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    Quote Originally Posted by whodeyjc View Post
    He looked good in maneuvering the pocket in PS. Hope it translates.
    He's gonna really need to be. Because he has a line that can't run or pass block, and he has a WR corp that can not get open consistently. So he will be needing to maneuvering a lot.

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    I'm curious where the bar is for everyone that they would "feel comfortable with Finley" in 2020?

    My understanding was that his ceiling was essentially Andy at his best...which never seemed to be quite good enough.

    If he wins or if the offense produces, which matters more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirrlnutz View Post
    I'm curious where the bar is for everyone that they would "feel comfortable with Finley" in 2020?

    My understanding was that his ceiling was essentially Andy at his best...which never seemed to be quite good enough.

    If he wins or if the offense produces, which matters more?

    im not sure you’re going to be able to properly evaluate him behind this line. Baltimore May blitz every play.

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    Iloka and Lafell among the former players speaking out against the move.

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    I think it will be blatantly obvious whether or not we want to stick with him or Dolegola. I think its possible it comes down to how good Chase Young is as well.

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    Finley is going to struggle... all young QBs do. I don't know what his ceiling is... he doesn't have elite tools like Aaron Rogers or Andrew Luck, but I'd like to see him move the team, develop some chemistry with some of the receivers, and improve each week. They have quite a bit of QB coaches on the team - Zac, Callahan, Pitcher, and Van Pelt and they've been around enough QBs (I think) to know if a guy has it or not. Finley was a guy they wanted and supposedly Zac really wanted Finley. He's been an accurate passer - both at NC State and in the PS - so hopefully we'll see some of that over the next several weeks.

    I'm open-minded... if he shows he's got something, and they think he can be the longer-term guy, great. If he flops a la Jeff Driskel last year, then they know that, too. I'm just glad that they are looking at another option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengals1181 View Post
    Iloka and Lafell among the former players speaking out against the move.
    I get former players and others being upset. The front office of this team miserably failed Andy. They let Jones, Sanu, Whitworth, and Zeitler walk and replaced them with massive duds. Made a bad hire with Zamp as OC and keep Alexander way past his time. The front office ran this offense into the ground with their terrible decisions and now Andy is paying the price for it.

    I am perfectly fine with Finley starting and interested to see what they have with him but this front office took an above average QB and broke him to the point he can’t make some basic throws anymore with their terrible decisions .

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    Quote Originally Posted by texbengal View Post
    Finley is going to struggle... all young QBs do. I don't know what his ceiling is... he doesn't have elite tools like Aaron Rogers or Andrew Luck, but I'd like to see him move the team, develop some chemistry with some of the receivers, and improve each week. They have quite a bit of QB coaches on the team - Zac, Callahan, Pitcher, and Van Pelt and they've been around enough QBs (I think) to know if a guy has it or not. Finley was a guy they wanted and supposedly Zac really wanted Finley. He's been an accurate passer - both at NC State and in the PS - so hopefully we'll see some of that over the next several weeks.

    I'm open-minded... if he shows he's got something, and they think he can be the longer-term guy, great. If he flops a la Jeff Driskel last year, then they know that, too. I'm just glad that they are looking at another option.
    Chad Pennington I think.

  9. My suspicion is he's getting a good long audition for the long term backup roll to whoever we draft next year.

    Barring a shocking turn around of the offense from this point forward, I can't imagine them finishing with a top 5 pick and not selecting a QB.

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    Don't call it a rebuild, but Bengals doing just that by sitting Andy Dalton


    7:38 PM ET

    • Ben BabyESPN Staff Writer



    CINCINNATI -- Andy Dalton had many different conversations with coach Zac Taylor this season.
    The phone calls in the middle of the night, the postgame chats in Taylor’s office, the normal conversations between quarterback and play-caller.


    But the one on Tuesday between Taylor and his veteran quarterback was different. And given the first eight weeks of the season, it was inevitable. Taylor informed Dalton he was going to be replaced as starting quarterback by rookie Ryan Finley.

    In case the 0-8 record didn’t say it, the switch to Finley was also an admission that this season hasn't gone according to plan. When Taylor arrived in Cincinnati in February after a two-year stint as an assistant for the Los Angeles Rams, he didn’t anticipate leading a rebuilding project.

    And even after Tuesday’s announcement, Taylor didn’t want to use that three-syllable word to describe the state of the franchise. Frankly, he didn’t need to. The decision to go with the rookie quarterback said enough.

    "Everything that I’ve seen from Ryan shows us that he’s capable," Taylor said of the fourth-round draft pick. "Again, you have to get into some games against some starting defenses to know what you have there, and that’s what we’ll find out."

    While Taylor insisted the primary focus for the Bengals is winning games in 2019, determining Finley’s NFL potential is important given the state of the franchise.




    Cincinnati is one of two winless teams in the NFL. ESPN’s current projections give the Bengals a 90.2 percent of having a top-five pick in the 2020 draft. Should Cincinnati continue to struggle and be awarded one of the top picks in April, it will be in a position to take one of the top available quarterbacks, such as LSU’s Joe Burrow.

    If Finley has a promising finish to the season, it’s unclear if the Bengals will use a first-round pick on a quarterback. Cincinnati hasn’t done that since it selected Carson Palmer with the top overall pick in 2003.

    In training camp, Finley quickly ascended to the No. 2 spot on the depth chart, replacing Jeff Driskel. The former Boise State and North Carolina State quarterback completed 73.4 percent of his passes for 414 yards, three touchdowns and one interception.

    "I just believe in him, because he's a very strong competitor," said Bengals receiver Tyler Boyd. "He had a real great preseason. All the guys seen it, and every guy in this locker room could admit to that. I feel like he could bring a different element to the table."


    In his short tenure, Taylor has shown a willingness to play rookies and shake up the depth chart. In the season opener at Seattle, undrafted wide receiver Damion Willis earned a start and fourth-round pick Michael Jordan started at left guard, although they eventually lost those spots. Taylor showed on Tuesday that philosophy extends to the quarterback position.

    "It just shows you that no one’s job is safe," defensive end Sam Hubbard said. "You’ve gotta perform."

    The Bengals are all but guaranteed their fourth straight losing season. If they can’t win two of their final eight games, this will be the worst year in franchise history.



    Finley will not be taking over an easy situation. According to NFL Next Gen Stats data, Dalton’s average time to throw of 2.41 seconds was the lowest of any quarterback with at least 100 attempts in any of the past three seasons. The need to get the ball out quickly has been out of necessity. The Bengals’ pass block win rate of 39 percent is the worst since it started being tracked in 2017 (ESPN metric powered by NFL Next Gen Stats).

    But if the move to Finley works out, it could change the outlook for a franchise that hasn’t won a playoff game since 1991. It could also give a scrutinized front office a quarterback to build around, which it hasn’t had since Dalton led the Bengals to the playoffs in each of his first five seasons.

    One could argue the rebuilding process started when Taylor was hired in February to replace Marvin Lewis, who coached the Bengals for the previous 16 seasons. It continued Tuesday as Taylor made a move in hopes of finding Cincinnati’s quarterback of the future.

    "I just felt like now is the time," Taylor said. "If you’re going to do it, let’s go ahead and make this switch and get behind Ryan and try to win these next couple of games."


    https://www.espn.com/blog/cincinnati...ng-andy-dalton




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