• Turk Talk™: Quarterback Progressions


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    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Turk Talk rules.
    1. Shamrock's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by GoBigOrGoHome View Post
      Turk Talk rules.
      Would you say poise and patience are essential to getting though route progressions? How do you teach a QB to stay poised under extreme pocket heat?
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Shamrock View Post
      Would you say poise and patience are essential to getting though route progressions? How do you teach a QB to stay poised under extreme pocket heat?
      Old football adage: You can't teach size.

      You can't teach poise, either.
    1. msclemons's Avatar
      Love it Turk. I see you have trademarked Turk Talk and I heartily approve.

      Now, being an obnoxious type I have even more questions.

      1) I've noticed you only diagram one back plays. Is the fullback pretty much gone from modern passing offenses? (Tom Rathman is weeping)

      2) Is there a rhythm to the progressive reads? I'm guessing the QB has to decide the progression prior to the snap. After the snap how much time does he give each read? I remember Gruden or Holmgren or someone saying the ideal was a read per step during the drop but I may have misunderstood.

      3) How do exceptional defenders like Palomalu affect reads? With a guy like that does the QB always just assume MOFC?

      4) If I'm at a Hartford game and I hold up a sign saying "Go Henry!" will you shoot me? What about a sign with the Turk Talk™ logo?

      5) Is Jerry Glanville planning to leave tickets for Elvis again?

      6) Can you convince the Colonials to sign Alex Smith so the 49ers won't?
    1. Turk Schonert's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by msclemons View Post
      Love it Turk. I see you have trademarked Turk Talk and I heartily approve.

      Now, being an obnoxious type I have even more questions.

      1) I've noticed you only diagram one back plays. Is the fullback pretty much gone from modern passing offenses? (Tom Rathman is weeping)

      2) Is there a rhythm to the progressive reads? I'm guessing the QB has to decide the progression prior to the snap. After the snap how much time does he give each read? I remember Gruden or Holmgren or someone saying the ideal was a read per step during the drop but I may have misunderstood.

      3) How do exceptional defenders like Palomalu affect reads? With a guy like that does the QB always just assume MOFC?

      4) If I'm at a Hartford game and I hold up a sign saying "Go Henry!" will you shoot me? What about a sign with the Turk Talk™ logo?

      5) Is Jerry Glanville planning to leave tickets for Elvis again?

      6) Can you convince the Colonials to sign Alex Smith so the 49ers won't?
      A) I like 2 back sets as well, but with all of the blitzing defenses, offenses are opting to spread the formation more. FB's aren't generally a threat in the pass game when spread out, and being in a 2 back set allows the defense to put more people around the L.O.S., which makes it tougher for the QB to see who's coming. Plus, it's harder to find FB's from the college game these days.

      B) There should always be a rhythm to the progression. A pre-snap read is just that, a QB has to decipher the coverage as he drops. A QB should know where the ball is going by the time his back foot hits on his drop. Throws are 0 step, 1 hitch step, and 2 hitch step throws.

      C) QB's have to read coverages as they drop with players like Palomalu.

      D) As long as it doesn't say Turk Go Home, I'm good with it. Love to see you at a game!!

      E) Costello I think

      F) How much do we get paid to take him off your hands?
    1. Ragar's Avatar
      Good stuff as always.

      As clem asked in 2), it would seem that the QB has to get an idea from film study on which potential coverage (man, zone, 3 deep)for progression pre snap - 1st read and has an immediate post snap read as well on LB coverage to dictate progression side - 2nd read, then to throw the ball based upon individual coverage - 3rd read...so it would seem that at a minimum a QB has to make at least 3 reads for each pass attempt, 2 post snap.

      So is the advantage of qb's to be in the shotgun to quicken the 3rd read (with disadvantage being eyes down on ball to recieve snap therefore not seeing the defensive first movement - the 2nd read) or in under center with eyes on defense entire time - 2nd read, but having to drop back to get into position to make 3rd read (pass-no pass)? [removing the offensive line advantages/disadvantages to shotgun in this question]
    1. GGEden's Avatar
      Thanks Turk for posting these videos. I've subscribed to your channel.
    1. Dave Lapham's Avatar
      Great stuff Turk, coming from a guy who has both played and coached the QB position at the highest level. It is amazing how much a QB has to be aware of at all times. Quick mindedness is my #1 attribute for QB success and when I watch Turk Talk it confirms it to me. Who was the most quick minded QB you ever played with or coached?
    1. BuckeyeRidley's Avatar
      The Colonials are gonna have some Good Plays Man. Also, I can see why when some teams aren't as complex or upgraded with their play calling, schemes how they can fail during the season. Like you gotta switch it up with each team.