what it is, and its never been great, but also never been as bad as some think. The team has had success under that culture, the issue is they don't build in a big enough margin for error to overcome things that may happen.

      I understand why Carson got frustrated, but at the same time he also became part of the problem.
      If you consider three playoff apperances (and zero playoff victories) in 23 seasons a success, then you have low standards on what is successful.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by hobbes27 View Post
      If you consider three playoff apperances (and zero playoff victories) in 23 seasons a success, then you have low standards on what is successful.
      the culture of the 90's isn't the same as the culture today. Are some things, and some people the same? Sure. However, the organization made a sizeable (for them) cutlure change when Marvin was hired in 2003, and has continued to change over that time. Even over the last 2 years they've added scouts (unheard of for them), Mike has given Marvin more control over player personnel and coaching moves, along with some other changes.


      If you look at just the mike brown era, yea its been a failure. But if you just look at how the culture has evolved over the last 10 years, you see positives both on and off the field.

      And despite the shortcomings they still may have, they've done more with less over the last decade than some other organizaitons out there who have much bigger scouting departments, front offices, etc...
    1. hobbes27's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
      the culture of the 90's isn't the same as the culture today. Are some things, and some people the same? Sure. However, the organization made a sizeable (for them) cutlure change when Marvin was hired in 2003, and has continued to change over that time. Even over the last 2 years they've added scouts (unheard of for them), Mike has given Marvin more control over player personnel and coaching moves, along with some other changes.


      If you look at just the mike brown era, yea its been a failure. But if you just look at how the culture has evolved over the last 10 years, you see positives both on and off the field.

      And despite the shortcomings they still may have, they've done more with less over the last decade than some other organizaitons out there who have much bigger scouting departments, front offices, etc...
      Even if you look at the Marvin Lewis era, I wouldn't call that a success either. Three playoff appearances (and zero playoff wins) in nine years, and an overall losing record isn't a success either. Although I guess if you are defining it in comparison with the pre-Marvin Lewis era, then yeah its an improvement. And if you want to call that a success, again I would say you have low standards.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by hobbes27 View Post
      Even if you look at the Marvin Lewis era, I wouldn't call that a success either. Three playoff appearances (and zero playoff wins) in nine years, and an overall losing record isn't a success either. Although I guess if you are defining it in comparison with the pre-Marvin Lewis era, then yeah its an improvement. And if you want to call that a success, again I would say you have low standards.
      again, I'd call it a relative success compared to other organizations who have more to work with. Most organizations out there have more scouts, more coaches, and other things. Despite having less scouts or front office staff than nearly every team in the league, the Bengals have been one of the better drafting teams over the last decade, and only have 3 losing seasons during the Marvin Lewis era (now in its 10th year).


      The Bengals have done more with less.
    1. hobbes27's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
      again, I'd call it a relative success compared to other organizations who have more to work with. Most organizations out there have more scouts, more coaches, and other things. Despite having less scouts or front office staff than nearly every team in the league, the Bengals have been one of the better drafting teams over the last decade, and only have 3 losing seasons during the Marvin Lewis era (now in its 10th year).


      The Bengals have done more with less.
      You have less scouts, less coaches and less resources because your owner spends less. Your hinderance is self-imposed. So no, they don't get credit for doing more with less. But I'm sure Mike Brown and the Bengals appreciate that you don't need much to be satisfied.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by hobbes27 View Post
      You have less scouts, less coaches and less resources because your owner spends less. Your hinderance is self-imposed. So no, they don't get credit for doing more with less. But I'm sure Mike Brown and the Bengals appreciate that you don't need much to be satisfied.
      yea, cuz I'm totally satisfied. lol


      Chill out man.
    1. hobbes27's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
      yea, cuz I'm totally satisfied. lol


      Chill out man.
      You are the one who used the term success over and over. So that seems like you are satisfied to me.
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