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    Remember the NCAA Minimum for D1 schools is SAT 820.

    That is a 1th percentile score. i.e. if you have a 820 and you are in a room of 100 people that have all taken the test, you have the lowest score in the room.

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    The median SAT for the UNC 2012 admitted class is 1950 or 91st percentile.


    The 25th score (i.e. the score that 75% of the class is above) is 1800 which is 81st percentile nationwide of SAT takers.

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    As I understand it, Willingham informed her bosses of her work every step of the way. It wasn't until she was finished that they woke up and realized they had a PR nightmare. Everything the school does from that point on is motivated not by academic excellence, which seems to be in short supply at UNC, but by self-interest and protecting their sports programs.

    The irony is that UNC-Chapel Hill has always portrayed itself as doing things the right way. The chronic ugliness of the football program, Willingham's study, and the farce of the African-American studies program altogether show that the school is as academically corrupt as the worst cliche about college sports.

    This isn't about Mary Willingham's methodology. To believe that it is, is to swallow UNC's PR lure and bite down on their hook. This is about UNC's phony academics.

    The real areas of interest are threefold. One, how many other schools do exactly what UNC is doing? (I would guess a great many.) Two, why is the NCAA so disinterested? And three, Darvon's issue of the schools 'fessing up and going public with reduced academic expectations for scholarship athletes.
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    The academic hanky panky is one thing, but how much should you discount SATs (or ACTs) for athletes is a much easier number to grasp, else you get caught up in how different test figure out "8th grade reading" proficiency. Just use SATs and ACT, for which you have entering class data and are universally understood. And ALL schools give an athletic discount. But the admission process is hidden and non-quantitative. But the results arent. Normal admissions give discounts for this and that, which we don't have any clue about.

    What would be a reasonable discount for athletes minimum SAT when compared to total entering class? 15 percentiles (National) under the median entering class? 20? 30?

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    Kessler filed an anti-trust suit against the NCAA. We all remember Jeffry, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by darvon View Post
    Kessler filed an anti-trust suit against the NCAA. We all remember Jeffry, right?
    Thanks, I'd missed that one. He's a heavy hitter. So now we have Kessler (and a similar lawsuit), O'Bannon and Northwestern's players all lining up to destroy the NCAA's outdated concept of indentured servitude.
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    In deference to MLB's opening day, here's the lineup against NCAA

    PA Announcer Voice:
    "Welcome this afternoon ladies and gentlemen to College Sports Stadium.

    And now, let us introduce the Visiting Team

    Batting leadoff, playing Anti-trust and hitting free agency...
    from Harvard Law School...number 59..Jeffrey Kessler.....Kessler.

    Batting second, also playing Anti-trust and hitting scholarship limits...
    from West Virginia University...number 20....Shawne Alston...Alston.

    Batting third, playing the National Labor Relations Act and hitting negotiated medical benefits...
    from Northwestern University..number 2...Kain Colter....Colter.

    And batting cleanup, playing Class Action and hitting Marketing Rights...
    from UCLA...the Captain...number 31....Ed O'Bannon.....O'Bannon.


    Ladies and Gentlemen, please give a warm Indianapolis welcome to the visitors, Team Student-Athlete.


    Today's officiating team is from the US Court of Appeals - Seventh Circuit in Chicago.


    And now, please rise and face the TV cameras for the singing of our National Anthem.

    Singing the Anthem today is the star of stage, screen,
    and new co-host of CBS Thursday Nite Football...please sing along with Brooklyn Decker..."
    Last edited by darvon; 03-31-2014 at 07:48 AM.

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    On Sunday, Emmert warned that unionization “would blow up everything about the collegiate model of athletics.”

    “The notion of using a union-employee model to address the challenges that do exist in intercollegiate athletics is something that strikes most people as a grossly inappropriate solution to the problems,” Emmert said.

    But he offered no concrete proposal for tackling the grievances that have led to this point.
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    Oy. Some people make bad spokesmen for their causes.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/college-foo...thletes-042114

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobbes27 View Post
    Oy. Some people make bad spokesmen for their causes.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/college-foo...thletes-042114
    Emmert is a phony's phony. He's a slick operator who doesn't do well in the public eye. He's obviously extremely intelligent. Why is he allowing himself to be trapped defending an indefensible system, instead of being a leader with innovative solutions? If his goal is to protect his employer, the NCAA, he'd be better served by getting them involved in a solution instead of being cast aside by it, which is what may be what ends up happening.
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