Jim Schwartz and Dom Capers arrival help NFC North become the most dangerous division

**packa7x** · 11-25-2011, 11:56 AM

Since 2009 when Capers and Schwartz arrived, the NFCN has become the most dangerous division for opponents to play. Capers' defense has intercepted opposing QBs a league high 73 times from week 1 2009 to week 11 2011. Jim Schwartz's squad has amassed the second highest total of fumbles with 39 fumble recoveries in that time. That contributed to the astounding total of 319 turnovers in that span for the whole division. Here's a look at all the numbers. These totals are excluding the Thanksgiving games yesterday. There will be 3 numbers under each category, the first will correspond to 2009, the second to 2010 and the 3rd to 2011. Enjoy!

1. Green Bay
INT: 30 24 19
FUM: 11 9 3
TOTAL:96

2. Philadelphia
INT: 25 23 11
FUM: 14 11 6
TOTAL: 90

3. New England
INT: 18 25 15
FUM: 9 14 6
TOTAL: 87

4. New York G
INT: 13 16 14
FUM: 11 24 8
TOTAL: 86

5. Chicago
INT: 13 21 15
FUM: 14 14 7
TOTAL: 84

6t. Baltimore
INT: 22 19 12
FUM: 10 8 10
TOTAL: 81

6t. San Francisco
INT: 18 15 15
FUM: 16 7 10
TOTAL: 81

6t. Carolina
INT: 22 19 7
FUM: 15 12 6
TOTAL: 81

9. New York Jets
INT: 17 12 13
FUM: 12 19 7
TOTAL: 80

10. Detroit
INT: 9 14 15
FUM: 17 15 7
TOTAL: 77

11t. Buffalo
INT: 28 11 15
FUM: 4 11 5
TOTAL: 74

11t. Arizona
INT: 21 17 9
FUM: 8 12 7
TOTAL: 74

11t. Dallas
INT: 11 20 14
FUM: 10 12 7
TOTAL: 74

14. Atlanta
INT: 15 22 11
FUM: 13 8 4
TOTAL: 73

15. New Orleans
INT: 26 13 5
FUM: 10 14 4
TOTAL: 72

16. Kansas City
INT: 15 14 13
FUM: 16 10 3
TOTAL: 71

17. Tampa Bay
INT: 19 19 9
FUM: 8 8 6
TOTAL: 69

18. Tennessee
INT: 20 17 9
FUM: 9 8 4
TOTAL: 67

19t. Denver
INT: 17 10 7
FUM: 13 11 7
TOTAL: 65

19t. Houston
INT: 14 13 14
FUM: 13 5 6
TOTAL: 65

19t. Cincinnati
INT: 19 16 5
FUM: 6 10 9
TOTAL: 65

22. Pittsburgh
INT: 12 21 4
FUM: 11 14 2
TOTAL: 64

23. Seattle
INT: 13 12 10
FUM: 11 10 7
TOTAL: 63

24t. Minnesota
INT: 11 15 6
FUM: 15 10 5
TOTAL: 62

24t. Oakland
INT: 8 12 11
FUM: 11 14 6
TOTAL: 62

26. San Diego
INT: 14 16 10
FUM: 9 6 5
TOTAL: 60

27t. St. Louis
INT: 8 14 8
FUM: 12 11 5
TOTAL: 59

27t. Jacksonville
INT: 15 13 10
FUM: 12 5 4
TOTAL: 59

29. Cleveland
INT: 10 19 6
FUM: 9 9 5
TOTAL: 58

30. Washington
INT: 11 14 7
FUM: 7 12 6
TOTAL: 57

31. Indianapolis
INT: 16 10 5
FUM: 10 11 4
TOTAL: 56

32. Miami
INT: 15 11 6
FUM: 8 9 2
TOTAL: 51

By divisions:
NFCN: 319
NFCE: 307
NFCS: 295
AFCE: 292
NFCW:277
AFCN: 268
AFCW: 258
AFCS: 247

**mikesteelnation1** · 11-25-2011, 09:54 PM

Cool data, but its got no context. What were the teams records those years? The overall division records those years? How many turnovers did each division/ team commit those years. Is there a correlation between what division played another that draws parallels? I know I'm asking for a lot, but clearly since you like to argue, I need something to speculate to argue about, right now all I can say is Yup you're right the nfcn forces the most turnovers.

**packa7x** · 11-25-2011, 10:43 PM

Lol it was just something I was curious about from the post with Sander where we were talking the Packers d...I wanted to see how they stacked up vs the NFL. As far as the records, I'm pretty sure the turnovers alone have nothing to do with it. The Packers are 32-11 under Capers' d, but they also have a very low number of turnovers on offense. On the other hand, the Giants 40 turnovers last year couldn't help them make the playoffs.

I'm in my iPad so a lot of stuff you asked for is a little too much to do, but I'll give you a little bit more...

2009
NFCS: 128
NFCN: 120
AFCE: 110
AFCS: 109
NFCW: 107
AFCW: 103
NFCE: 100
AFCN: 99
TOTAL: 878

2010
NFCE: 132
NFCN: 122
AFCN: 116
NFCS: 115
AFCE: 112
NFCW: 98
AFCW: 93
AFCS: 82
TOTAL: 870

2011
NFCN: 77 on pace for 123
NFCE: 73 on pace for 117
NFCW: 71 on pace for 114
AFCE: 69 on pace for 110
AFCW: 62 on pace for 99
AFCS: 56 on pace for 90
AFCN: 53 on pace for 85
NFCS: 52 on pace for 83
TOTAL on pace for: 821

So despite not being the best in 2009 or 2010, the NFCN has kept their number relatively stable during the time span. The number comes out to nearly 2 turnovers a game PER team.

Some divisions have big changes
NFCE -32 from 2009 to 2010
NFCS -45 from 2009 to 2011
AFCS -27 from 2009 to 2010
NFCW -9 from 2009 to 2010

The NFCN and AFCE have had Static scores
AFCE 110, 112, 110
NFCN 120, 122, 123

Since Capers and Schwartz arrived, the NFCN is consistently a top division when it comes to turnovers.

**mikesteelnation1** · 11-26-2011, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by packa7x

Lol it was just something I was curious about from the post with Sander where we were talking the Packers d...I wanted to see how they stacked up vs the NFL. As far as the records, I'm pretty sure the turnovers alone have nothing to do with it. The Packers are 32-11 under Capers' d, but they also have a very low number of turnovers on offense. On the other hand, the Giants 40 turnovers last year couldn't help them make the playoffs.

I'm in my iPad so a lot of stuff you asked for is a little too much to do, but I'll give you a little bit more...

2009
NFCS: 128
NFCN: 120
AFCE: 110
AFCS: 109
NFCW: 107
AFCW: 103
NFCE: 100
AFCN: 99
TOTAL: 878

2010
NFCE: 132
NFCN: 122
AFCN: 116
NFCS: 115
AFCE: 112
NFCW: 98
AFCW: 93
AFCS: 82
TOTAL: 870

2011
NFCN: 77 on pace for 123
NFCE: 73 on pace for 117
NFCW: 71 on pace for 114
AFCE: 69 on pace for 110
AFCW: 62 on pace for 99
AFCS: 56 on pace for 90
AFCN: 53 on pace for 85
NFCS: 52 on pace for 83
TOTAL on pace for: 821

So despite not being the best in 2009 or 2010, the NFCN has kept their number relatively stable during the time span. The number comes out to nearly 2 turnovers a game PER team.

Some divisions have big changes
NFCE -32 from 2009 to 2010
NFCS -45 from 2009 to 2011
AFCS -27 from 2009 to 2010
NFCW -9 from 2009 to 2010

The NFCN and AFCE have had Static scores
AFCE 110, 112, 110
NFCN 120, 122, 123

Since Capers and Schwartz arrived, the NFCN is consistently a top division when it comes to turnovers.

Turnovers have a huge effect on win loss margin, as far as differential goes. Forcing them means nothing if you're giving it away at the same or a higher rate. It bears huge importance on this whole discussion. Why I want to see records and teams turnovers, not turnovers forced is it tells an important story. I want to see the nfcn win loss by team and division, with turnovers forced as compared to turnovers committed as compared to other teams and divisions. Did this division seemingly commit turnover fraud in this case by cannibalizing the stat by committing a lot of turnovers to division rivals?

**bluestree** · 11-26-2011, 02:22 PM

I don't know if Packa can get the stats to prove his point, but it's clearly the truth. Both Detroit and Green Bay have picked up their defensive intensity since Schwartz and Capers arrived. Along with Chicago (and Minnesota does have a top D Line to contend with) guys that have to play an NFCN team pack an extra jock, no doubt.

**packa7x** · 11-26-2011, 02:56 PM

Yeah without access to a PC and a couple solid unabated hours I can't get the stats desired. I doubt the NFCN cannibalizes itself any more than any other division. In that time span Rodgers has only thrown maybe 24 INTs...Favre had 7 in 2009. Cutler has had a relatively high number as well as stafford, but I don't know if it's a true cannibalization. Stafford's first game against GB ever was Thursday. Chicago has always been a force as far as turnovers, now GB and Detroit are getting in on it.