• The More Tape I watch the Less I Like my Phil Simms Bet

    Phil Simms said no QB would be taken in the first 5 picks. I bet him a Cherry Coke that at least one would because teams can't help themselves. After watching some of the talent in this draft, I would not take a QB with one of the first 5 picks. There are some real players out there and I have just started watching the tape. I love Marcell Dareus and Nick Fairly. Big guys that can move like that are impossible to find. They should go 1-2. AJ Greeen is a tremendous talent. Patrick Peterson is an awesome athlete, but Prince Amukamara may be a better cover guy. I haven't even watched Von Miller yet, but I hear great things. I really don't put any of the QBs I have seen in the same class with some of these guys. I will keep watching, but I am saving my pennies for the Cherry Coke fund.

    We are about to land from the Dominican. I am looking forward to being back in the conversation. Mock Draft II is coming soon.

    Comments 25 Comments
    1. buzmeg's Avatar
      Cherry Coke fund? Are we talking about a drink (glass, can, bottle) or the entire Cherry Coke division of Coca Cola?
    1. Phil McConkey's Avatar
      I still think you'll win. Too many QB needy teams, all it takes is for one of them to reach. The stature of the top two QB's is elevated because there are no elite prospects, yet so many QB needy teams.
    1. Docta's Avatar
      You won't know how good Newton or Gabbert can be in the NFL until you give them a shot. If you're in need of a QB, you're not going to find any QB's with more potential than them in free agency. I'm pretty sure that every starting QB had at least one flaw coming out of college.
    1. Phil McConkey's Avatar
      @Docta

      I agree with your premise, but when drafting that high, missing on a QB can set you back big time.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      The first 5 teams in the draft all have questions at QB (assuming Carson Palmer is serious, which he appears to be.)

      That's why they're the first 5 teams in the draft!

      It's hard to believe that all 5 will show the restraint necessary to not use their first pick on their greatest need.

      You can argue that if one of them drafts a QB they'll have made a mistake. But it's not exactly breaking news that a team will reach and fall flat on its face, even in the first round.

      I'm guessing you're safe, Chris. But you might use the occasion to ask Simms why he drinks an imitation when the original, Dr. Pepper, is so much better.
    1. brauneyz's Avatar
      OK, I don't watch much college ball so I'm rather out of my element here, but I want to go on record as saying that I believe a QB (Gabbert is my guess) goes in the top 5. Cam goes in the top 15. Bring it on!
    1. Dave Lapham's Avatar
      As you always say Cris, the NFL is a QB driven league. It boils down to the simplest of economics........there is a much bigger demand for serviceable QBs than there is a supply. Therefore the value of each of this year's prospects gets inflated. I do agre with Phil, you miss on a top 5 QB pick, you set your franchise back a decade or so. One of the teams in the top 5 will fall victim to the urge to pull the trigger early. But I also agree that there is not a true top 5 talent at the QB position in this draft.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      The other way to look at this is that this may be the year to roll the dice on a QB. You may get a rookie wage scale so it won't matter. But, I saw Gabbert on tape watching one of the defensive players and it made me nervous about him too. I am not sure any of these guys are going to make it in the NFL. I could win the Cherry Coke, but Phil could be right about them all.
    1. ScottDCP's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Cris Collinsworth View Post
      I am not sure any of these guys are going to make it in the NFL. I could win the Cherry Coke, but Phil could be right about them all.
      Can I bet you a Virgil's Bavarian Nutmeg Root Beer that the guys in this year's class who will make it will be two out of Ponder, Dalton, and Kapaernick?
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Cris Collinsworth View Post
      The other way to look at this is that this may be the year to roll the dice on a QB. You may get a rookie wage scale so it won't matter. But, I saw Gabbert on tape watching one of the defensive players and it made me nervous about him too. I am not sure any of these guys are going to make it in the NFL. I could win the Cherry Coke, but Phil could be right about them all.

      I think you hit the nail on the head here. You'll win the bet, but IMO Phil is right that there's no QB worth a top 5 pick.

      Personally, I don't see a QB worth a Top 20 pick this year.
    1. wxwax's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Cris Collinsworth View Post
      I could win the Cherry Coke, but Phil could be right about them all.
      Sounds right.

      I'm just really curious about Ponder.
    1. hobbes27's Avatar
      There isn't a QB that is one fo the five best players in this draft. Heck, I don't think Gabbert or Newton are top 10 players. The thing is, teams draft on needs, not who is the best available player. Which is why I think Cris is still getting his Cherry Coke.
    1. Jerry Jones's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
      I think you hit the nail on the head here. You'll win the bet, but IMO Phil is right that there's no QB worth a top 5 pick.

      Personally, I don't see a QB worth a Top 20 pick this year.
      So far, there does not appear to be a quarterback truly worthy of a Top Ten pick but that doesn't necessarily mean that some team will not roll the dice early.

      Surely there is one team or more that are backing off because of-
      The Wunderlic test scores of Green and Peterson.
      Bowers' knee injury.
      Dareus' production, good but top five good?
      Miller's union tie-in before he is even in the league.
      Quinn's medical problem from his senior high school year.
      Fairley's one big year only.
      Jones' questions on foot injury and hands (really more on focus).
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by wxwax View Post
      Sounds right.

      I'm just really curious about Ponder.
      i Watched him. He has some talent, but he is like so many of these guys, they are all move guys that look good in college. Can they sit in the pocket and complete 65%? Gabbert probably has the best chance, but is no lock. Mallett would be my x-factor guy. He is a pure pocket passer and has a chance. He would be my second round pick for almost any team.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Jones View Post
      So far, there does not appear to be a quarterback truly worthy of a Top Ten pick but that doesn't necessarily mean that some team will not roll the dice early.

      Surely there is one team or more that are backing off because of-
      The Wunderlic test scores of Green and Peterson.
      Bowers' knee injury.
      Dareus' production, good but top five good?
      Miller's union tie-in before he is even in the league.
      Quinn's medical problem from his senior high school year.
      Fairley's one big year only.
      Jones' questions on foot injury and hands (really more on focus).
      Julio Jones is not much of a route runner yet. He is strong, fast, and athletic, but is very green as a route runner. Green has the quickness in his routes of Chad Johnson in his prime. He is a lanky play-ground basketball player type, that has great natural skills. He would be my clear cut pick at receiver of the two.
    1. Turk Schonert's Avatar
      Just got back from Florida and unlike Cris, I didn't bring my laptop to do work, so I've been out of the loop for a little while. I see the first QB going to Tennessee at pick #8, then Minnesota taking one at pick #12. Rookie QB's aren't going to help anyone win this year, especially if the lockout goes into July or later. Cinti and Arizona look to be in dire straits at the QB position, but I think they will go the route of free agency at QB, and possibly draft a QB after round 1. Sorry Cris ... No Cherry Coke in my forecast.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Turk Schonert View Post
      Just got back from Florida and unlike Cris, I didn't bring my laptop to do work, so I've been out of the loop for a little while. I see the first QB going to Tennessee at pick #8, then Minnesota taking one at pick #12. Rookie QB's aren't going to help anyone win this year, especially if the lockout goes into July or later. Cinti and Arizona look to be in dire straits at the QB position, but I think they will go the route of free agency at QB, and possibly draft a QB after round 1. Sorry Cris ... No Cherry Coke in my forecast.
      What do you think of Kevin Kolb? New rumors that Cincinnati may be interested. That makes more sense than drafting a QB in a year in which Carson Palmer may never show and your draft pick may have no off-season and little training camp to learn the offense.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by buzmeg View Post
      Cherry Coke fund? Are we talking about a drink (glass, can, bottle) or the entire Cherry Coke division of Coca Cola?
      I have no comment.
    1. BuckeyeRidley's Avatar
      Lookin' forward to Mock Draft II I might call myself the Fightin' Donkey Kongs. Also, Yeah----Phil Simms is likely not whistlin' this year. I think there will be no Qbs taken with the first 5 picks this year. I get a hunch they'll be waiting for some time and Newton won't go first.
    1. brauneyz's Avatar
      Just read that Mayock moved Cam ahead of Locker as his #1. Sounds really sold on him. Really confused now, as I thought Locker has slipped quite a ways in everyone's mind. Where the heck are they placing Gabbert now?

      I think I need this draft to take place already.