• Hardest Question in Football: What Would You Do With Aqib Talib and Kenny Britt?

    I know the lockout prevents players from being punished for off-the-field indiscretions, but Aqib Talib and Kenny Britt have to be in the on-deck circle for team/league imposed punishment after their respective off-seasons. Here are two of the most talented young players in the league who simply cannot find peace off the field. The easy answer is get rid of them. But, then you may have to play against them. They are both young enough to return to the game even if their indiscretions warrant a suspension and/or jail time. We have seen many players have run-ins with the law and return to stardom. (Mike Vick being the latest).

    I think the teams actually likes when the league takes action. It allows the teams to support a punishment and the player at the same time. It really protects the relationship between team and player during a difficult time. If the teams has to suspend the player, bitter feelings follow.

    Two young coaches will have to take the lead, Mike Munchak with Kenny Britt, and Raheem Morris with Aqib Talib. Obviously, Morris has the tougher call because of the more serious nature of the accusations against Talib, but Munchak is trying to show that he is going to set a new standard for his players as a first year head coach. What would you do in each situation?

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    1. ReaderM's Avatar
      As a Bucs fan, have been going though many different scenarios over Talib. From a player standpoint, he is probably the 2nd most talent person on the roster behind Freeman and the Bucs players when asked for comment have all made sure to point out he is no where near a Locker Room Cancer.

      Personally I'm of the thought that since all this is occurring during the Lockout the NFL doesn't have right to try and enforce the Personal Conduct Policy during a time in which there isn't one technically. Honestly,I think the stance the Bucs will take is wait and see. If Aqib is found innocent, then no action will be done. But if he is pleads out or found guilty, then some action will be taken in games suspended for a while*

      *the wild card here is if in FA,the Bucs make a surprise bid on everyone's favorite Oakland CB and get him. Then the Bucs cut Talib and roll with him,Ronde for 1 year,&2 guys they high on in E.J Biggers and Myron Lewis
    1. msclemons's Avatar
      Kenny Britt just continues to make stupid mistakes. I think a two game suspension is probably in order.

      Aqib is a tougher situation. If he did what he's accused of then the idea of a suspension will be moot. He'll be in jail for at least a year. If he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time then I can't see a suspension but the team will have to let him know to stay the heck out of those situations in the future.

      It really protects the relationship between team and player during a difficult time. If the teams has to suspend the player, bitter feelings follow.
      This is so true. After Terrell Owens danced on the Dallas star Mariucci was convinced the league would suspend TO for two games so he preemptively suspended TO for one. Owens never forgave Mariucci for that and it was about that time TO turned into melanoma in the locker room.
    1. DannyMilk's Avatar
      Britt's gone, for me...for Aquib, I think I would take a team/coaching staff vote...if they want him to stay, and just based on a year missing or whatever it would be, tally votes...not sure, but I think more teams should do this, albeit every GM has final say (and rightly so)
    1. ZambianBillsFan's Avatar
      From a legal stand point, they didn't break any team rules or personal conduct policy because of the lockout. So how and why should a team or the league punish them?
      If their coaches are dumb enough to let them go after the lockout, bring them to Buffalo, we could use these two.

      I say, let sleeping dogs lie.
    1. ScottDCP's Avatar
      I'd try to find a new home for them. Looks like they're both idiots surrounded by a layer of entitlement. If nobody wants to give me a fifth rounder for either one, I hit Britt hard, where it counts against his future earnings, plant him in one of the eight Did Not Play slots for half the year, then see how he has scheduled his social calendar the rest of the year (they're likely to stink anyway.)

      Talib. He'll be in jail, so the problem will eventually take care of itself. Until then, innocent until proven guilty (Duke lacrosse rape hoax, anyone?) and I'm still trying to trade him because he's an ass. At the same time no off days, return every kick, work his butt off until he's too tired to get off the couch and menace society.
    1. SpartaChris's Avatar
      I suppose any disciplinary action will depend on the terms of the new CBA. If the players allow the league to enforce retroactive discipline over guys like Talib and Britt, then there will most definitely be multiple game suspensions. If not, then I'm not sure the coaches have the right to enforce any kind of discipline at all. As was stated previously, no CBA = no personal conduct policy, and no personal conduct policy = players doing what they want free from league or team imposed repercussions.

      What I don't know is if there is any distinction between a LEAGUE personal conduct policy and a TEAM personal conduct policy. It might be possible that the players are still held to a team standard, even though the league standard is on hiatus right now. If it is, then the coaches need to take disciplinary measures and make it known this kind of behavior will not be accepted. I know that's easier said than done, but I think players respect coaches who are willing to take those matters into their own hands more over the long run than coaches who just let the players do what they want.

      Maybe the better question is, What would Bill Belichick do?
    1. ScottDCP's Avatar
      Do you think Turk would take Kenny Britt if the NFL got tired of his act?
    1. Dave Lapham's Avatar
      With Tlaib I let the legal system run its course. His punishment will probably be determined for you. He had a reputation as a horse's ass at Kansas too. You wonder if this will be the impetus for him to to wake up and smell the coffee. A bad precedent for teams not to take action on players that need discipline. Even though the the lockout may make it murky legally for the NFL, you can't have players in a free for all mindset feeling there are no repercussions for their actions. You are talking total mayhem. There has to be a set of rules players must have to live by to be part of an NFL team. Don't necessarily part ways, but enforce some discipline. Teams still have the rights to players under contract even during a lockout. Teams have to hold players to some sort of standard.
    1. msclemons's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by ScottDCP View Post
      Do you think Turk would take Kenny Britt if the NFL got tired of his act?
      Turk could diagram a new play "Cop Blunt Smash" for Britt to use when evidence needs to be hidden.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by ReaderM View Post
      As a Bucs fan, have been going though many different scenarios over Talib. From a player standpoint, he is probably the 2nd most talent person on the roster behind Freeman and the Bucs players when asked for comment have all made sure to point out he is no where near a Locker Room Cancer.

      Personally I'm of the thought that since all this is occurring during the Lockout the NFL doesn't have right to try and enforce the Personal Conduct Policy during a time in which there isn't one technically. Honestly,I think the stance the Bucs will take is wait and see. If Aqib is found innocent, then no action will be done. But if he is pleads out or found guilty, then some action will be taken in games suspended for a while*

      *the wild card here is if in FA,the Bucs make a surprise bid on everyone's favorite Oakland CB and get him. Then the Bucs cut Talib and roll with him,Ronde for 1 year,&2 guys they high on in E.J Biggers and Myron Lewis
      Ronde Barber's age doesn't make it easy to dump him. Good point.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by ScottDCP View Post
      I'd try to find a new home for them. Looks like they're both idiots surrounded by a layer of entitlement. If nobody wants to give me a fifth rounder for either one, I hit Britt hard, where it counts against his future earnings, plant him in one of the eight Did Not Play slots for half the year, then see how he has scheduled his social calendar the rest of the year (they're likely to stink anyway.)

      Talib. He'll be in jail, so the problem will eventually take care of itself. Until then, innocent until proven guilty (Duke lacrosse rape hoax, anyone?) and I'm still trying to trade him because he's an ass. At the same time no off days, return every kick, work his butt off until he's too tired to get off the couch and menace society.
      Think the Steelers regret letting Santonio Holmes go? They beat the Jets in the playoffs, but Holmes was one of the best clutch receivers in the league. The Steelers only got a 5th.
    1. Cris Collinsworth's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by ScottDCP View Post
      Do you think Turk would take Kenny Britt if the NFL got tired of his act?
      Turk would ride his company bicycle to pick him up. I can't wait to watch Turk's games.
    1. mikesteelnation1's Avatar
      Sorry but I'm biased here. Both have been charged with crimes and await trial. Both have been arrested before. Both get a minimum 4 game suspension! I'm sorry but think what you will but big Ben got a raw deal. No charge, no arrest, never been arrested before and it cost him 4 games. Both these multi offenders at LEAST get the same punishment. If not we all know for sure Ben got what he got because he was the 1st high profile white athlete in the NFL to have an " accusation" even as unfounded as it turned out to be . I know I'm starting a firestorm with this comment but its true. Vick, pacman, and ravens receiver who's name escapes me didn't get suspended until AFTER an indictment and then subsequent convictions or plea bargains. That's the plain truth. U disagree? If so that's plain un American. Innocent until proven guilty. I need say nothing else. Was he somewhere he should have avoided? Yes absolutely .. did he break the law? Absolutely not and that's a fact! He's not obligated to be a role model. He wasn't and isn't and might never be. That doesn't matter. You aren't contractually obligated to be a role model. He broke no laws and should have gotten zero suspension. Saying different violates the base tenet of what makes our country so great. Someone is not punished on the basis of suspected transgressions. They are punished on conviction of 12 of their peers declaration of their guilt. Without that I say no one gets suspended. It's how every business in America operates..
    1. ScottDCP's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by Cris Collinsworth View Post
      Think the Steelers regret letting Santonio Holmes go? They beat the Jets in the playoffs, but Holmes was one of the best clutch receivers in the league. The Steelers only got a 5th.
      I think we forget the headaches when we see the success in the new location. We forget the detrimental effect on the locker room and the fanbase.
    1. SpartaChris's Avatar
      @mikesteelnation-

      1) There's no CBA *right now*, which means there is no personal conduct policy either. The league may have it's hands tied with regards to enforcing retroactive discipline.

      2) You don't have to be convicted of a crime to be in violation of the personal conduct policy. Johnny Jolly is an example of a guy who was suspended for all of last season, but wasn't convicted of anything. At the time, he was merely accused. Ben was found to be in violation of the personal conduct policy and got 4 games. Considering what he was accused of, he got lucky.
    1. BuckeyeRidley's Avatar
      I say guys like these need a wake-up call The best this for them may need to be a Good cut loose (Footloose) from their team. You never know when a move like being cut can save a life. Example: Jared Allen of the MIN.
    1. Turk Schonert's Avatar
      Quote Originally Posted by msclemons View Post
      Turk could diagram a new play "Cop Blunt Smash" for Britt to use when evidence needs to be hidden.
      I actually have a Cop route (Corner Post), a run called Blunt, and a pass concept called Smash (threw that one to Cris a few times). You might be on to something Clem, right now it would probably
      mean ... run away from the Cop after you Smash something. Good coaching can get that thought changed. Ha,ha
    1. DragonFly66's Avatar
      Sorry folks, making a mistake is misspelling a word, not adding up the bar tap correctly, putting on the wrong collored socks in the morning etc, etc, not intentionally injuring someone or gladly entering into a gun fight with family members. Theres a new type of baller in the NFL, he's got some money and he doesnt give a rats azz about anyone else. Theres a lot more then just the two mentioned in this article. The only way to deal with this lawlessness is to suspend players for one football yr, two years if the player commits the crime a second time and expelled for life from the NFL if he commits a third crime. NFL teams are drafting criminals to play football, then commit crimes in the city that drafted them. Bet theres nothing in the new CBA about criminal behavior