• Zone Blitz: Week Eight Open Thread



    From: Amy
    Sent: Mon 10/21/13 1:33 PM
    To: Brian


    Week 7 is in the books. Or almost. I suppose someone cares about the Vikings and Giants, but they really don't matter.

    I want to start with a nice factoid. Since Week 1 of last season, here is the list of QB runs for TDs: 1) Cam with 10, 2)Luck with 8, 3) RG3 with 7. Just what you'd,,,wait. Andrew Luck has more rushing TDs than RG3? Yes, he does, with #8 coming last night. How many fans would think that? I know I didn't. Could he be even better than we thought?

    Also, I want to give props to the Indy fans. They were classy. They honored Peyton and did everything they could to help the Colts. It's best summed up with a sign a fan was holding 'Sack him gently, Robert. Go Colts.'

    Were there any shocks in the NFC yesterday? Other than the lack of points in Dallas/Philly? I didn't think so. Let's move to the real conference, the AFC.

    KC is now 7-0 and clearly in the drivers seat for the #1 seed. They're a very real team and shockingly under the radar somehow. San Diego might be able to make some noise. Denver is, of course, a threat, but as we've both said all season, I don't see them going far.

    The South is the Colts to lose, and ditto the North for the Bengals! The Steelers are rebuilding but still can play spoiler. The Ravens lost too much.

    The East. We're still the kings. The Bills are feisty, the Dolphins overrated. The Jets are a perfect .500 team, going w-l in order all season. Kerley was a monster, Geno had flashes, the D is solid, and Jerome Boger stayed bought.

    And, as painful as it is to say Marty Morninweg (and I bet that's not the proper spelling) totally outcoached Josh McDaniels. Our playcalling was terrible most of the 3rd and he went back to what didn't work in OT. We were putrid on 3rd down, as well, and you can't blame KT and Dobson this time. Still, 5-2 with as many injuries as we have is not bad.

    And, the Insane Unicorns won last night, getting to 2-5. I'm the Texans of Dynasty, but at least I'm not the Jags!



    From: Brian
    Sent: Mon 10/21/13 7:25 PM
    To: Amy


    Since you started with a factoid, I'll return the favor. Of all QBs to earn a start this year, Tom Brady is currently 34th in fantasy points per game. Put another way, the 35th ranked QB is Brandon Weeden. Yes, if you matched up Brandon Weeden with Tom Brady on a weekly basis, you'd only be ending up with .7 fewer points per week. Weeden has out-pointed Brady in each of the past 3 weeks. While fantasy doesn't always mesh with reality, fact is, for any number of reasons this year, Brady has not been very effective this year. And even with the return of Gronk yesterday, he still completed less than 50% of his passes, and had another game without a TD. Of the 32 QBs with at least 100 attempts this year, only Weeden, Vick, and Eli have a lower completion %. Certainly some of the blame can go on the receivers, but clearly something is amiss in NE this year. Add in the inconsistent running game, and an injury-depleted defense, and NE would be in big trouble if they were in any division other than the AFC East. As it stands, they're in for a dog fight, as that division is loaded from top to bottom with quality mediocrity.

    While week 7 is clearly over in the real world, for fantasy purposes, the Monday night game is actually quite intriguing. I've still got Adrian Peterson and Victor Cruz going in my home league, needing 29 points for the win. So I'll be all over this game tonight.

    But seriously, week 7 can't end soon enough. It seemed like every game was marred by a serious injury to a marquee player. The Bears lost Cutler and Briggs, the Bengals lost Leon Hall, the Colts lost Reggie Wayne, the Bucs lost Doug Martin (maybe, although Schiano is stubborn as ever, in refusing to say that Martin's injury is long-term), the Rams lost Sam Bradford, the Packers lost Finley, the Eagles lost Foles, and the Saints lost Jimmy Graham (not really, just seeing if people are still paying attention). Ironically, one of the few games without a major injury was Steelers-Ravens, which is typically viewed as the most physical in all of pro football. This season has already been one littered with injuries from typically durable players, and disappointing performances from some of the league's most marquee talents. Is this all a fluke? Is it just some random luck of the draw? Or is there a specific reason behind these injuries? Is this the result of shortened training-camps and fewer off-season football-related activities? Many athletes have very specialized workout regimens, but are these regimens appropriately replicating the necessary functions typically associated with the 60 minute grind of an NFL contest? In other words, it may seem harsh, but are these athletes getting exactly what they asked for/deserved?

    In my mind, the saddest injury was to Jermichael Finley. Finley suffered a concussion earlier this year, and his kids reportedly asked him to stop playing football. That had to be difficult enough for him, but to go out a few weeks later, and suffer a neck injury like that is downright frightening. Thankfully, it appears that he may be ok, although it may be weeks until we know anything regarding his future status. But at this point, I think he needs to seriously consider his future, as well as the fears of his family. Honestly, I'm not sure I want to see Finley on the football field again. I hope he's ok, no matter what he decides, and I certainly hope he doesn't rush to any drastic decisions.

    KC is being largely ignored because of the Alex Smith factor, which is a mistake. Their defense is elite, as is their running game. While neither are all-time good, in a mediocre NFL, it may not need to be. But as much as I'm not sure Denver can navigate themselves through January, I'm not sure the Chiefs have the appropriate fire-power necessary to beat them. If Denver falls behind, they can catch up. If KC falls behind, it's over.

    Suddenly, Cincinnati looks dangerous. The question is always Andy Dalton, but should it be? I'll admit that he looks to be improved, but it's going to take a lot longer for me to seriously believe he's taken the next step. Indy also looks really good, despite their misstep against SD last Monday night. It's a shame that Reggie Wayne went down, though. Luck is blaming himself, due to the bad throw that set up Wayne's injury, but those things happen. Unfortunately. However, I still think Indy has the horses (get it... they're Colts!!!), and I think TY Hilton in particular is primed for a huge 2nd half. I'd like to see them grab another WR, but their cupboard is certainly not bare.

    Lastly, Baltimore and Pittsburgh each total less than 300 yards of offense, and neither team manages to put 20 on the board. Yet, would you say the defenses played all that well? Discluding each team's first drive of the game (each ending in a punt), and the end of the 1st half, Baltimore's drives lasted 10, 10, 8, 12, and 16 plays (2 punts, 2 FGs, TD), while Pittsburgh's lasted 10, 9, 9, 13, 6, 7 (TD, FG, lost Fum, FG, FG, FG). Pittsburgh didn't force a TO, and only generated 1 sack. They shut down the Baltimore running game, but so does everyone. That Baltimore OL is a mess, and Ray Rice just doesn't look like himself. Meanwhile, Baltimore did force 1 TO and 3 sacks, but they couldn't get off the field. After the punt, 5 out of 6 drives ended in scores, and they were approaching midfield when Heath Miller fumbled to set up Baltimore's FG to end the first half. The defense does look better, but more than anything, I was impressed with Pittsburgh's offensive efficiency. For the 2nd week in a row, they scored only 19, but looked like they could do just about anything they wanted on offense. Bell looked great, Roethlisberger looked to be in complete control, and Haley's play-calling was creative while the offense had an excellent flow. IF they can keep the skill players healthy, the Steelers are going to end the year as much more than just spoilers. Pittsburgh is going to be 4-4 in 2 weeks. Book it.

    Back to you. What are your thoughts on the injury issue the NFL is facing.



    From: Amy
    Sent: Tue 10/22/13 3:00 PM
    To: Brian


    I've been saying Brady's been off all year! Rodney Harrison did, too, at SNF halftime. Part of the issues we have had is the lack of a running game (Shane Vereen week 1, and Ridley against the Saints have been our good weeks). Part of the issue has been the young WRs. That should be expected, as WR is the position that takes the most time to adjust too. Go back and look at Julio Jones rookie year. At the end of it, people were calling him a bust, and they were wrong. Part of it has been Brady. A good chunk of the drops have been because the ball was put in a bad place. Maybe that's chemistry, who knows. What I do know is that we can fix it, and Dobson and KT are getting better every week. Dobson, especially, gets a lot of game work.

    I disagree that the Pats would be in trouble in any other division. In either West, or the NFC North, we would be. We'd be fine in the AFC North or South, and the NFC South and East. By fine, I mean a playoff team.

    Injuries. Is the NFL facing an injury crisis? I don't think that it is. Are injuries up? Are they down? Do they seem to be up but are normal. Yes, this week was a bad one for name players, but is that a trend or an outlier? Injuries are a current issue, and I think they are just getting more media play than normal.

    Also, are injuries overrated for impact on players lives? Let's face it, football players make good money. And they rarely die on the job. However, there are other professions that make much less and have on work fatalities at a high level: Loggers and Fishermen are #1 and #2 for dying on the job, as of this year, and both have a median income of under 35k. Pilots are 3, with a good salary, but roofers at #4 are also under 35k median. #5 are ironworkers who have a 45k median.

    I'm not trying to downplay injuries. But, I do think they are getting a little too much media attention at the moment. Mostly based on the concussion settlement which a lot of media have talked about and few have read.

    KC is very under the radar, which is good for them! Yes, as far as we know, the offense there is not high powered, but so what? You can win with an average O and a great D as well as you can with a great O and average D, and the pressure they put on quarterbacks is intense.

    Luck should take the blame for Reggie's injury. It was on him. He severely underthrew a wide open Wayne on 3rd down. If he puts more air under the ball, it's a TD. However, he throws it way short, and Wayne tries to make a fast cut and come back for the ball. His foot gets caught in the turf and that's what caused the injury - and he still almost made the catch! It was not intentional, but it speaks well for Andrew that he realized it was his mistake that was the catalyst. He's going to be very good. I wish he was a Pat

    I was unable to see Ravens/Steelers For some reason, Sunday ticket blacked it out for me, and so I didn't watch anything in the late slot. I tried watching the Packers, but, OMG, those throwbacks were terrible. Why is it that so many teams say 'You know, let's have a throwback week where we choose the ugliest uniforms ever and pretend we like them?' (On a side note, I'd love Philly and Pittsburgh to have a throwback game where *both* teams wore the uniform of the "Steagles" It was the 1943 combined Pitt/Philly team)

    NYG and Minnesota was pretty ugly. I watched from mid way in the 1st to just the start of the 4th. I think Minnesota would have won with Ponder playing. Freeman couldn't hit wide open guys and the Giants knew it. I do want to give props to Allen for his amazing sack of Eli.

    Oh, and the Steelers will not be 4-4 in 2 weeks, since they're losing to the Pats in 2 weeks Oh, and breaking Pats news: we resigned Andre Carter, who had a great year for us in 2011. Welcome back AC!

    Divisonal Standings:

    AFC West: 19-8
    NFC West: 17-11
    AFC East: 15-12
    NFC North: 13-13
    AFC North: 13-14
    NFC South: 10-14
    NFC East: 10-17
    AFC South: 10-18



    From: Brian
    Sent: Tue 10/22/13 8:32 PM
    To: Amy


    I'll give you credit. While understandably optimistic about your team, you're also fair in your evaluations. And you have definitely been saying that stuff about Brady. But I just don't see the potential in the young WRs, especially Thompkins. His 42% catch rate is 116th out of 117 eligible WR/TE with 20+ targets, and he's tied for 98th in yards per target with Garrett Graham. Plus, is it me, or does he have a really hard time keeping his feet when completing a route? That dude is falling over every time a defender breathes on him. If it weren't for his 4 TDs, I don't think anyone would be talking about him as anything more than the least productive WR in football.

    I highly respect your opinion on the Pats, but I don't think referencing Julio Jones' rookie year has any relevance to the crop of young WR in NE. There is not anyone even close to a Julio on that roster. I don't remember people talking about Julio as a bust after his rookie year. I certainly wasn't. I even wrote about him prior to 2012 as one of the top 15 game-breakers in the NFL.

    The number of injuries from this past week, especially to big name talents, were clearly an outlier. I don't think we've ever seen a week like last week, and may never see a week like that again. Dr. James Andrews is going to be blowing up the ticker on ESPN this week. But I do think the increased injuries are more than just media-related hype. And it's about much more than just concussions. Clearly every blow to the head is being scrutinized, but knee tears, foot problems, shoulder issues, and pulled muscles all seem to be on the rise. Plus, studying the fantasy end of things, it's also clear that there are more big-name players struggling, for whatever reason, this year than ever before. I think it's fair to question if the decrease in off-season football-related activities is directly impacting the quality of the game, especially in reference to the players' general health and performance.

    Can we all just agree that Giants-Vikings never happened? (especially since Peterson and Cruz only combined for a measly 16 points, when I needed 29 for the win)

    Week 8 kicks off with the train-wreck Bucs on Thursday night, looking to continue their perfect season against the Panthers. This game could actually be kinda fun, since the Panthers are showing a new-found offensive aggression in recent weeks, and Cam Newton has always been great when playing from ahead. Plus, I think he may be making legitimate gains as a passer, so I'm looking forward to seeing him on center stage. Also, the NFL makes a return trip to London!!!!!!!! as London's own South Hampstead High (by way of Jacksonville) Jaguars "host" the 49ers, in what should be a {{{{{{{doozy}}}}}}. If the NFL can sell this game overseas, they can sell anything. Although at least London gets to see one of our "finest", since SF was a Super Bowl rep last season. Overall, it's a crap slate this week, with 6 teams on bye. Cowboys-Lions probably brings the most intrigue, but the story of the week is probably better represented by the prime time slate. Cris and Al get to check out the Pack as they whitewash the pathetic Viqueens, while Tirico and Gruden get to sit through Kellen Clemens attempting to solve the Seahawks defense.

    I guess when all else fails, we can always turn to this...



    The slate doesn't appear to be all that intriguing, but there's no one better at making something out of nothing than FP nation. I'm counting on you guys to bring the fire this week. Is there an increase in injuries, or is it just a creation of the media? What storyline intrigues you the most this coming weekend? Can Peyton hang a 50 burger on the Redskins? Can the Steelers make it 3 straight? Will the state of Florida get at least one professional win this weekend? What is this weekend's most likely big upset? The week 8 forum is officially yours, my friends.

    Comments 97 Comments
    1. Rich Gapinski's Avatar
      I'll have to find the tweet or the post to give proper credit, but our eyes are not deceiving us: 84 season-enders after WK7 last year; 124 this year. 47.6% increase.
    1. Trumpetbdw's Avatar
      Bengals posted it within his injury article...

      Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
      dang.



      Clay Travis ‏@ClayTravisBGID 4m
      Wow on that % increase. RT @FFD: Season-ending injuries on the rise:
      2012: 84 players
      2013: 124 players


      edit: the 2012 stat is through week 7.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      I don't think there's much use in looking for reasons for the greater number of severe injuries. We always look for patterns and reasons for things, but sometimes it's just fate. I think that's what this is.

      It really sucks, though. I hate seeing guys fall like this.

      And while other professions are certainly more dangerous, I don't see the point of minimizing what NFL players do to their bodies. From Len Shapiro's excellent column on his regret about his beat days for the WaPo:

      We should have been on this story far earlier. It’s not as if this was a deep, dark secret. At every Pro Football Hall of Fame induction ceremony each August in Canton, Ohio, it’s difficult to ignore former all-pros limping, leaning on canes or rolling onto the stage in wheelchairs. In conversations with countless former players, we hear about replaced knees, hips and shoulders, surgically repaired necks and backs. Worst of all, there’s clear evidence of memory loss and dementia from concussions either undiagnosed, shrugged off or totally ignored.

      One player I know recalled being knocked out 10 times in his final season of football. He often was allowed to go back onto the field when he seemed to have regained his senses. That player now calls me “Buddy” because he can’t remember my name, even though in 1986 I collaborated with him on a book about his life called “Tough Stuff.”

      His name is Sam Huff.
      I agree with Trumpet, I don't recall anyone saying Julio Jones was a bust after his rookie season.

      I can also see KC going further in the playoffs than Denver. I'm a huge fan of Peyton Manning, but if he has to put 36-40 points on the board every weekend to win, it won't end well.
    1. mikesteelnation1's Avatar
      C'mon Amy.. the pats wouldn't be in trouble in any other division? You're shading homer a bit with saying that.

      They're in trouble in their OWN division after the jets loss. The same jets team, my not so great Steelers team HANDLED last week. Like totally owned in every facet of the game...

      They lost their 3 best defenders, and it showed vs this jets team.

      No wilfork and mayo led to heavy doses of Chris ivory between the tackles for over a hundred yards. You also lost your best cover corner. That's not insignificant. It's why y'all lost the game.

      It wasn't a call the refs made, it was plays the players didn't make.

      Brady hasn't been Brady (he's my qb on 2 fantasy teams, so I know that quite well). He's been hampered by underwhelming line play, and a cast of nobodies at the skill positions. He's NOT making plays for said reasons..

      His "meh" play has been covered by the defense thus far. Without their 3 best guys the unit couldn't make those plays to cover for the offense vs the jets.

      8The pats allowed almost 400 yards to the jets... The jets mind you...

      My not so great team allowed under 300 yds given what they got in garbage time when the game was all but over.

      No one will fear the pats going forward. The offense is chock full of guys who aren't that good, given the injuries. The defense is chock full of guys who aren't so good given injuries. Tommy boy hasn't done a superlative job of covering up those issues, sans a defense.

      That defense is GONE. The middle is done. No wilfork, no mayo. No top cover corner.. screams lots of runs up the gut, and play action to exploit loose coverage, you know, like a bad jets team used to win.

      Not sure what you're basing your opinion on. Your pats aren't that good, and they're out of luck exploiting match ups to win. The offense, nor the defense has any match ups left to exploit. No real skill players left on offense, and all those on defense that made a difference are done for the year...

      No offense but you'd be in big trouble in the afcn. You already lost to the Bengals, and the ravens have your number. Your team doesn't match up well vs mine, like at all with your injuries.. guess we see how that plays out in 2 weeks..
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      The AFC East is traditionally the weakest AFC division. They're better this year, but I don't know that they aren't still in the cellar.

      Baltimore beat Miami, Lost to Buffalo.
      Cincinnati beat New England and Buffalo
      Cleveland lost to Miami, beat Buffalo.
      Pittsburgh beat the Jets
      Tennessee beat the Jets
      Indy beat Miami

      AFC West is easily the top division with Denver, KC and San Diego. Then I'd probably go AFC North as far as depth goes and the fact that they have a number of head to head wins over the East. Then probably the East, followed up by the South which is basically Indy and no one else.

      Records wise:

      West: 19-8
      North: 13-14
      East: 15-12
      South: 10-18

      East has a better combined record, but North is 5-2 in games against the East this year. Edge North.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      fun fact: the "down" AFC is currently 20-16 against the NFC.

      of the NFC's 6 current playoff teams:

      Seattle's only loss is to an AFC team.
      New Orleans' only loss is to an AFC team.
      One of the 49er's only 2 losses are to an AFC team.
      One of Green Bay's only 2 losses are to an AFC team
      One of Detroit's 3 losses are to an AFC team
      All 3 of Dallas' losses are to AFC Teams.

      Current NFC playoff teams are 0-8 against current AFC playoff teams.
    1. Wordsworth's Avatar
      I think it's time that a lot of talking heads stopped acting surprised with Andrew Luck's athletic ability. Anyone who watched his games at Stanford saw a kid who is not only an accurate and polished passer, but who is elusive and can pull it down and run with it better than many at the position. He's not a Kaepernick who runs with gazelle-like strides or Russell Wilson doing pirouettes to shake defenders, but he accelerates and makes good decisions past the line of scrimmage. He's physically imposing and built like a rock.

      Maybe it's because he's a white guy that people underestimate him as a runner. One of those "high motor" guys who is a "hard worker" and a "gym rat". Whatever the case, Luck is every bit a dual threat- albeit not a track star.

      On a related note, the Colts have impressed me with their bounce back after Manning's departure. They go 2-14 one season due to his neck injury, and immediately jump back into relevance with the Andrew Luck pick. It's amazing, really.

      Cool stat: In the modern era, 1970-present, no team has drafted more quarterbacks #1 overall than the Colts (Baltimore/Indianapolis): 4 of them. Those 4 QBs? John Elway, Jeff George, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck. That's quite a list.
    1. Trumpetbdw's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Wordsworth View Post
      I think it's time that a lot of talking heads stopped acting surprised with Andrew Luck's athletic ability. Anyone who watched his games at Stanford saw a kid who is not only an accurate and polished passer, but who is elusive and can pull it down and run with it better than many at the position. He's not a Kaepernick who runs with gazelle-like strides or Russell Wilson doing pirouettes to shake defenders, but he accelerates and makes good decisions past the line of scrimmage. He's physically imposing and built like a rock.

      Maybe it's because he's a white guy that people underestimate him as a runner. One of those "high motor" guys who is a "hard worker" and a "gym rat". Whatever the case, Luck is every bit a dual threat- albeit not a track star.

      On a related note, the Colts have impressed me with their bounce back after Manning's departure. They go 2-14 one season due to his neck injury, and immediately jump back into relevance with the Andrew Luck pick. It's amazing, really.

      Cool stat: In the modern era, 1970-present, no team has drafted more quarterbacks #1 overall than the Colts (Baltimore/Indianapolis): 4 of them. Those 4 QBs? John Elway, Jeff George, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck. That's quite a list.
      Absolutely on Luck's athletic ability. It does wreak of a little reverse racism by the talking heads, but I think it's also a sign that most commentors are lazy, and don't watch all that much film. They look at a stat sheet, see his size, (and his skin color?) and assume the prototype based on those stats.

      Besides, {everybody knows that only white QBs who are left-handed can run. Just look at Steve Young.}
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
      fun fact: the "down" AFC is currently 20-16 against the NFC.

      of the NFC's 6 current playoff teams:

      Seattle's only loss is to an AFC team.
      New Orleans' only loss is to an AFC team.
      One of the 49er's only 2 losses are to an AFC team.
      One of Green Bay's only 2 losses are to an AFC team
      One of Detroit's 3 losses are to an AFC team
      All 3 of Dallas' losses are to AFC Teams.

      Current NFC playoff teams are 0-8 against current AFC playoff teams.
      How many of those NFC losses were on the road?
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      Seattle and New Orlean's were on the road. So was Green Bay's. San Fran's was at home. Dallas had 1 at home, 1 on the road, and I think the third was on the road. Detroit's was at home.

      so 6 of the 8. Still, while home field matters some in the NFL, the NFC was considered to be the dominant conference this year.
    1. Wordsworth's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Trumpetbdw View Post
      Absolutely on Luck's athletic ability. It does wreak of a little reverse racism by the talking heads, but I think it's also a sign that most commentors are lazy, and don't watch all that much film. They look at a stat sheet, see his size, (and his skin color?) and assume the prototype based on those stats.

      Besides, {everybody knows that only white QBs who are left-handed can run. Just look at Steve Young.}
      Expanding upon this, Kevin Love from the NBA recently became a third-time winner of the GM Poll stating that, out of the whole NBA, he does the most with "limited natural ability". a.k.a. "The White Guy Award". Nine of the past 10 winners have been of lighter complexion:

      2013: Kevin Love
      2012: Kevin Love
      2011: Kevin Love
      2010: Luis Scola
      2009: Mehmet Okur
      2008: Bruce Bowen (the lone exception)
      2007: Steve Nash
      2006: Steve Nash
      2005: Brad Miller
      2004: Brian Cardinal

      Source
    1. Rich Gapinski's Avatar
      Here is a good summary of the state of the Bears defense by Grantland contributor and Bears fan, Robert Mays:

      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...-bears-defense

      Of course, you FP readers already know everything mentioned... but he gives a longer, put-together summary of all the thoughts I have expressed, so it deserves recognition.
    1. Rich Gapinski's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Wordsworth View Post
      Expanding upon this, Kevin Love from the NBA recently became a third-time winner of the GM Poll stating that, out of the whole NBA, he does the most with "limited natural ability". a.k.a. "The White Guy Award". Nine of the past 10 winners have been of lighter complexion:

      2013: Kevin Love
      2012: Kevin Love
      2011: Kevin Love
      2010: Luis Scola
      2009: Mehmet Okur
      2008: Bruce Bowen (the lone exception)
      2007: Steve Nash
      2006: Steve Nash
      2005: Brad Miller
      2004: Brian Cardinal

      Source
      Coincidentally, Brian Cardinal "won" the Genetics Doing Unflattering Things to the Hairline Award (G-DUTHA, for short) that year as well.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      Poor old Cleveland. Now they get a dose of Jason Campbell. He's a nice guy, I'd like to see him do well. But what's the over/under on his fumbling at least once? And what's the over/under on pass attempts of 20+? Almost zero? Poor old Cleveland.
    1. Pruitt's Avatar
      How pathetic is it that I am excited to see Campbell get the start? Maybe with a few days of practice with the starters,he just may approach a Hoyer-esque level of competence?

      Ah, just shoot me now...
    1. mkocs6's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by wxwax View Post
      Poor old Cleveland. Now they get a dose of Jason Campbell. He's a nice guy, I'd like to see him do well. But what's the over/under on his fumbling at least once? And what's the over/under on pass attempts of 20+? Almost zero? Poor old Cleveland.
      I don't think he can be worse than Weeden's been. And if he is worse than Weeden, I kind of want to see it, because we'd be talking about a truly historic level of awful.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      He'll look deep and throw short. He's athletic but has poor pocket judgment and when he's hit he often fumbles. Maybe he has small hands, I don't know. I never could figure out why he wouldn't throw deep when he played for the 'Skins. I wish him well, he's a good guy.
    1. Trumpetbdw's Avatar
      Tubbs, clear your inbox
    1. tubbs1518's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Trumpetbdw View Post
      Tubbs, clear your inbox
      cleared it.
    1. Patrick Sullivan's Avatar
      I'm sure you all know this, but if you don't, Richard Sherman pens a column over at Peter King's MMQB. This week he hits it out of the park with an excellent take on head injuries in the NFL. One of the most intelligent guys in the league. Great piece.