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    John Ross

    No role for Bengals first-round pick John Ross vs. Colts after return from injury

    Oct 30, 2017

    • Katherine TerrellESPN Staff Writer



    CINCINNATI -- For those waiting to see what Cincinnati Bengals' first-round pick John Ross can do, it could be a while.

    Ross was a nonfactor in his first game back since his injury in Week 2 and played only six offensive snaps against the Colts. He has played a total of 11 snaps this season.

    “John got to dress [Sunday] because I chose to suit him up, and Cody [Core] couldn’t go," said Bengals coach Marvin Lewis. "He’ll continue to practice and get an opportunity as it goes. But he was not part of the plan going into the game.”

    Ross, who has been nursing a knee injury, finally got back on the field after practicing for the past two weeks. However, even though the Bengals were down two receivers due to Core's and Tyler Boyd's injuries, the Bengals still had five receivers active between A.J. Green, Brandon LaFell, Alex Erickson, Josh Malone and Ross.

    Malone, a fourth-round pick this season, was a healthy scratch for the first five games before making his debut last week due to injuries. He caught his first career touchdown on Sunday. Even though he has not played much, his availability in practice and ability to play special teams has clearly moved him ahead of Ross in the pecking order for now.

    Ross' plays so far:


    • An 8-yard gain on a jet sweep in his preseason debut vs. the Redskins.
    • Two incomplete passes from Andy Dalton vs. the Redskins.
    • A 6-yard pass from AJ McCarron vs. the Colts in Week 4 of the preseason.
    • A 25-yard gain on a jet sweep vs. the Colts, which resulted in a knee injury.
    • A 12-yard gain on a jet sweep vs. the Texans that resulted in a fumble. Ross saw only a few plays after the fumble and re-injured his knee that week.
    • An incomplete pass from Dalton vs. the Colts in the regular season.

    Lewis had said prior to the game that Ross would not have a snap limit, but they wouldn't play him just for the sake of playing him.

    "We're not just getting him in to get him in, "Lewis said. "We would have to make sure we have a role and ... the most important thing is that he's physically and mentally. ... I think he's done a great job of trying to stay with us and stay in tune. Obviously he wants to play if he gets an opportunity."

    http://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati-...rn-from-injury





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    Dave Lapham: John Ross is “in the early stages of training camp”

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    What’s going on with the Bengals’ first-round pick? Dave Lapham thinks that the Bengals need to see more out of John Ross in practice before he can play.

    by Nick Manchester@TheManch93 Nov 2, 2017, 7:00am EDT





    Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY Sports


    When the Cincinnati Bengals used their ninth overall pick to take John Ross, the fastest man in NFL Combine history, everyone thought their offense would be explosive. So far, it has been anything but.

    Not only has the offense been sluggish, but the rookie wideout has been absent. After eight weeks, these are Ross’ stats in 2017; two games, 11 snaps, one target, no receptions, one rush, 12 rushing yards, one fumble.

    So, what the [bleep] is going on with John Ross?

    Isn’t that the question we are all asking? At least, that’s the question Lance McAlister askedformer Bengal and current analyst Dave Lapham.
    “I think they just need to see him practice more,” Lapham responded. “I think they feel like he’s in the early stages of training camp and everyone else is at midseason.”

    Ross entered training camp with a knee injury and missed a lot of practice time as a result. The team rescued him from contact drills for most of camp and kept him out of the preseason.

    When Ross finally saw some action in Week 2, everyone else had already been going for six weeks. Shortly after making his NFL debut, Ross landed back on the inactive list for another six weeks, missing even more practice time and snaps. Lapham thinks this has hurt Ross’ playing time.

    “There’s shape and then there’s football shape,” continues Lapham, “he just hasn’t been doing enough football to be in the same shape that, you know, everybody else is in that has played a lot of snaps into the mid-season.”

    Josh Malone has burst onto the scene in the last two weeks, which further complicates Ross’ comeback. In the Bengals’ Week 8 clash against the Colts, Malone had two catches for 35 yards and a touchdown.


    “Malone stepped up when he got his chance,” added Lapham. “Other guys have made plays.”

    Cody Core and Alex Erickson are other players who have had playing time at Ross’ expense. Core, a sixth round pick last year, has had no catches in 2017, but has been targeted four times. Erickson, who was signed as an undrafted free agent a year ago, has surprisingly been the team’s third most productive wide receiver this season, logging six catches for 96 yards.

    Not only is Erickson a surprising pass-catching prospect, but he has established himself as one of the best kick returners in the NFL over the last two years.

    Contributing on special teams is another area where other receivers have the edge over Ross.

    “If you’re the fifth receiver of those five guys, you better be doing a lot of special teams things, and he’s not.” Lapham said. “Core and Malone can be gunner, they can play all the special teams. So, in terms of total number of snaps to effect a game, they’re higher on the totem pole than he [Ross] is right now until he shows that he’s exactly where he needs to be physically and mentally to be included in a rotation of just wide receiver play.”

    Ross’ lack of involvement in special teams might continue to impede his progress. If he can get more playing time on special teams, he might eventually beat off Core and Malone. Lapham believes Ross needs to prove his value in all aspects of the game.

    “Until he shows that, [Core’s and Malone’s] special teams snaps are going to out do him.”

    https://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/11/...-training-camp







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    Unprintable things from me.

  4. #4
    Bust

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkansas Bengal View Post
    Bust

    Ross is compared to Odell Beckham skill set wise. Beckham missed the first 8 games of his career.

  6. #6
    Bigger issue here is the coaches. Until they are hurled into the sun, he's a bust.

  7. #7
    Marvin, he doesn't need any fvcking practice to run a go route or a comeback route. Put him in for 5-10 plays, let him run those 2 routes and give him something to build on.

    We've come so far from the days where we needed our 1st round pick to be a pro-bowl type player to have any hope for the season...for that I'm thankful. But I'm so tired of not expecting a single thing from our 1st rounder that it makes me long for the days where, at the very least, we know the kid was going to get a fair shot from day 1.

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkansas Bengal View Post
    Bust
    I prefer calling him....underwhelming. I think it implies he's busting, but things could still change. Maybe this week, right?

  9. #9
    How stupid do you have to be to suggest Cody Core, a WR with zero catches in a half season of work, deserves playing time ahead of two rookie receivers simply because of his ability to be a gunner on special teams? Why not give a more deserving player like Kevarie Russell the gunner role while opening up a bigger receiving role for Malone or Ross?

    Or put in Marvinspeak, what status does Cody Core have?

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by HOF View Post
    How stupid do you have to be to suggest Cody Core, a WR with zero catches in a half season of work, deserves playing time ahead of two rookie receivers simply because of his ability to be a gunner on special teams? Why not give a more deserving player like Kevarie Russell the gunner role while opening up a bigger receiving role for Malone or Ross?

    Or put in Marvinspeak, what status does Cody Core have?
    That's what has me so white hot with anger in my Marvin references over the last week.

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