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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
    like many other places, people are playing fast and loose with the term "character issues" in this thread.

    Unless you're someone like Luke Kuechly, everyone has a wart somewhere.

    PJ Dawson didn't have character issues. His question mark was effort in practice. That's not a character issue in the sense that the NFL defines it.


    Nor were there any significant character issues on Ogbuehi.
    Work effort is absolutely a character concern. Acting like it isn't is just foolish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tubbs1518 View Post
    Work effort is absolutely a character concern. Acting like it isn't is just foolish.

    It's not even remotely the same as actual character issues.

    1) Guys not going as hard in practice as in games isn't exactly rare

    2) It's been shown to be something that can readily be coached out of, see Dunlap and Burfict as examples

    3) Unlike work effort, actual character issues such as criminal and drug behavior have shown to be far less remedied. Just look at Pacman as an example of someone who, no matter how much they've changed, a turd tends to stay a turd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
    It's not even remotely the same as actual character issues.

    1) Guys not going as hard in practice as in games isn't exactly rare

    2) It's been shown to be something that can readily be coached out of, see Dunlap and Burfict as examples

    3) Unlike work effort, actual character issues such as criminal and drug behavior have shown to be far less remedied. Just look at Pacman as an example of someone who, no matter how much they've changed, a turd tends to stay a turd.
    It was stated as one of the big reasons Dawson dropped. It's one of the big reason Dunlap dropped. It is a huge concern that drops prospects. It is absolutely a character concern. Thinking it isn't is just false.

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    From NFL.com's Wesserling:

    While the offseason spotlight shines on Tony Romo and Jimmy Garoppolo, there's another intriguing trade target flying under the quarterback radar.

    AJ McCarron has made it clear that he wants a chance to play, and the Bengals are expected to test the trade market for Andy Dalton's understudy over the next month.

    NFL Network draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah recently polled five NFL personnel executives about this year's quarterback options. McCarron actually rated higher than Garoppolo.


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    "I wouldn't feel good about making a major commitment to any of these quarterbacks," one executive explained. "If I had to choose one, I would go after McCarron. Ideally, you get him for a late second- or early third-round pick. Then, if it doesn't work out, you draft a QB in 2018."

    Another executive said he would target McCarron over Garoppolo if his team couldn't land a proven quarterback.

    The obvious small sample-size caveats apply here. That said, the results still come as a surprise considering Garoppolo's substantial edge in draft pedigree (second round vs. fifth round) and limited game film.

    One point in McCarron's favor? Because he spent the majority of his rookie season on the non-football injury (NFI) list, he won't reach unrestricted free agency for two more years. Garoppolo's rookie contract, on the other hand, expires after next season.

    If the Patriots set an exorbitant price tag for Garoppolo, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported earlier this month, a franchise such as the Browns might explore McCarron as a fallback option. Cleveland coach Hue Jackson oversaw the former Alabama star's development in Cincinnati and called plays when McCarron stood in for an injured Dalton to close out the 2015 season.

    Over that five-game span, McCarron completed 63.5 percent of his passes for 1,044 yards (6.7 YPA) with a 7:3 TD-to-INT ratio and an 89.8 passer rating. NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks has noted that scouts were impressed with his poise in the pocket as well as his ability to make "big boy" throws between the numbers at intermediate range.

    It should be pointed out, though, that McCarron's effectiveness waned after showing initial promise. He failed to convert a single third down in the regular-season finale versus the Ravens and was shut out for three quarters in the rain as the Bengals lost a memorable playoff bout with the Steelers.


    Throughout last offseason, coach Marvin Lewis revealed in January, no team reached out to inquire as to McCarron's availability. Were the Bengals to engage in 2016 trade talks, they would have demanded a first-round draft pick in any compensation package, the Cincinnati Enquirer reported last week.

    Lewis was reluctant to deal McCarron at the time, he explained, "because he's exactly what we look for to be a replacement quarterback if we needed it."

    Although McCarron never got off the bench in 2016, director of player personnel Duke Tobin insisted late last month that Dalton's backup has become "an extremely valuable piece of our team."

    Is that stance in lock-step with McCarron's league-wide value? His draft pedigree, skill set and track record suggest he's a luxury-model backup quarterback likely to be exposed as a substandard starter if granted the opportunity.

    If the Bengals hold tight to their alleged first-round demands, McCarron will be trapped in Cincinnati for another year while Garoppolo and Romo take the reins in new offenses.

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    Lol Dunlap fell because he got a DUI right before the SEC championship, and Dawson fell, if you can really call it falling, because he ran a 4.9 in the 40. Make no mistake, if Dawson runs say a 4.6 he goes much higher regardless of what people think about his work ethic.

    and let's not pretend that both werent still relatively high draft picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
    Lol Dunlap fell because he got a DUI right before the SEC championship, and Dawson fell, if you can really call it falling, because he ran a 4.9 in the 40. Make no mistake, if Dawson runs say a 4.6 he goes much higher regardless of what people think about his work ethic.

    and let's not pretend that both werent still relatively high draft picks.
    Dunlap getting the DUI didn't help, but coming into his last year at Florida, he was rated at, or near the top of draft-eligible prospects. He also slid because folks questioned his effort at times.

    As you stated, Dawson had similar issues about not putting forth the preparation during the week, missing meetings, etc.. His coach, Gary Patterson, didn't exactly give him a ringing endorsement from a dependability standpoint. No question he showed up on game day, but between that and his less than stellar athletic workouts (even his Pro Day, while better, left some underwhelmed), he slid.

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    Bengals should sign Pierre-Paul

    While Cincinnati had a solid pass rush last season, the addition of Jason Pierre-Paul would likely make their defensive front enormously effective.

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    I'd 100% be for signing JPP. It'll never happen but I'd be for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tubbs1518 View Post
    I'd 100% be for signing JPP. It'll never happen but I'd be for it.

    You're right... never happen.

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    Katherine TerrellVerified account@Kat_Terrell 8m8 minutes agoMore



    Bengals CB Bene Benwikere has a one-year deal with a league minimum base salary of $690,000, per NFLPA records.

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