Black Monday 2012

Jeffrey Lurie fired Reid this morning. He will give a presser at noon eastern.

"Andy Reid won the most games of any head coach in Eagles history and he is someone I respect greatly and will remain friends with for many years to come,” said Lurie. "But, it is time for the Eagles to move in a new direction. Coach Reid leaves us with a winning tradition that we can build upon. And we are very excited about the future.”

"The search for the new coach of the Philadelphia Eagles will begin immediately," said Lurie.

Looking forward to the new Team Haslam! Go Browns!

Adam Schefter reporting that the Bears are sending out consent forms to interview head coaches. Haven't seen any official word on Lovie's status

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...72227239104512

-Pioli keeping his job is a real kick in the crotch to that fan base. IMO.

Jay Cutler has cut his radio show short due to news at Halas Hall. Lovie Smith is done in Chicago. Finishes with 81-63 regular season record and 3-3 in three playoff appearances for a total 84-66 record.

Someone on my facebook feed just announced that Chan has been fired. Does this count?

Also, while I had high hopes for hm, his Wannstedting made this OK by me.

I think the Bills are going to go after Gruden hard.

Pioli is still here in KC. But that isn't absolute.

Rivera seems safe in Carolina. Cardinals news is unknown right now. Surprisingly, Munchak seems safe.

Jets have changed presser time.

Browns appear to be hiring a coach first, who they think will have an expanded role in personnel decisions, then will find a GM. Sounds like Banner will have final say on the roster.

Banner also indicates that he does not believe a complete overhaul of the roster is necessary. Phew.

The rush is mostly over, but Twitter is reporting that Ken Whisenhunt is still in his meeting with management.

Originally Posted by mkocs6

Browns appear to be hiring a coach first, who they think will have an expanded role in personnel decisions, then will find a GM. Sounds like Banner will have final say on the roster.

Yikes. That's backwards, IMHO. Hate it.

So Browns GM is going to be a shill? Or is the HC going to be GM, too? Sounds like the Browns are about to give someone some autonomy.

I would not be surprised to see Lovie Smith be picked up by Arizona, especially with that young defense.

Originally Posted by Rich Gapinski

So Browns GM is going to be a shill? Or is the HC going to be GM, too? Sounds like the Browns are about to give someone some autonomy.

It sounds kind of like the Philadelphia model under Reid, no? And considering Banner was there the whole time, basically, that should probably surprise approximately no one.

Originally Posted by Colts01

-Pioli keeping his job is a real kick in the crotch to that fan base. IMO.

I agree. Clark Hunt saying the football operation "is under review and there may be additional changes to come" is a beat weasely. How much tie does he need?

I like Jax and Jets cutting their GMs. The coaches may follow because new hires like their own men. But clearly the problem with each franchise is a lack of talent and that isn't the doing of the football coaches.

Interesting that Woody Johnson praised Rex Ryan. He didn't have to. I like Ryan, he's not the problem, But Johnson's words make life a wee bit harder for the next GM.

Whisenhunt and Reid will help somebody.

Originally Posted by mkocs6

It sounds kind of like the Philadelphia model under Reid, no? And considering Banner was there the whole time, basically, that should probably surprise approximately no one.

Didn't Reid evolve into that role? And didn't that evolution lead to his being fired? Very, very few head coaches are also good GMs.

Bill Walsh, in the last 30 years. Who else? (Please, I hope nobody names Bill Parcells. )

What a bloody day. I can't remember one so big. Rivera is still up in the air until a GM is named.

Originally Posted by wxwax

Didn't Reid evolve into that role? And didn't that evolution lead to his being fired? Very, very few head coaches are also good GMs.

Bill Walsh, in the last 30 years. Who else? (Please, I hope nobody names Bill Parcells. )

As to your first question, I don't know. It's pretty clear to me that both the coach and the GM (and they do plan on hiring one) will answer to Banner, who is indisputably in charge. They did not say the coach would have final say on personnel. They said they want to hire a head coach first because they believe he will have a bigger impact, or something along those lines. This leads to me to believe, first, that they believe the Browns' problem this season lies in leadership and not in talent. The coach may have a larger role in personnel decisions than convention suggests, but the real problem would be if the coach picks the GM, in my opinion. I don't think that is the case.

Yes, the number of coaches who are good general managers is limited. You mentioned Walsh; there's Belichick, too, a few others I suspect if I thought about it long enough. We'll have to see what role the coach has in talent evaluation before we say much more, but there are a lot of different models in the league. Carroll seems to have a very active role in talent evaluation in Seattle; I wonder how much of a role Payton plays in New Orleans.

Personally, I'm sad to see Heckert go and I'm not crazy about the change there. Shrug.