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    Needs this offseason: Tackle

    As far as I can tell ignoring the guys that may return in free agency I see our needs as: 2nd WR, LT, C, RG, RT, K, LDT, RDE, SLB, MLB, S, CB, CB, Backup QB, RB Depth. These are at all kinds of different levels. Some can be filled in house, some will be filled with re-signed free agents, some will have to come from the draft or free agency.

    • Andrew Whitworth (UFA) 6-7 330, 35. 164 career starts.
    o Whitworth is solid still at 35. This team probably goes nowhere without a strong left tackle because of how poorly Dalton has been historically when he has faced pressure. He is a must re-sign.

    • Cedric Ogbuehi 6-5 310, 24. 12 career starts
    o Ced was very poor in his second year with the Bengals. He was especially bad at RT and was quoted as saying he is not a RT. Whit will hopefully play LT next year and with Ogbuehi backing him up and then Ced will be heading into his year 4 year in 2018. I don’t see a way that we pick up his 5th year option. He is not an option at RT. PFF says that he was “at fault for nine sacks and 40 total QB pressures in 11 games.”

    • Eric Winston 6-7 310, 33 125 career starts
    o Winston started 2 games last year for the Bengals and has been an ok backup for the team.

    • Jake Fisher 6-6 305, 23. 4 career starts
    o Fisher started at RT for 3 games this year. Was better than Ogbuehi but not good enough to say the spot is solidified

    • Andre Smith 6-4 325, 29. 77 career starts
    o We love getting back our ex free agents. While Andre didn’t fare well last year it wouldn’t be out of the question to see him back in stripes. A triceps injury led him to start just 4 games for the Vikings.

    • Sebastian Vollmer 6-8 320 32. 80 career starts
    o Vollmer probably won’t be back in NE after a shoulder injury put him out for the year and they signed his replacement long term

    • Byron Bell 6-5 340, 27 72 career starts
    o Bell injured his ankle, was out all of last year and was replaced by rookie Jack Conklin. Likely to be available

    • Menelik Watson 6-5 315, 28 17 career starts
    o Former second rounder regained a starting position at RT by the end of the year.

    • Gosder Cherilus 6-7 316, 32 116 career starts
    o Relegated to a backup role last year with 3 starts. Likely to be available.

    • Jordan Mills 6-5 316, 26 50 career starts
    o Started 16 games at RT for the Bills last year a position they will look to upgrade

    • Marshall Newhouse 6-4 328, 28 56 career starts
    o Newhouse started 5 games for us in 2014 and was not impressive. Since he has started 20 games for the Giants

    • Ben Ijilana 6-4 322, 27 13 career starts
    o Started at both RT(6) and LT (7) for the Jets this year

    Projection: Whitworth is a must re-sign. The offense doesn’t go without him. Franchise him if you have to (I don’t really think we have to.) When I started this I assumed I would conclude that we should draft a tackle early and re-sign Winston. I still think that is a smart option given Whit’s age and the unknowns in Ced and Fisher. However, after seeing the group that is available in Free Agency I think there is another option that might be better. Sign one of a handful of guys, Vollmer, Bell, Watson, Smith or Cherilus and pencil them in at starting RT and/or let them compete with Fisher for the position. That gives us more stability at tackle if Fisher can’t make it. A tackle grouping of Whit, Ogbuehi, Fisher and FA (Vollmer-Bell-Smith-Watson and Cherilus. The position isn’t solved but it’s more stable with a vet, even an injured or aged one. I think that one of them will be available for an affordable deal. I’d probably prefer Vollmer or Bell.
    Last edited by Bengalbro; 01-13-2017 at 11:58 PM.

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    food for thought, and kind of implied above, but Andre Smith only signed a 1yr deal in Minnesota and is still just 29.



    Ignoring the likelihood that the Bengals won't do it and can't (given Whit and Zeitler's status), would you bring him back?

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    His first two contract negotiations with the Bengals were as protracted and bitter as any I can think of, and the primary reason there wasn't a 3rd contract is because he agreed to take less on a 1-year "prove it" deal he couldn't live up to. Hard to see either party being willing to put the divorce aside, especially after Smith couldn't win a job in Minnesota that was his for the taking.

    As for the Bengals, it's hard to muster up much excitement for the return of a player whose best attribute is not being as bad as Cedric Ogbuehi. Sadly, that's a big tent.

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    I really hope they go heavy OLine and DLine (a TRUE speed rusher) this draft. But they'll probably just put them on the bench behind lesser players for 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cincity View Post
    I really hope they go heavy OLine and DLine (a TRUE speed rusher) this draft. But they'll probably just put them on the bench behind lesser players for 3 years.
    You mean like they did with Bodine, Zeitler, Boyd, Hill, Shaw, Eifert, Gio, Sanu, and Jones?

    They really only did that with a couple of guys, and the 2 most notable were playing behind several good veteran players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason_NC View Post
    You mean like they did with Bodine, Zeitler, Boyd, Hill, Shaw, Eifert, Gio, Sanu, and Jones?

    They really only did that with a couple of guys, and the 2 most notable were playing behind several good veteran players.
    Good point. I still think they do a bad job of rotating guys in and getting them time.

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    Boyd, Bodine, Sanu, Jones, .. there were clear vacancies (Boyd they had just lost Sanu, and Jones... Jones and Sanu they had just lost Simpson and Caldwell and IDK who was the C before Bodine)

    Gio didn't start.

    Shaw was thrown in there after the DB was decimated with injuries to include the 1st round pick in Dennard

    Eifert, was sitting behind Gresham (case in point and he had injuries also)

    Gio was and still is a rotational guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
    food for thought, and kind of implied above, but Andre Smith only signed a 1yr deal in Minnesota and is still just 29.



    Ignoring the likelihood that the Bengals won't do it and can't (given Whit and Zeitler's status), would you bring him back?
    I wouldn't. While Fisher had issues, at least he seemed to improve, and he's in shape. Having an offeason, especially since he didn't need shoulder surgery, should help him since it seems like he's finally settled in a spot, and can really focus there. Smith was a wildcard almost every year, as far as being in shape and whether his head was into it. He did some good things, especially vs. the run but I'm pretty comfortable with Fisher.

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    Realistic best case scenario is being able to bring back both Whit and Zeitler in FA.

    Then adding an OT in 2nd or 3rd round to compete with Fisher at RT.

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    Weston, I see you've come over here, now. This is a good board. Good to have another idea starter over here.

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