• Zone Blitz: Your Super Bowl XLVIII Open Thread




    Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 9:43 AM
    From: Brian
    Subject: Re: Zone Blitz
    To: Amy


    AFC Recap- One Step From a Coronation

    Amy,

    It's not often that Championship weekend provides us with the 4 teams that have clearly been the best from the start of the year, but that's exactly what happened this year. The fact that I can make that statement, and your Pats were involved is a testament to Bill Belichick, who should be the coach of the year. That's a roster, even with Brady, that should have about 6 or 7 wins. How they ended with 12, and were one of the final 4 left standing is beyond me. They're that team that will literally do whatever is necessary to win. It's one of the more selfless teams I can ever remember watching, and complete credit goes to BB. I'm no fan of the Patriots by any means, and those 9 year old kids in Boston are still wondering when Brady will be able to finally win a championship, but no team has earned my respect quite like the Patriots. Belichick, who famously and hilariously says absolutely nothing in his postgame pressers, was especially forthright after yesterday's loss, even breaking out an "I'm proud to be their coach." BB is completely different with his team than with the media, and I'm sure he's made a vulnerable statement like that to his teams in the past, but for him to say that when facing the media speaks volumes. His reflectiveness makes me wonder exactly how many more years Belichick will go at it. I’ve mentioned before that I think he’d be great on TV. Kudos to the Patriots, and to Belichick, for a truly remarkable season.

    But in the end, this season is no longer about the Pats. It's about the Broncos, and the much-maligned playoff version of Peyton Manning. Manning was absolutely brilliant yesterday, and while he's played many more dynamic games in his career, I'm not sure he's ever played a better game. The talent disparity was evident from the opening kick. Clearly the Broncos were the deeper and more talented team. The only question was whether or not Belichick and Brady were going to be able to find an answer. They could not. Manning looked exceedingly comfortable from the start of the game, and even only down 3 after the first, it was pretty clear that it was going to take a monster effort for the Pats to stay in the game. Then Talib went down, forcing the Patriots into a zone for much of the rest of the game, and they had no answer for Demaryius Thomas, who is a complete beast. The Broncos moved the ball at will, gaining 507 yards in just 8 possessions (an incredible 63+ yards per possession), and were able to dominate the clock. The Pats left some plays on the field, but I feel like if they had to, the Broncos could have put up 40.

    Brady showed his grit in giving the Patriots a chance at the end of the game, but Peyton Manning was the best player on the field. Manning has had a few playoff demons in his career, and he will now have the chance to overcome them all. Last week, he took out the Chargers, a team he had never beaten in the postseason, and one of those always pesky division rivals, much like the Jets have been to the Pats in recent years. This week, he took down New England and Belichick in a truly exquisite effort. Next, he'll get a chance to exorcise every last demon in his closet, as not only does he get one more Super Bowl opportunity, but ironically, it will occur in windy and cold New York City, perhaps with a few elements involved, and will be against a team in Seattle that has the best pass defense in the entire league. The Seahawks forced nearly twice as many TOs this year (39) as TDs allowed (20). To win his 2nd Super Bowl, in a place like New York City, against a team like Seattle, would be the most perfect career culmination in the history of the league, and would allow the many that have wanted to anoint him as the GOAT the final justification they need to do so. I've been a critic of Manning-- not of his greatness, but of his place in history. But there's never been a player this consistently great year in and year out (comparing him with anyone else on PFR proves that). There is a huge difference historically between winning one championship, and winning multiple championships. If Manning takes home his second Lombardi, it's really difficult to deny him his rightful place in history as one of the top 1, 2, or 3 QBs to ever play the game.

    As a Pats fan, and noted Manning-hater, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on yesterday's game, and on the historical impact that game plus one more win can have on Manning's career. Also, go ahead and start with your take-away on the NFC Championship game, and I'll wait for the reply to post my thoughts.



    Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 1:09 PM
    From: Amy
    Subject: Re: Zone Blitz
    To: Brian


    The first thing I want to do is give a shout out to #25, Richard Sherman. I'm sure many wussy media types are laying into him, but his postgame comments were spot on. They're what athletes need to do more, say what they *really* feel and not some passive nice line.


    Going Down Swinging

    I've been a Pats fan for years. My oldest football memory is the snowplow game. And this year’s team is the one I'm proudest of. If we hadn't blown the Miami game, I think we'd have gone to the Super Bowl. Even without that trip, this year was a success. We had nearly every reason, by week 6, to shut it down and we never did.

    By the way, Talib did not 'go down'. He was cheap shot by Wes Welker, on an illegal pick. Welker should be fined, and he should be suspended for the Super Bowl. It's bad enough the Denver gets away with at least a dozen OPI every week, but to go at the back of someone's knees, on purpose, is wrong. I'd be saying this same thing if he did it to Ben, and you know how badly I despise him. If safety *really* matters, send a message. That would. It was a dirty play.

    Denver is a very lucky team. If SD had found thier offense even 5 minutes sooner, or if Brady hadn't missed that deep TD to Minitron on the second drive, they might not be going to the dance. Now, that's not a slam, every great team has some luck, but it is a fact.

    As for Peyton, I'm not a hater. I just will never, ever, be swayed by the GOAT argument for him. In both Football and Basketball we measure careers by Championships. Peyton Manning is the *worst* playoff QB in NFL History. His 11 playoffs losses is by far the worst for any QB. His *9* first game exits are more than twice any other QB. (4, including Montana are tied for 2nd at 4). That's not GOAT level.

    To put it in perspective, if Peyton wins the Superbowl, he will be 12-11 in playoff games, or one over .500. To match that, Brady would have to play *9* more years, make the playoffs every one of those years, and lose his first game. The gulf is astounding.

    What irks me with the Peyton crowning is that excuses are made for him. 'He had no defense' He had 5 playoff losses with a top 10 D. 'He had no weapons'. He had Harrison and Wayne in Indy, both are hall of famers. He's had amazing ST support - Vanderjagt was a great kicker, then he got Adam. Now, he has Denver, where I could likely kick a 50 yard FG. With the exception of his rookie year, he's not been on a bad team. If he were the GOAT, he'd have at least 3 rings.

    Yes, he is great, and, if there were no playoffs, he might be the GOAT. But, even look at us. On our FPL draft for greatest Super Bowl winners of all time *Desmond Howard* came off the board before Manning.

    By the way, my GOAT is Otto Graham. 11 seasons, 11 championship games, 7 wins. In his entire career, he never failed to play in the most important game of the year. It's just amazing.


    NFC Slugfest

    Was that exactly what we wanted? A slugfest between two teams that really hate each other. It's like the west coast Ravens/Steelers. We need more rivalries like that. I loved every moment of it. From the Aldon Smith strip of Wilson on the first play, to Richard Sherman's tap on the last.

    Did you know that Seattle plans those? That they actively remind each other to not come in for a hit when a teammate goes up for a pass defense, so that they can catch those tips? Why did the 49ers throw at him with the season on the line? Dumb dumb.

    I think Denver has no chance. A small one if the weather is good, none if it is bad. Seattle is, perhaps, the only team in the league that has the DB depth to limit all of Manning's 4, and Lynch will be the best RB on the field.

    When SB 48 rolls around, I'll be rooting for The Legion of Boom, Beast Mode, and the second winning Pats coach ever. (Yes, after BB, Pete Carroll was out best coach).

    I fully expect both the 49ers and Pats to make the championship games next year (and do you realize that there is some parallel universe where the 49ers and Pats are getting ready to play thier 3rd Superbowl in row against each other! Wish I was in that one!)



    Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:41 PM
    From: Brian
    Subject: Re: Zone Blitz
    To: Amy


    Wait…Wha???

    You really think Welker should be "fined, and... suspended for the Super Bowl"? For that??? And where exactly did Welker go at the back of Talib's knees? Honestly, I thought nothing of the play when they replayed it, and continue to feel pretty much nothing of the play, other than the Patriots' coach, a few players, and many of their fans are thinking that Welker committed a cheap shot. Had that been Eric Decker, it would have been just another play that would have been a borderline penalty at worst. Welker got there at pretty much the exact moment the ball hit Thomas in the hands, and hit Talib right below the armpit. Yes, it was close to being too early, but it seems to me that his block, and the ball reaching Thomas were simultaneous. Yes, the Broncos get away with "pick" plays way too much. But as far as that play is concerned, THIS IS FOOTBALL!!! It was nowhere near a cheap shot. If you can't hit someone in the upper ribs, then where are you supposed to hit them? Should we eliminate open-field blocking altogether? Honestly, if we're going to complain about the cheapness of Welker's hit, then we may as well just embrace turning the NFL into the National Flag Football League. If you want to say it should have been a penalty, fine. I think it was close, but personally, that flag is staying in my pocket. But to say that Welker was being "cheap" and should be suspended is incredibly reckless.

    Yes, the Patriots left a couple of plays on the field, but no, that was not the reason Denver won. Home field was also not the reason Denver won. Denver won because yesterday, they were clearly the better team, with the better defense, the better weapons, and the better QB. The New England OL that looked fantastic against Indy was completely blown to shreds by the Denver defensive front.

    With Manning, I think the negativity has started to go way over the top, to where the over-correction is actually causing PM to become a bit UNDERrated. I've been at the forefront as a Manning "realist" (my word) from the time he was spinning it in Knoxville. And I agree with you on his lack of playoff success, and all of those one and dones. At the same time, as a realist, if I'm being fair, then when the man earns praise, then it's praise that he should receive. The Patriots' defense didn't stand a chance against him yesterday. I honestly got the feeling that the Broncos could have named their score, but instead focused on controlling the clock, and not taking any risks. The Denver defense looked very solid until going into prevent mode late, and Manning played about as well, and in control, as I've ever seen him, especially when considering the stakes. He deserves complete credit for shredding an admittedly depleted Patriots defense, and for playing a perfect game in leading his team to the Super Bowl. If we can't give him credit after yesterday, then there's not a single player in the league who ever deserves credit for anything.

    Do you know how hard it is to play for 16 seasons, and to never NOT be great? Take away his rookie year, and he's never had even a merely "good" season. Yes, he has too many one and dones, and yes, he's lost a lot in the playoffs. But do you know why he's lost a lot in the playoffs? Because he's in the playoffs every season. His 13 playoff appearances are more than any other QB, ever, proving that no one has ever been as consistently good as he has been. And I can't believe I'm actually the one taking this stance, because I've always been critical (fair) in my assessment of Manning. Yes, he's lost too many times as a favorite. Yes, he's been outplayed too many times in the playoffs. Yes, I feel like he should have stepped up and played better a few more times in Indianapolis, and even last year. But to say he's the worst playoff QB of all-time is a significant overreaction, and the fact is, he's actually been very good more often than not. Winning 2 championships would put him in very exclusive company. Only 11 QBs have won multiple championships, and NONE have ever won a championship with two different organizations. IF Manning wins a Super Bowl, and overcomes the New York spotlight/elements in the process, as well as a legitimately great defense that specializes in stopping the pass (seriously, how incredible are Seattle's defensive numbers this year, considering today's NFL), then yes, he's officially done everything that the nay-sayers have been asking from him for years. Therefore, yes, he will have officially and finally earned his place at the big boy table with Montana, Graham (I agree with you in that he's my #1 as well), Starr, and possibly Brady.

    And yes, Manning was taken after Desmond Howard in that draft. That proves nothing, in my opinion. Howard was selected as a specialist as the ultimate form of a "position scarcity" selection. To look at it properly, we have to evaluate him among other QBs. Manning was the 5th QB taken, and in my opinion, all 5 of those guys (Brady, Montana, Unitas, Starr, and Manning) could have had a rightful claim to the top spot in the draft. There are going to be some really good HOF QBs that go undrafted. Does that really make those players worse than one of the kickers that will be taken at some point?


    Must SEA TV

    Now I can finally move onto the NFC game. I'm with you on Sherman. If I were a head coach, that would be a different story. And in general, I'm a "respect the opponent" and "win/lose" with dignity kind of guy. But at the same time, guys like Sherman make it more fun as a fan. We need more willing villains in sports, and if the Seahawks go on a Super Bowl-winning binge, he's exactly the type of polarizing figure that will make Seattle a must-see team week in and week out. If Sherman can help make a team like Seattle a polarizing team, and they can stay at the top of the heap for a while, then that's good for the NFL. We need more teams that everyone has an opinion about, whether good or bad. Because no matter what, we're watching. Frankly, Sherman is thoughtful, compelling, and completely nuts. While some of that may be bad for Sherman, or bad for the Seahawks, it certainly isn't bad for the NFL or its fans.

    And frankly, I can somewhat understand Sherman's frustration. He has a history with Crabtree that apparently stems back to a charity function last off-season, but clearly went over to shake Crabtree's hand after the play. It was incredibly stupid timing on Sherman's part, and he had to know it would end badly, but Crabtree didn't help his cause by slapping at Sherman's face. After that, I think we've all learned how players in the 21st century react when they've been "disrespected".

    That game was awesome. It's everything the NFL is supposed to be about. It was edgy, hard-hitting, and the game seemed to be in the balance on nearly every play. It was everything we've loved over the past 6 years about the Steelers and Ravens. And unlike the first game, it felt like the 49ers and Seahawks were about as even as you can get. I'm just glad that the refs didn't end up impacting the game, because they certainly tried. I've seen many outlets discuss the fact that the Bowman recovery was not reviewable, which is an egregious flaw in the replay system. That's all fine, but the fact is, there will ALWAYS be a flaw in the replay system. While that may be fixed in the offseason, what other "flaw" will be exposed next season? I'd honestly rather we just eliminate replay altogether. But since that's not happening, instead of complaining about the replay flaws, why can't we put the onus on the officials that egregiously missed that call? It's not like that was close. It was clear as day as it was happening live that Bowman recovered that fumble, so I have no idea how an entire championship officiating crew can't even find one guy who was watching the ball at the time it popped out, and Bowman recovered. Of course, the Seahawks lost a fumble on the very next play, so their mistake was null and void. The bad personal foul call on Carlos Rogers toward the end of the first half also ended up having very little impact, since it didn't extend a Seahawk drive. There were also a few borderline grounding calls that could have been called on Wilson. However, the biggest miss may have been on the "running into" the kicker call. According to the rule book, if a defensive player hits the plant leg of the punter, that is supposed to be an automatic "roughing" penalty. If they call it properly, San Francisco still has a 17-13 lead, and a new set of downs from the 35. Who knows how things play out from there?

    Well, the matchup is set. The two top seeds have advanced for the first time since New Orleans beat Indianapolis in 2009, {and who better to bring us the action than Joe Buck?!?!} I'm pretty fired up for this Super Bowl. The Seahawks pass defense may be the best singular unit in the league, and it just so happens they'll face the team and QB that just put up the most prolific offensive passing season in the history of the league. It really doesn't get any more compelling than what we'll see in 13 days.

    Adding to the intrigue is the weather, which has been a topic of conversation since the NFL announced that the New York/New Jersey area would be hosting the game. The number to watch is 39, as was the game-time temp for Super Bowl VI in New Orleans, the coldest Super Bowl on record. Pro-Football-Reference actually has the game-time temp listed at 34, with the wind chill at 24. And that will be the other number to watch. Unless the temperatures drop into the mid-20s or lower during the game, or the wind picks up to something north of about 15-20 MPH, I don't think the weather will play a huge impact. Even snow shouldn't hurt the offenses too much, since slippery conditions typically favor the side of the ball that knows where they're going on a given play. But clearly, if weather plays a role, the passing games will be hindered, and that will significantly hurt the Broncos.



    Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 9:28 AM
    From: Amy
    Subject: Re: Zone Blitz
    To: Brian



    Random Thoughts

    The Bowman non- recovery was not a flaw in the replay system. It's a flaw in the rule. The official that made the call thought Lynch (I think he carried the ball that play) was down by contact. Given the scrum at the time, that's not unreasonable. With a reverse camera replay, *we* could all see the strip and recovery. However, down by contact is not reviewable, It should be, but the competition committee has voted every year for at least 5 years to not change it. As that committee is mostly made up of GMs and Coaches (including Tomlin now), so it's on them, not the replay system.

    I hope Bowman has an easy recovery. It sucked to see him go down.

    As for the kicker call, I'm half with you. Yes, if it was intentional, it should have been roughing. However, I'm not sold that it was. I may very well be wrong, but, to me, it looked like the defensive player was on the ground, having fallen down in his rush, and the kicker tripped over him. I didn't see a hit on the play.

    Back to 25, I think the whole 'be nice to the opponent' thing is overrated. What's wrong with not liking a guy, or a team? It was common back in the 50s, 60s, 70s, etc, before real free agency. When you were drafted by a team and that was your team unless they traded or cut you, for your entire career. You still have lots of old school players who hate their teams division rivals still. I'd like to see more, not less, of players saying what they really think and not playing media nice. He was pumped up, right after the biggest game of his life, and he apparently just does not like Crabtree. So, he told the truth. Kudos to 25!

    As for Peyton, I don't, in any way, think he's terrible. He is great. I just don't feel a case can be made for GOAT, given that in both Football and Basketball we use playoff and championship performance to measure greatness. Peyton's record speaks for itself. There are many QB who have better play - including Eli - when it's one and done time. I don't hate him in any way, I'll be sad when he retires. But, he's not the GOAT.

    Four quarters to go.

    It's both cool and sucky at the same time.



    Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 1:41 PM
    From: Brian
    Subject: Re: Zone Blitz
    To: Amy


    The Final Word

    Let's also not forget that Richard Sherman had a 4.2 High School GPA (how is that even possible), and a 3.9 GPA at Stanford. Yes, he has a bit of a competitive anger issue, but he also didn't curse, and was in complete control during that interview. He knew exactly what he was trying to accomplish, and America getting bent out of shape over it is laughable. He's a smart dude, and I think his words--completely backed up by his on-field play-- set the tone for that entire team.

    The roughing call had nothing to do with whether or not it was intentional. According to the rule book, if the punter's plant leg is hit by a defender, the 15 yard roughing call is to be automatic. That's just one of what were way too many errors to be made by an officiating crew in a championship game. If the players are performing at a championship level, then the officials should be expected to do the same. Ever since replay guru Dean Blandino has taken over, it seems that the on-field officiating has gone way down hill. These are the best football officials in the world. Get a call right, or find someone else who will. We've started to excuse these blunders way too much. These guys need to be held more accountable, and need to stop relying on replay to bail them out.

    My hope for Super Bowl Sunday is that the weather and officiating do not become the major storylines. This game has the potential to be great. It's the first time in history that the top scoring/passing offense will meet up against the top scoring/passing defense. But if the wind ramps up, or a nasty cold filters in to NYC, those are notorious passing game deterrents, and would play directly into Seattle's hands.

    While Seattle's run defense has shown some minor leaks at times this year, I have a hard time seeing Denver run the ball successfully against them. They also don't have the shifty quick receivers to take advantage of Seattle's length and physicality in the secondary. While Demaryius Thomas vs. Richard Sherman is the matchup of the game, I wouldn't be surprised to see Andre Caldwell play a relatively significant role in this game.

    For the sake of argument, let's say the weather isn't a huge factor. That should mean that the Broncos offense and Seahawks defense basically cancel each other out, as both are the strongest units in the league. That means this game comes down to the Seahawks offense vs. the Broncos defense. The Broncos did a great job in bottling up the run against New England, but Marshawn Lynch is a completely different, ummm... Beast. No matter the weather, I expect that Beastmode will be in full force, and that will be the biggest difference in this game.

    We've got nearly two weeks to prep this thing, so let's do it right. Any Super Bowl news or commentary can be submitted in the thread below. Call your shot. Tell us why Manning will or will not get his 2nd trophy. Discuss how a win or loss would impact his legacy. Or bring up anything else Super Bowl-related you'd like to talk about. Amy and I got the ball rolling, but now it's your turn. Your official Super Bowl Open Thread is now open for business.

    Comments 68 Comments
    1. Wordsworth's Avatar
      My thoughts on Richard Sherman:

      He talks a ton of trash, but he's certainly not the first player to do that. He doesn't have the market cornered on brashness. This got headlines because it was after an exciting NFC Championship game and tens of millions of people saw it live.

      It was disrespectful, but to Sherman's credit he has backed up his talk as the best corner in football this season. Deion Sanders was similar in the way he talked about himself, but he also backed it up and it worked out great for him. Sherman is an intelligent guy, but he's mouthy on the field.

      One thing I like, personally, is that we finally get something from a player in a postgame interview. They're always "one game at a time" and "this was a team effort" garbage. For once we got an honest, emotional (albeit derogatory) moment from an athlete. It dampens some of the excitement in that moment by turning a glorious victory into selfishness, but it was uncensored and without filter, which does not happen enough in sports.

      I've read a couple of his articles on The MMQB, and I like his style. I could do without a few degrees of the sh*t talking, though.
    1. Hoser's Avatar
      Meh...he's just playing a role. I'm good with it but then again I liked Ric Flair too. They are embracing the role of the WWF villan. That's all.

      As for the Superbowl...my official stance is one of vehement indifference mixed with the high likelihood of a tee time that coincides with the kick-off. Although I am rooting that Pete Carrol has a Michael Jackson Pepsi Commercial moment with a half time pyrotechnic. That would be awesome.
    1. Patrick Sullivan's Avatar
      IMO Sherman has realized the most famous DB of all time is Deion Sanders and is emulating him. Do I endorse that kind of behavior? No. Does it bother me? Again, no. I hope he realizes he just filled his team's biggest rival's tank with potent offseason fuel.
    1. Patrick Sullivan's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Hoser View Post
      Meh...he's just playing a role. I'm good with it but then again I liked Ric Flair too. They are embracing the role of the WWF villan. That's all.

      As for the Superbowl...my official stance is one of vehement indifference mixed with the high likelihood of a tee time that coincides with the kick-off. Although I am rooting that Pete Carrol has a Michael Jackson Pepsi Commercial moment with a half time pyrotechnic. That would be awesome.
      How deep is this hatred between the 'Chickens and the Niners? Does it predate the 'Hawks actually becoming competent? I mean, SEA has only been in the NFC for 12 or 13 years...
    1. Rich Gapinski's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Hoser View Post
      Meh...he's just playing a role. I'm good with it but then again I liked Ric Flair too. They are embracing the role of the WWF villan. That's all.

      As for the Superbowl...my official stance is one of vehement indifference mixed with the high likelihood of a tee time that coincides with the kick-off. Although I am rooting that Pete Carrol has a Michael Jackson Pepsi Commercial moment with a half time pyrotechnic. That would be awesome.
      Watch out for the eye rake.
    1. Hoser's Avatar
      It's really only been the last two years. When Seattle was riding Alexander and that bald dude to the SB the Niners weren't much of a team.
      That both of these teams are so good is what has catapulted the rivalry to 2001 Kings vs Lakers levels.
      I still have a much deeper level of hate for the Lambs and the Cowgirls.
    1. Nancy's Avatar
      So Sherman ran his mouth on national TV and people have their knickers in a knot over it? I heard about it before I actually saw it, and I thought the kid had said/done something really offensive. For God's sake, he didn't even use any good swear words or try to feel up Erin Andrews!! Sure, he was loud and had a crazed Border Collie look in his eyes, but from what I can tell he always looks that revved up before/during a game. He's intense.
      Do people really get that cheezed off by a little trash talking? Talk about sensitive...

      As far as the Superbowl goes....if there's one thing I know, it's that predicting how a team will perform in this game based on what they did throughout the season or even in the playoffs is pretty much pointless; I hope the Broncos win easily and Peyton Manning plays his greatest game, making the Seahawks defense look like a high school powder puff team. I doubt that will be the case, but I do think the Broncos' defense may be just good enough to keep the Seahawks from doing much offensively. If they can slow Lynch down enough to force Wilson into trying to carry the offense, I like the Broncos. If SF can score on Seattle, then so can Denver if they get reasonable--just reasonable--production out of Moreno and Ball. Manning gets the ball out much, much quicker than Wilson; this should keep that Seattle pass rush at bay just a little, and all that Broncos offense needs is "a little." But that's a best case scenario...if Lynch gets warmed up, that Seahawk offense becomes a much wilder beast. I don't think Denver can stop him for 4 quarters, so a nice big lead by the 4th quarter is probably necessary for them. If the Broncos don't get enough possessions early, or if they just can't get untracked, that defense will be wiped out before halftime and they'll end up playing from behind which is obviously disastrous against that nasty defense.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      Wilson's scrambles beat SF's fantastic defense. I think he'll handle Denver's rush with ease. Percy Harvin will be back and that's key. One thing of interest -- Denver seemed to struggle with the hurry-up. Seattle doesn't really do the hurry-up.

      The weather may or may not be a factor. It's still too early for a reliable forecast. This far out, climatology is more accurate. We'll have a more better forecast by Sunday or Monday, but we really need to wait until a week from Wednesday or so to be sure.

      I can see ways that Denver might win. But I see more ways for Seattle to win. I definitely believe that defense trumps offense. It helps that Seattle not only has a terrific defensive backfield, but also an excellent pass rush. They can neutralize Denver's most powerful weapon.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      wow.


      NFL on ESPN ‏@ESPNNFL 4m
      Controlling the field: All 16 of the Broncos Offensive drives have ended on their opponents side of the field.
    1. Wordsworth's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
      wow.


      NFL on ESPN ‏@ESPNNFL 4m
      Controlling the field: All 16 of the Broncos Offensive drives have ended on their opponents side of the field.
      Of the postseason?
    1. iwatt's Avatar
      The TOP battle against the Pats was ridiculous. They never had the ball.
    1. Trumpetbdw's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by iwatt View Post
      The TOP battle against the Pats was ridiculous. They never had the ball.
      Exactly. The score said that it was a 10 point game, but it wasn't that close. I got the sense that Denver could have thrown up a number in the mid-30 to 40 range relatively easily if they needed to.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Wordsworth View Post
      Of the postseason?

      I would assume.
    1. Wordsworth's Avatar


      Richard Sherman's inbox. lol

      Some good stuff in there.
    1. xmenehune's Avatar
      SB 48 has been dub'd the MJ Bowl and all other sorts of 'names'
      see http://www.eonline.com/news/501815/t...just-fantastic

      <just for the haze pic>
      brings new meaning to "smoke 'em if you got 'em" lol...
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      Bud Bowl
      Stupor Bowl.
      Spark-a-Bowl
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      Here's the dope on Super Bowl XLVIII. The Broncos leave the grass of Mile High for New Jersey, where Seattle means to blunt their smoking offense. QB Russel Wilson runs a plain Jane offense but, even so, he doesn't expect the Broncs to bogart the points. Both teams survived the weeding-out of the playoffs and while they're not best buds, there is mutual respect. The less-experienced players will have to cope with a dizzying two-week Bowl buzz and will surely be hoping for a spark on the big day.
    1. Patrick Sullivan's Avatar
      Raiderettes are suing the team for wage theft and unfair labor practices.

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...theft/4782315/
    1. darvon's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Sullivan View Post
      Raiderettes are suing the team for wage theft and unfair labor practices.

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...theft/4782315/
      Going to be packing them in at the ol' courthouse for this one.
    1. mikesteelnation1's Avatar
      Seems Mike munchak just signed on to be the Steelers o line coach... Good lord what an early Christmas present this is. Such a technical coach who does nothing but teach and elevate his linemans play with his clinical coaching..

      Seems signing on as the Steelers line coach is a better gig than the browns HC job...

      NO ONE wants the browns HC job... Like even a little.. everyone worth hiring keeps bowing out or taking another job...

      When all is said and done, retaining chud may have been the best option... Especially with the loss of both coordinators....