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    If you're Duke Tobin, what's the first thing you do when your team hits rock bottom?

    Burrow!

    It begins. Duke Tobin spotted scouting QB matchup, Burrow versus Love. Burrow dominates.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
    Justin Herbert: Pass. IMO He's Marcus Mariota 2.0. Sure he can run, but while I want a mobile QB I don't necessarily want a running QB. Don't love his accuracy. A lot of his throws are to wide open WR's so he doesn't need to be pinpoint accurate, and his WR's often have to dive to catch low balls. In three games I only saw one elite caliber throw.
    I'm watching him against Cal. Best defense he's faced so far. He just threw late over the middle directly to the safety. Bad pick.

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by HOF View Post
    I'm watching him against Cal. Best defense he's faced so far. He just threw late over the middle directly to the safety. Bad pick.
    I watched bits of the game, not impressed.

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    1. Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama

    Kiper: We're in agreement that Tagovailoa is the clear No. 1 quarterback in this class, right?

    McShay: Absolutely. His deep-ball accuracy is a unique trait, and I love his natural instincts. And he is doing a better job of going through his progressions and full-field reads this season. His 96.1 Total QBR leads college football and he has a crazy 27:1 TD-INT ratio. He remains not only at the top of my QB rankings, but No. 1 overall on my board. What separates Tagovailoa from Justin Herbert for you, Mel?

    Kiper: Consistency is the biggest thing, but Tagovailoa is a more accurate passer at all levels of the field. The 6-foot-1, 215-pound signal-caller has elite accuracy -- he tore up the Aggies with pinpoint throws. Tagovailoa is also a better anticipatory thrower than Herbert, who needs some more polish.

    McShay: Tagovailoa is the favorite to go No. 1 overall, and the Dolphins are a good match. They likely will have that top pick -- ESPN's Football Power Index (FPI) gives them an 89% chance at No. 1 overall -- especially after Sunday's loss to Washington dropped them to 0-5.

    2. Justin Herbert, Oregon

    McShay: Where Herbert trumps Tagovailoa is in size and arm strength -- the 6-6, 237-pound Herbert has a unique combination of frame, velocity and mobility. He has all the tools to be a great player at the next level. And like Tagovailoa, he has a great mental makeup.

    Kiper: These two are on another tier at the top. And it's all about upside with Herbert. When you watch him make throws like this one, you see why he's in contention to be the No. 1 overall pick, and why he'll look great in workouts for teams and at the combine. He has improved as a senior, completing 69.1% of his passes and throwing just one interception.

    McShay: Yeah, the big question coming into this season was his decision-making. He has gotten better in that area, and I've seen more consistency in his mechanics. I want to see it the rest of the way -- Herbert and the Ducks have a big game coming up at Washington. OK, Mel, is the No. 3 quarterback where we finally disagree?

    3. Joe Burrow, LSU

    Kiper: I'm moving Burrow up after he torched the Gators. He's for real. He doesn't look like the same guy from last season. He already has 25 touchdown passes in six games, the third most in a full season in LSU history.

    McShay: I'm doing the same -- Burrow is the surprise of the year. He is playing with tremendous confidence in Year 2 as a starter, completing 79.6% of his passes and posting a 93.3 Total QBR. He lit up Texas in September and he was surgical against a Florida defense that has smothered other opponents. He was 4 of 5 on throws 15-plus yards downfield against the Gators and a perfect 11 of 11 for 147 yards and a touchdown from sets with four or more wide receivers, according to ESPN Stats & Information.

    Kiper: Burrow is playing as well as any quarterback in the country. He's an accurate thrower with an easy release. At 6-3 and 215 pounds, he can maneuver the pocket and throw on the run. And he's a leader -- the coaches rave about his toughness. The quarterback Burrow reminds me of most? It's Tony Romo, and not just because they both wear No. 9. Both have outstanding footwork and underrated arms.

    McShay: I think new LSU passing coordinator Joe Brady has helped bring out the best in him. Burrow is making quicker decisions and extending plays. He's a better athlete than people give him credit for -- just look at that tight-window second-quarter touchdown throw he made on Saturday night to Justin Jefferson while rolling right. Burrow has gone from Day 3 prospect to potential first-rounder in six games.

    Kiper: I agree, Todd. Burrow looks like a first-rounder. When we discussed his hot start in early September, I mentioned LSU's tough schedule, and those games against Auburn and at Alabama loom large. But if Burrow keeps playing like this, he's going to be on the stage for the Heisman Trophy presentation in December. And the Tigers might be in the College Football Playoff.

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    4. Jacob Eason, Washington

    McShay: Eason doesn't have a ton of recent game experience -- he started 13 games for Georgia in 2016, but he attempted only seven passes in 2017 before going down with an injury, then sat out 2018 after transferring -- but he has shown growth in seven starts this season. He has a huge 6-6, 227-pound frame, a live arm and good athleticism. And I've already seen improvement in his timing and anticipation from September to now.

    Kiper: Are we really agreeing again here? Eason is my fourth-ranked quarterback, with a caveat: He really could use another year in college. He could be a top-five pick in the 2021 draft. Now, we see quarterbacks get drafted in Round 1 on potential all the time. Eason absolutely could go in the top 32 picks in April. But he's the most raw out of this group, and I'd really like to see him get more live reps for the Huskies.

    McShay: Yeah, he certainly has the talent and can make some ridiculous throws, but the inexperience shows itself at times. Against a complex Stanford defense two weeks ago, he completed just 44.4% of his passes and averaged only 5.7 yards per attempt. Eason has a big opportunity to show he belongs in this discussion on Saturday against Herbert and the Ducks.

    Kiper: Eason has the "wow" factor. He's super impressive at times but also maddeningly underwhelming in other situations. He really needs to improve his ball placement and work on going through full-field progressions. But you can't teach his arm strength -- I put this throw in my most recent Big Board rankings, but it's worth watching that rocket again.

    5. Jake Fromm, Georgia

    Kiper: Fromm had a miserable Saturday. He hadn't thrown a pick all season until he faced the Gamecocks. This throw is just a really poor decision. But that was really his first bad game in his Georgia career, and it came in his 34th start. I think he's going to bounce back in a big way. Are we underrating him, Todd?

    McShay: It was probably the worst we've seen him play in his career -- only one of his career-high 51 attempts went for 20-plus yards -- but there is plenty of tape to show what he can do. He has outstanding timing, touch and overall accuracy on his throws, and he does a really good job protecting the football.

    Kiper: When we discussed Fromm's future last month, I mentioned that the Bulldogs lost their top four receivers and top tight end from last season. That really showed up Saturday. It's another reason I've compared Fromm to Andy Dalton, who has excelled for the Bengals when he has a good supporting cast around him. Fromm isn't going to "wow" you like Herbert or Eason, and he doesn't have an elite arm or size (6-2, 220). But like you said, Todd, he is an accurate thrower who anticipates and has touch.

    McShay: He places the ball as well as any quarterback in the draft class, and the speed at which he processes the play stands out for me. The arm strength and his just-average mobility limit him to an extent, but he is gifted at reading the defense and knowing when to take a shot downfield to give his receiver a chance on a 50-50 ball.

    Kiper: The last thing to mention here is that Fromm is a true junior. He could return to Georgia for another season and enter the 2021 draft. And we know the Bulldogs have a ton of young talent to compete for another College Football Playoff spot. Was Fromm your clear No. 5 quarterback, Todd?

    McShay: If Fromm is 5A, Utah State's Jordan Love is 5B. Yes, the same Love who has 44.0 Total QBR, six touchdown passes and eight interceptions -- and just imploded with three picks against LSU. But you have to look at the full picture, and he just doesn't have the weapons with the Aggies that other QBs in the class have at their disposal. Love, a fourth-year junior, is still learning to process as a pocket passer, but he has a 6-4, 225-pound frame, a good arm and the ability to extend plays with his feet. He will just need more time to adjust to the NFL game and develop.

  7. #17
    No Hurts?

  8. #18
    I watched a couple of videos of Burrow recently, including one where McShay claimed he was the only QB in the class who could unseat Tua as the top guy. Said he was going to insert Burrow into his big board with a ranking somewhere in the teens, but called him the type of prospect who starts rising and never stops.

    Also said you can burn his film from last year, calling him a player who had transferred and quickly learned the offense but never mastered it.

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by HOF View Post
    I watched a couple of videos of Burrow recently, including one where McShay claimed he was the only QB in the class who could unseat Tua as the top guy. Said he was going to insert Burrow into his big board with a ranking somewhere in the teens, but called him the type of prospect who starts rising and never stops.

    Also said you can burn his film from last year, calling him a player who had transferred and quickly learned the offense but never mastered it.

    Even as a buckeye fan who has followed Burrow, for some reason I always thought he was in the 6-1 or so range. ESPN has him at 6-4. I didn’t realize he was that tall. He is pretty mobile as well.

    Also it shouldn’t be the most important consideration by any means but being a southern Ohio kid will get some Ohio bengals fans and OSU bengals fans on board quickly. We’ve talked about needing a franchise qb to help turn around this fan base and if we could get that franchise qb being an Ohio kid could really help.

    I’m looking forward to see how he does against Bama before I’m fully on board though. Traditionally that has been the closest thing to playing an NFL D in college even if they aren’t quite as good as past years.

  10. #20
    PFF has is taking Burrow with the #1 overall. So hot right now.

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