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  • Best Players From the NFC North NOT in the Hall of Fame

    Same rules. No current players or players that are not yet eligible. They have to be on the list and voted down at least once to make our list. NFC North:

    Green Bay Packers: Jerry Kramer, Dave Robinson (LBer), Antonio Freeman, Sterling Sharp, Leroy Butler.

    Chicago Bears: Neil Anderson, Wilber Marshall, Steve McMichael, Jimbo Covert, Jay Hilgenberg.

    Minnesota Vikings: Cris Carter, Jim Marshall, Chuck Foreman, Steve Jordan, Mick Tinglehoff, Chris Doleman

    Detroit Lions: Chris Spielman, Herman Moore, Robert Porcher, Kevin Glover, Mel Gray, Lomas Brown, Alex Karras.

    I am sure I am leaving guys off the list. Help me with names and vote.

    Comments 36 Comments
    1. Polishguy00's Avatar
      Easier. Kramer, Mongo, Carter and Porcher. Porcher was severely underrated.
    1. Dave Lapham's Avatar
      Packers: Jerry Kramer was a key piece of the Packer dynasty under Lombardi.
      Bears: Wilbur Marshall was a genetic freak at the LB position.
      Vikings: Cris Carter is deservedly on the doorstep of the HOF.
      Lions: Having trouble. A lot of great players, but HOF worthy?
    1. MadisonGolfbum's Avatar
      Agree on GB Packer Jerry Kramer.
    1. Jeremy's Avatar
      Jerry Kramer for the Packers. He's often considered the best player NOT to be in the HOF. Many assume he is and are shocked to learn that he's not.

      On the other side of the coin, how did Antonio Freeman get into the discussion? He's not even close to HOF worthy.
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Dave Lapham View Post
      Lions: Having trouble. A lot of great players, but HOF worthy?
      Herman Moore
    1. Pulyx's Avatar
      From the Bears i think Jimbo Covert and Jay Hilgenberg, only the BEST center in the NFL during the 80's should be in there.
      Also Keith Van Horne.
      People love to Rememeber Sweetness for the amazing player he was but they tend to forget the badass offensive line he ran behind. (Can't say they were the best pass protectors ever, othewise Bears would've been champs in 86).
      But that offensive line is often and unfairly forgotten.

      Also, a shame but Dave Duerson deserved some consideration. Though Not urgent.
    1. Trumpetbdw's Avatar
      Green Bay: I agree with the Jerry Kramer support, but I'm going to go with Dave Robinson, who is also very worthy.

      Chicago: Neil Anderson was a heckuva player who is a bit underrated because he followed THE legend. That said, probably Wilbur Marshall.

      Minnesota: Same as with GB. Carter is the obvious choice, and I agree, but for Jim Marshall to have been the NFL Ironman at a position like DE, and to have the successful career he did, yet not be in the HOF is a joke.

      Detroit: Herman Moore was the best of that bunch, but considering the standards for WR entering the HOF, he'll never get the proper support.

      Growing up, watching guys like Jerry Kramer, Dave Robinson, and Jim Marshall on NFL Films, I always had assumed they were in the hall of fame. I knew about Kramer, but it wasn't until I actually visited the hall 3 years ago that I even realized Robinson and Marshall weren't in.
    1. bengalhoel's Avatar
      I thought Billy Sims might get some Lions love, but he only played five years. What happened to him? Was it an injury? He had hof numbers at the start of his career. Anyway

      GB: Tony Mandarich just kidding Jerry Kramer because I am not familiar with him but everyone else loves him.

      Chi: Wilbur Marshall Very tough member of an outstanding Bears D in the 80's

      Minn: How is Jim Marshall not in the Hall of Fame. Has the consecutive games started streak for a non QB (I think) in an ERA where injuries would end careers not just seasons. Came out of intensive care to Start a game on the same day, according to NFL films. I love Chris Carter but this is what football is all about.

      Det: Alot of good players not many HOF worthy. I would go with Porcher on this one
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Trumpetbdw View Post
      Detroit: Herman Moore was the best of that bunch, but considering the standards for WR entering the HOF, he'll never get the proper support.
      There have only been three guys who have made 100+ receptions in three different seasons.

      1) Marvin Harrison
      2) Jerry Rice
      3) Herman Moore
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by bengalhoel View Post
      I thought Billy Sims might get some Lions love, but he only played five years. What happened to him? Was it an injury? He had hof numbers at the start of his career.
      Torn ACL ended Sims' career.
    1. Trumpetbdw's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by GoBigOrGoHome View Post
      There have only been three guys who have made 100+ receptions in three different seasons.

      1) Marvin Harrison
      2) Jerry Rice
      3) Herman Moore
      I agree with you 100%. Herman Moore was a GREAT player, and for his peak, I'd easily choose him over Cris Carter. However, you know as well as I at how the HOF voting works, and unfortunately, not only will he not get in, but he may never even make it to a vote on HOF day.

      I hope the veterans committee will give him his due at some point, but I don't think it's coming before that point.
    1. GoBigOrGoHome's Avatar
      Herman Moore is not considered for the HofF because he played for the Lions. If he had played for the Cowboys or Redskins, he'd get consideration.

      Oh, and Ol' Herman never got busted with drugs or hookers.

      /thinks HofF voting is a sham.
    1. bluestree's Avatar
      For Green Bay I would add Sterling Sharpe. Has the numbers, short career, but look at the tape and also he played on teams with zero ground game.
      Lions-Mike Lucci? Kind of a stretch. He was a bad ass back in the day.
      Bears-Rosie Taylor. Willie Gallimore?
      Vikings-Bill Brown. Three yards and a cloud of snirt. (A snow/dirt hybrid)
      OK, none of these guys but Sharpe is HoF worthy, and Sterling won't get in, but they were key guys in their era that you had to account for.
    1. bengalhoel's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by GoBigOrGoHome View Post
      Herman Moore is not considered for the HofF because he played for the Lions. If he had played for the Cowboys or Redskins, he'd get consideration.

      Oh, and Ol' Herman never got busted with drugs or hookers.

      /thinks HofF voting is a sham.
      Im feelin' you on this one. Lions and Bengals = no respect when it comes to HOF voters. Look how long it took Dick Lebeau into the HOF, and that was probably only because he is the Defensive Coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

      Maybe its the Big Cat Bias. If it is, good luck to future Panthers and Jaguars!
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Pulyx View Post
      From the Bears i think Jimbo Covert and Jay Hilgenberg, only the BEST center in the NFL during the 80's should be in there.
      Also Keith Van Horne.
      People love to Rememeber Sweetness for the amazing player he was but they tend to forget the badass offensive line he ran behind. (Can't say they were the best pass protectors ever, othewise Bears would've been champs in 86).
      But that offensive line is often and unfairly forgotten.

      Also, a shame but Dave Duerson deserved some consideration. Though Not urgent.
      Done. I added your guys to the voting.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by bluestree View Post
      For Green Bay I would add Sterling Sharpe. Has the numbers, short career, but look at the tape and also he played on teams with zero ground game.
      Lions-Mike Lucci? Kind of a stretch. He was a bad ass back in the day.
      Bears-Rosie Taylor. Willie Gallimore?
      Vikings-Bill Brown. Three yards and a cloud of snirt. (A snow/dirt hybrid)
      OK, none of these guys but Sharpe is HoF worthy, and Sterling won't get in, but they were key guys in their era that you had to account for.
      Adding Sterling. He is my guy anyway.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Good players on bad teams are part of the reason for doing this. Plus, I want to get Kenny Anderson in the mix. (And bored with hope fading).
    1. fyke62's Avatar
      GB: Freeman
      Bears: Marshall
      Vikes:Carter
      Lions: Brown
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Wilber Marshall went to my high school. Dunked two basketball's on the same jump on the first day of HS basketball. Coach said, "Welcome to the varsity son."
    1. Trumpetbdw's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by GoBigOrGoHome View Post
      Herman Moore is not considered for the HofF because he played for the Lions. If he had played for the Cowboys or Redskins, he'd get consideration.

      Oh, and Ol' Herman never got busted with drugs or hookers.

      /thinks HofF voting is a sham.
      Herman was the man. Those Lions teams, with Sanders, Moore, Perriman, etc, peaked at a time when Madden was first starting to make it's mark. That was one of the all-time fun teams in video game history.

      Also, I'd like to nominate Mel Gray for consideration.
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