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    Cris Collinsworth

    Former Pro Bowl wide receiver for the Cincinnati Bengals and Emmy-winning analyst from Sunday Night Football and Inside the NFL.
    Dave Lapham
    Has called game for the Bengals radio network for 25 years. Analyst for Big 12 games on Fox Sports Net. Played 10 years in the NFL for the Cincinnati Bengals.
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    NFL quarterback for 10 years with the Bengals and Falcons. Has served as quarterback coach for the Buccaneers, Bills, Panthers, Giants and Saints and Offensive Coordinator for the Bills.
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  • I Said Stupid Stuff Too

    It's about time the players piped down. It seems as if every time they open their mouths these days they say stupid stuff, but I understand.

    Whether it's making angry comments about the owners, calling Roger Goodell a liar or saying that playing in the NFL is akin to "modern day slavery," they're not winning over any hearts or minds. Even Drew Brees, Mister Nice Guy, has been angry at the world lately. They're losing the PR war, and it's not the first time.

    NFL players are as competitive as any group on earth. They've been trained their whole lives to stick together and fight as a team. Their mentality is 'us against them.' Usually 'them' is the other team, but this time 'them' is management. This is a game where they can't tackle somebody, or run by somebody. Their main weapon is their words--all they can do now is lash out verbally, and they're out of their element.

    Listening to them is like deja vu. In 1987 we said stupid stuff too. I remember during the strike that year, after a heated team meeting, I went directly on the radio and said some stupid stuff I still regret. After a while, it all gets lost in the rhetoric.

    Comments 27 Comments
    1. Fixxxer's Avatar
      One thing is for sure, they're not making new fans with their latest comments.
    1. Dave Lapham's Avatar
      Information passed along from the negotiation table to the players goes through a few channels of communication. Sometimes it is like the game of secret, by the time it gets to the end, the message is very different. So players come out of update meetings with just enough information to be dangerous. A lot of times emotion is also running high which is a dicey mix. Things are then said to the media that are unfiltered and regrettable. I agree the best scenerio is leave commentary to those that are armed with all of the facts, not just partial information.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Me too. I had a letter to the editor written about me after my comments after a union meeting. I can't remember exactly what I said, but this guy wrote that he was having his kid take all my stuff off his wall.
    1. msclemons's Avatar
      I'm very lucky that I've never said anything stupid when I was angry.

      *cough cough*

      Just ignore my post history here, umkay?
    1. iwatt's Avatar
      24/7 media cycle and global communications excerbate a problem that is as old as civilization. The only reason we don't hear owners saying dumb stuff is that nobody is putting a mike in their faces 5 minutes after they've heard bad news. I'm betting Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder would be a well of bad PR if getting to them was easier.
    1. Swami's Avatar
      I bet that hurt, Cris. But I bet that kid either still has a CC jersey or has bought a new one, because you've comported yourself in an extremely admirable way over the years. We all get a mulligan or two along the way!
    1. darvon's Avatar
      Me too. I had a letter to the editor written about me after my comments after a union meeting. I can't remember exactly what I said, but this guy wrote that he was having his kid take all my stuff off his wall.
      That little kid was crushed and has harbored a resentment against players and sports unions generally. He worked hard in his studies and went to law school and grew up to be....


      Jeff Pash.
    1. Phil McConkey's Avatar
      My big regret at saying some of that stupid stuff, was that it hurt Wellington Mara. He was a father figure to many of us, but the turmoil put us on opposite sides during those 4 weeks. He had everyone's interest, the NFL and it's player's, ahead of his own. He was a man of great compassion that placed making money at the bottom of his priorities.
    1. darvon's Avatar
      @ Phil,

      Then why don't you take a few minutes and write that to John Mara. Let him know that players comments are sometimes regretted later. A short, hand-written note is an impactful device.
    1. Phil McConkey's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by darvon View Post
      @ Phil,

      Then why don't you take a few minutes and write that to John Mara. Let him know that players comments are sometimes regretted later. A short, hand-written note is an impactful device.
      I have been thinking about making a phone call to John, but your suggestion of doing it the old fashion way might be more meaningful. Thanks d.
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Phil McConkey View Post
      My big regret at saying some of that stupid stuff, was that it hurt Wellington Mara. He was a father figure to many of us, but the turmoil put us on opposite sides during those 4 weeks. He had everyone's interest, the NFL and it's player's, ahead of his own. He was a man of great compassion that placed making money at the bottom of his priorities.
      Like father, like son. The Maras have always gotten it. The Giants are not going to ask for a penny from their season ticket holders until we know there will be football in 2011. Class bunch.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by GoBigOrGoHome View Post
      Like father, like son. The Maras have always gotten it. The Giants are not going to ask for a penny from their season ticket holders until we know there will be football in 2011. Class bunch.
      That made me want to trade in my Bengals tickets for Giants tickets.
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Cris Collinsworth View Post
      That made me want to trade in my Bengals tickets for Giants tickets.
      Read this story. It's about Jets & Giants draft day parties for season ticket holders held simultaneously at the new stadium. Shows how classy the Giants are and how epicly small the Jets are.

      http://deadspin.com/#!5533012/tell-m...aft-party-ever
    1. SpartaChris's Avatar
      Yeah, this comparison of playing in the NFL to "Modern Day Slavery" by Adrian Peterson and backed up by Rashard Mendenhall is just ridiculous. Someone ought to inform them that A) They have other choices besides football, and B) Slaves weren't paid. These guys are.

      I'm sorry, but comparing playing in the NFL to slavery is not only naive and ignorant, but just flat dumb. I respect Peterson's abilities, but he lost any other respect he had from me.
    1. BuckeyeRidley's Avatar
      This stuff brings out the beast in folks when this messes with their profession and their money, it is going to be ugly. Warren Sapp called the NFL "Slave Masters" around 2004 and he was jeered, you know, with millions of dollars and designer clothes. It is best to say nothing but then again each man for himself.
    1. Ripperlicious's Avatar
      This is why I'm on board with the players. They are the novices vs. the sharks in this monetary battle. It's also much easier to control your message if it's just 32 individuals, as oppposed to 1500+.

      After this is all over, I will proudly wear my NFL jerseys again because I stood up for some of these momentary imbeciles.
    1. brauneyz's Avatar
      AP's comment was goofy, but I don't expect brilliant utterances from him. Now Kevin Mawae - that dude seriously needs a sock stuffed down his throat. And he's representing these idiot players?
    1. Phil McConkey's Avatar
      Why is Kevin Mawae so angry? Isn't his career over? Is he getting paid by the players?
    1. ScottDCP's Avatar
      Perhaps he is lobbying for D. Smith's position, in the event of a restructuring.
    1. brauneyz's Avatar
      This goes against everything I believe in (free market success and failure, tough love, .... whatever you want to call it), but these players need to be protected from themselves and quickly. They are acting emotionally and irrationally and getting lousy advice. Hot-headed warriors belong on the field, not in the bargaining room. Even if they do win a court battle here or there, they are losing huge in the long run.