To bad our center is complete crap.
That's where I am as well. We need a Chris Henry/Darnay Scott, complimentary talent. Using the 9 pick on a tertiary player just seems like overkill.
Originally Posted by JBandJoeyV
Agree that 3rd/4th round is the sweet spot for WR.
Originally Posted by mongo
The one scenario where I could see WR (or Fournette) making sense at #9 is if the Bengals sign a starting MLB in free agency and feel like they can address DE and OL in the 2nd/3rd rounds.
So for example if they signed Kevin Minter, drafted DE Carl Lawson in the 2nd and OG/OT Taylor Moton in the 3rd. I can see how that would really open things up in round 1 for pure BPA, which could be an offensive skill position guy.
Also worth noting that AJ turns 29 this summer. He'll be fine the next few years, but it's not like a highly drafted WR would remain a supporting player forever. We're going to need a new #1 before a rookie's 5-year deal is up.
Bengals sign TJ Johnson to a 2-year deal.
Athletically, Carl Lawson will be an astronomical historical anomaly if he becomes a great player in the NFL.
Originally Posted by HOF
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Bengals OL coach Paul Alexander on Johnson: “TJ has raised his level of play every year he’s been with us. He is smart, tough and reliable"
Here is a look at Winston’s contract, courtesy of Over The Cap:
Base Salary: $1,000,000
Cap Number: $695,000
Dead Money if Cut (at any time): $80,000
Cap Savings if Cut (at any time): $615,000
As league invests in guards, Bengals aren't buying
Paul Dehner Jr. , firstname.lastname@example.org:52 p.m. ET March 31, 2017
PHOENIX – As long as there has been free agency, there have been Bengals fans airing frustration about losing quality offensive guards.
From Max Montoya to Eric Steinbach and now Kevin Zeitler, the Bengals allowed each to leave with years left to play in the league.
The latest involving 2012 first-round pick Zeitler caught particular attention during a free agency period where left tackle Andrew Whitworth also bolted.
A common theme heard in Zeitler resetting the guard position with his five-year, $60 million deal was the Bengals don’t value the position.
In so many words, Marvin Lewis backed up the hypothesis.
“Every team goes through and sets up the way they want to go through and utilize their cap expenditures,” Lewis said at the owners' meeting in Arizona this week. “Make sure you have a quarterback and receivers and tackles and then from there you are going to fill guys in and around.”
The Bengals rank 16th in the NFL in cap money allocated to the guard position, according to NFL contract website Spotrac.com. Had they given Zeitler the contract he signed with the Browns instead of inking Andre Smith, they would rank sixth in total cap money allocated to the position.
Such a jump required by demands made by Zeitler and met by the Browns are why his return was never going to happen in Cincinnati.
“If the player says I want to be the highest-paid guard in the NFL, that’s not going to work for us,” Lewis said. “Didn’t work. Didn’t fit."
Cincinnati Bengals guard Kevin Zeitler (68) runs on the field during the 2015 season. (Photo: Mark Zerof, Mark Zerof-USA TODAY Sports)
Lewis points at specific situations around the league at why the numbers do fit for some.
“You look at teams who have overvalued guards, they are paying quarterbacks at the minimum,” Lewis said. “There’s a difference. We aren’t paying a quarterback anymore at the minimum.”
The top four teams in terms of 2017 cap money spent on the guard position are Cleveland ($29M), Chicago ($18M), Oakland ($18M) and the New York Jets ($18M). Lewis speaks the truth, each one of those teams rank in the bottom half of the league in dollars allocated to the quarterback position.
Of note, the comparative bargain deal the Bengals have for Andy Dalton and cheap backup contracts land them 19th in allocated cap dollars to quarterback in 2017.
Still, there's no denying teams are investing. No position saw a greater impact the last two years in terms of top players earning higher average salary. Typically paid along the same lines of the right tackle, the guards have quickly jumped into the prestigious stratosphere of the top left tackles, with Zeitler leading the way.
League trends can be found by following the money. More money to guards illustrates the league changing its opinion on guards with a continued rise of quick-hitting, West Coast offense principles and disruptive tackles such as Aaron Donald, Ndamukong Suh and Geno Atkins capable of wrecking that game plan.
“I think your description is accurate,” said Lions coach Jim Caldwell, who signed former Packers guard T.J. Lang to an $8 million per year contract this offseason. “I’m not necessarily saying this is us, but league-wide, I’ve been around a few teams and look at things a lot differently depending on what you have at your skill positions. I do know every team has certain things dealing with their scheme, they put value on certain spots and positions and make acquisitions accordingly.”
New Orleans coach Sean Payton inked guard Larry Warford on a four-year, $34 million contract, pointing out now was the time for them to spend at the position because they found “the right guy.”
The Bengals had their “right guy.” They utilized the pulling expertise of Zeitler along with left guard Clint Boling as a hammer of the running game. They received five years of quality play from Zeitler, which works for them as long as his piece of the cap pie doesn’t grow beyond a thin slice. The concept of growing to one of the top three paid players on the club behind Andy Dalton and A.J. Green changes the discussion.
For many reasons, the league is turning the corner on paying guards big money, but this offseason proved the Bengals still aren’t buying.
“Everybody wants to have good players at that position,” Lewis said. “But again (with the salary cap), will the player fit in? If the player said I want to play here and let’s get something worked out, that’s a difference. But when the player’s only mindset is I want to be the highest-paid guard in the NFL then, OK, we can’t have the highest paid player at every position on the football team.”
I just don't get the huge money for guards thing. Could someone explain it to me? By my reckoning, it's the easiest position on the line to play/fill. You never hear of a guy who isn't good enough at guard getting moved to center or tackle. You here of underperforming centers and tackles getting moved to guard, but never the other way around...
Now I wish the team would set a premium on center, but I'm okay with their decision not to pay big money to guards.
I would say three things have pushed the Guard salaries way higher in recent years:
Originally Posted by mongo
1. There has probably been a small increase in their value as the quick passing game has expanded. Teams get rid of the ball fast, which means it is tougher for DEs to get to the QB and has led to increased importance of interior pass rushers and thus a slight increase in the importance of stopping the inside rush.
2. The teams who have drafted poorly have a ton of money to spend in FA and there aren't many options to spend it on. The elite CBs, DEs, QBs, WRs, OTs, etc. get franchised and never get to free agency.
3. The OL are all lumped together so you can't really franchise an OG. So teams that have drafted well and don't have $100M to spend in FA will let very good OGs get to FA. You see guys like Osemele, Zeitler, etc. actually hit the free market where there's a bunch of money that bad teams need to spend just to get to minimum spending under the CBA.