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  • AJ Green v. Julio Jones

    There seems to be a big drop off at the wide receiver position after AJ Green and Julio Jones in this years draft. In fact, they may be the only two to go in the first round.

    This is a bit of a surprise, considering the proliferation of spread offenses in college football. They're throwing the ball all over the place and you'd think they would produce more first round WR's. Bill Parcells, in his draft show last night when discussing running backs, said college's are not producing as many running backs as they use to because of the spread. Then where are all the WR's?

    Many believe AJ Green is the best player in this draft. However, Julio Jones seems to be climbing the draft boards, a few even have him rated ahead of Green. I'm not buying it, not for a second.
    Our own ScottDCP cites Jones' average hands. The fact is, Jones drops 7.4% of passes thrown to him. That's way too many. He has tremendous athletic abilility and can be a game breaker. Maybe we'll give him a mulligan since he started last season with a broken hand, and perhaps it contributed to the high number of drops.

    The hands may not be the problem at all, it might be the eyes. I always believed that eyes were more important when catching the ball. For me, it was always about training my eyes to, located the ball, anticipate the speed, then look it in. Julio, I'm sure, can learn drills to increase his concentration and reduce the number of drops. But to think he's close to Green, a guy who has vacuum cleaners for hands, I don't see it.

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    1. darvon's Avatar
      WR is the 2nd most drafted position in the First Round, so I think this year is just anomalous. I think AJG is much better. But I wouldn't draft him until the 2nd or maybe 3rd year of a rebuilding cycle.

      Depends on the team, but you need to rebuild in a sequence or you waste years and careers.
    1. bluestree's Avatar
      Mayock has Jonathan Baldwin from Pitt going in the first, I think. One thing I noticed about the top prospects, once you get past the top three, there's a plethora of short guys out there. Titus Young and Torrey Smith hover around six foot or so, then Randall Cobb, and Jernigan are under. And don't forget, wait for it, Cecil Shorts from Mount Union.
      I never got drafting receivers high when most of them take three years to develop. Same with DT's, but I guess you gotta buy the upside or somebody else will.
    1. Phil McConkey's Avatar
      What would your sequence be? I'm thinking: QB, DL, OL, LB, DB, RB, WR
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Or you get a world-class receiver like Megatron and he languishes for six years stuck on a rebuilding team and does not reach his full potential until he spurns you to go catch passes from Tom Brady.

      My nightmare Calvin Johnson scenario...

      Julio Jones is an exceptional downfield blocker and is obviously a very tough guy. But AJ Green is freak. Freaky good wideouts are few and far between. Take the freak.
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by bluestree View Post
      Mayock has Jonathan Baldwin from Pitt going in the first, I think. One thing I noticed about the top prospects, once you get past the top three, there's a plethora of short guys out there. Titus Young and Torrey Smith hover around six foot or so, then Randall Cobb, and Jernigan are under. And don't forget, wait for it, Cecil Shorts from Mount Union.
      I never got drafting receivers high when most of them take three years to develop. Same with DT's, but I guess you gotta buy the upside or somebody else will.
      Ndamukong Suh and Calvin Johnson would like a word with you, bluestree.

      //Off to count my blessings...
    1. Turk Schonert's Avatar
      The WR coaches that I have talked to have said that it isn't even close between Green and Jones. Think Calvin Johnson with better feet, better route running, that's Green.
    1. darvon's Avatar
      @Phil,

      First year Strength
      Second year Brains
      Third year Speed

      You can vary a bit in the 3/4/5 rounds but I really worry about how long speed lasts, so I want to add it last. Speed positions, WR, RB, OLB, CB.

      Brain positions QB, Center/OG, ILB/FS/TE/slot receivers

      Strength OT/DT/DE (bull style)/ some ILB /SS Some RB.

      Some variance among these, but generally like that.
    1. Phil McConkey's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Turk Schonert View Post
      The WR coaches that I have talked to have said that it isn't even close between Green and Jones. Think Calvin Johnson with better feet, better route running, that's Green.

      Wow, I knew Green was good, but not that good.
    1. Phil McConkey's Avatar
      @darvon

      That looks like George Young's blueprint for building a team. Parcells and Belichich are disciples.
    1. bluestree's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by GoBigOrGoHome View Post
      Ndamukong Suh and Calvin Johnson would like a word with you, bluestree.
      True, but for every Suh you have four or five Sedrick Ellis's and a few Crabtree's and Bryants, too. You do need to count your blessings. I think pretty soon you'll be counting playoff games.
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by bluestree View Post
      True, but for every Suh you have four or five Sedrick Ellis's and a few Crabtree's and Bryants, too. You do need to count your blessings. I think pretty soon you'll be counting playoff games.
      I'll take that.
    1. Andy Freeland's Avatar
      Green over Jones, it's really not close. After Jones put up amazing numbers at the combine there was some talk of him passing Green, but then everyone watched some tape and came back to earth. Jones is a good player and a top 15 pick, but he's not A.J. Green.

      After that it's a mess. Baldwin has 1st round talent, but he's a risk because of off-field problems. I like Torrey Smith a little more than most. He's a little raw, but he's more than just a speed guy and he can help immediately with returns. Smith's biggest issue is that he's fast and went to Maryland, people see Darrius Heyward-Bey. Raw or not, Smith will be better than DHB in his first year.
    1. Jerry Jones's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Phil McConkey View Post
      Wow, I knew Green was good, but not that good.
      Phil,
      Having seen all his games, I am convinced that A.J. Green is very, very special. Precise patterns, great hands and agility, very sharp cuts, excellent concentration, plays faster than the timings, unafraid over the middle, a team player willing to block or play the decoy role. He's got the whole package and he's a good guy. He interviews well at the Georgia games so I think the Wunderlic score could have been a fluke. He appears to be a little shy off the field.

      On Julio Jones, I agree that the problem is not necessarily hands. My guess is focus and taking his eyes off the ball while he might be anticipating what he will do after the catch. He certainly has the athletic ability.
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Turk Schonert View Post
      The WR coaches that I have talked to have said that it isn't even close between Green and Jones. Think Calvin Johnson with better feet, better route running, that's Green.
      That is some high, high praise.
    1. Bengals1181's Avatar
      It's not even up for argument. Green over Jones hands down and its not even close, its embarrassing that it's even brought up by some.
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Having seen all his games, I am convinced that A.J. Green is very, very special. Precise patterns, great hands and agility, very sharp cuts, excellent concentration, plays faster than the timings, unafraid over the middle, a team player willing to block or play the decoy role. He's got the whole package and he's a good guy. He interviews well at the Georgia games so I think the Wunderlic score could have been a fluke. He appears to be a little shy off the field.
      Megatron scored a 28 on the Wunderlic. After that this sounds like a description of CJ. Especially the 'shy off the field' part.
    1. Trumpetbdw's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by darvon View Post
      @Phil,

      First year Strength
      Second year Brains
      Third year Speed

      You can vary a bit in the 3/4/5 rounds but I really worry about how long speed lasts, so I want to add it last. Speed positions, WR, RB, OLB, CB.

      Brain positions QB, Center/OG, ILB/FS/TE/slot receivers

      Strength OT/DT/DE (bull style)/ some ILB /SS Some RB.

      Some variance among these, but generally like that.
      I agree with this almost completely. You always build from the inside out

      The only amendment... If you have a chance to grab a potential franchise QB, you have to do it. I know they had Chad Pennington, who had a good year, and Jake Long is a good player, but I have to believe that Miami would be much better off today if they had grabbed Matt Ryan. It's a lot easier to 2nd guess missing on a LT than it is missing out on a franchise defining QB.
    1. msclemons's Avatar
      I'm an amateur at evaluating players but Green really reminds me of Terrell Owens minus the head trauma. He looks like a man playing with boys in the few videos I've seen of him.

      Jones doesn't look anywhere close to his track speed on the field and he has Braylon Edwards disease.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      4.35 v. 4.5 is the discussion. I agree Green looks better on tape, but he cannot get behind NFL corners consistently. If Jones had a broken foot it could explain drops. Your head cannot stay level when you cannot run equally on both feet. It is a toss-up for me. Jones can fly and showed a lot going through the combine on a broken foot.
    1. Ripperlicious's Avatar
      Perhaps AJGreen can't get behind CBs down the sideline consistently, but he's a heckuva route runner who could take the slant and wiggle his way through traffic a al Greg Jennings.

      Plus, AJGreen's ability to catch highly contested passes further seperates him because it doesn't matter if you can get open, it only matters if you catch it (I'm talking to you James Jones).