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    In his first 2 years Hester had 12 return TDs and 20 catches. In the last 2 years he has 108 catches and 0 return TDs. I know that return specialists usually have a short shelf life (Brian Mitchell aside), but that can't be a coincidence. He was devastating as a return man, he's average as a receiver.

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    I think it just shows the lack of talent at the receiver position. I would much rather have Hester solely returning kicks. When he does that he's the most exciting player in the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeland View Post
    In his first 2 years Hester had 12 return TDs and 20 catches. In the last 2 years he has 108 catches and 0 return TDs. I know that return specialists usually have a short shelf life (Brian Mitchell aside), but that can't be a coincidence. He was devastating as a return man, he's average as a receiver.
    Someone should deliver this statistic to Halas Hall.

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    Cris, I think they should have left him there. The media and fans needed a change, and they have excitement with Hester at WR, but the thing I don't understand is why we never went after that veterann receiver...still haven't...The Bears organization had numerous chances, and even though there's a price tag, it isn't that terrible on players like Torry Holt...or a few years ago before the change of Hester from KR to WR, Joey Galloway. As for the rest of the team, I like bringing Martz in...after Turner, and more namely John Schoop, the 3rd and 9 2 yard slant or WR screen makes me nauseus, literally, and we need to open the field up. Also with the moves in free agency, I think now that Forte has help in the backfield, it will improve the running game. Also, I know Greg Olsen isn't a Pro-Bowl TE, but they NEED to use him A LOT more often in my opinion. I think Lovie should worry about rushing the passers and not having our cornerbacks 13 yards behind the WR on 3rd and 5 and 2nd and 7, and let Martz have full reign of the offense.

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    A couple of things:

    The two best players on Da Bears weren't there last year, Urlacher and Peppers. That alone will change the dynamics of the whole team for the better. Also, Cutler, by logic, can't be worse than he was last year, right? Now they know what they have in Jay and Martz's job will be extracting his abilities while not exploiting his weaknesses.

    The Hester thing doesn't hold to much weight with me. When returning kicks, the defense was just on the field. The idea that he's too tired to return kicks doesn't make sense. If he can go back out there on offense and run routes, his return game shouldn't be affected. If you need a comparison, just look at Josh Cribbs. He might not have been in as many plays as Hester, but I'd be willing to bet that he was tackled about as much, if not more than Devin considering how many times Cribbs was used for end-arounds, wildcat runs, etc. His return game certainly wasn't lacking its normal bravado.

    Anyway, look for the Bears to stick in contention for most of the year and possibly be a deciding team on who wins from the North.

  6. The Bears would be better moving Hester back to kick returner. I thought Aromashadu was the Bears best WR simply because he fights for the ball. How many INTs last year happened because the DB wanted the ball more than Hester did?

    The Bears young WRs came a long way in '09, but I think they would benefit greatly from playing with a savvy veteran #1 WR who can teach them the position. I would have liked to see them do something like Denver did last year bringing in Jabbar Gaffney. A veteran who is past his prime but has a mountain of experience on winning teams to share with the young talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiteraryHack View Post
    A couple of things:

    The two best players on Da Bears weren't there last year, Urlacher and Peppers. That alone will change the dynamics of the whole team for the better. Also, Cutler, by logic, can't be worse than he was last year, right? Now they know what they have in Jay and Martz's job will be extracting his abilities while not exploiting his weaknesses.

    The Hester thing doesn't hold to much weight with me. When returning kicks, the defense was just on the field. The idea that he's too tired to return kicks doesn't make sense. If he can go back out there on offense and run routes, his return game shouldn't be affected. If you need a comparison, just look at Josh Cribbs. He might not have been in as many plays as Hester, but I'd be willing to bet that he was tackled about as much, if not more than Devin considering how many times Cribbs was used for end-arounds, wildcat runs, etc. His return game certainly wasn't lacking its normal bravado.

    Anyway, look for the Bears to stick in contention for most of the year and possibly be a deciding team on who wins from the North.

    First of all, sorry to say, and very very tough to say, but Urlacher isn't one of the top 3 Bears anymore...he's getting older, and it's hard to accept, but it's a fact. Same with Kreutz. I agree that Cutler can only be better, and if he wants to keep his job and possibly life, he will be haha.

    As for the Hester thing, there's a lot more that goes into it...studying tape of Defenses, practicing your WR routes and slot routes as opposed to strictly focusing on KR and PR duties...and it may not affect him that much, but that burst of speed has gone away a little bit. Cribbs will see a slow down this year in production gradually, unless lightning strikes twice. I think the Bears should use Hester in certain packages, sure, but I still stick by my opinion that they should have gone out and gotten a very affordable FA WR in the offseason either this year or last year. Hester, while he does his job adequately, and we in Chicago will always love him, isn't even a top 20 receiver in the league to me, so why not have him be a top 3 threat on special teams instead...it's almost counter productive to a degree.

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    Totally agree with you about Hester not being on the top level of receivers. Still, let's not forget that punt returners are so often cornerbacks and receivers. It shouldn't be any different with Hester as to his lost burst of speed. And kick returners are also often backup receivers/runningbacks. They have to study the offense just as much.

    To tell you the truth, he just hasn't broken any long, but his KR avg hasn't changed and his sample size in punt returns has been halved the last two years. I think that is more telling than anything.

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    It sucks too because Manning is solid back there as well, and it gives them less desperation and reason to force Hester back there permanently. And yeah, in college he was a CB, but he never was a receiver before, so the learning curve I'm sure was crazy, and now he has a whole new list of plays and sets to learn with Martz playbook, so hopefully that will bump his skill and stats up so it could shut me up! haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by nate2588 View Post
    But don't forget about Devin Aromashadu who really showed something in the second Vikings game.
    'Don't forget about Aromashadu' sums up the state of the Bears WR corps

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