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    Jim Schwartz and Dom Capers arrival help NFC North become the most dangerous division

    Since 2009 when Capers and Schwartz arrived, the NFCN has become the most dangerous division for opponents to play. Capers' defense has intercepted opposing QBs a league high 73 times from week 1 2009 to week 11 2011. Jim Schwartz's squad has amassed the second highest total of fumbles with 39 fumble recoveries in that time. That contributed to the astounding total of 319 turnovers in that span for the whole division. Here's a look at all the numbers. These totals are excluding the Thanksgiving games yesterday. There will be 3 numbers under each category, the first will correspond to 2009, the second to 2010 and the 3rd to 2011. Enjoy!

    1. Green Bay
    INT: 30 24 19
    FUM: 11 9 3
    TOTAL:96

    2. Philadelphia
    INT: 25 23 11
    FUM: 14 11 6
    TOTAL: 90

    3. New England
    INT: 18 25 15
    FUM: 9 14 6
    TOTAL: 87

    4. New York G
    INT: 13 16 14
    FUM: 11 24 8
    TOTAL: 86

    5. Chicago
    INT: 13 21 15
    FUM: 14 14 7
    TOTAL: 84

    6t. Baltimore
    INT: 22 19 12
    FUM: 10 8 10
    TOTAL: 81

    6t. San Francisco
    INT: 18 15 15
    FUM: 16 7 10
    TOTAL: 81

    6t. Carolina
    INT: 22 19 7
    FUM: 15 12 6
    TOTAL: 81

    9. New York Jets
    INT: 17 12 13
    FUM: 12 19 7
    TOTAL: 80

    10. Detroit
    INT: 9 14 15
    FUM: 17 15 7
    TOTAL: 77

    11t. Buffalo
    INT: 28 11 15
    FUM: 4 11 5
    TOTAL: 74

    11t. Arizona
    INT: 21 17 9
    FUM: 8 12 7
    TOTAL: 74

    11t. Dallas
    INT: 11 20 14
    FUM: 10 12 7
    TOTAL: 74

    14. Atlanta
    INT: 15 22 11
    FUM: 13 8 4
    TOTAL: 73

    15. New Orleans
    INT: 26 13 5
    FUM: 10 14 4
    TOTAL: 72

    16. Kansas City
    INT: 15 14 13
    FUM: 16 10 3
    TOTAL: 71

    17. Tampa Bay
    INT: 19 19 9
    FUM: 8 8 6
    TOTAL: 69

    18. Tennessee
    INT: 20 17 9
    FUM: 9 8 4
    TOTAL: 67

    19t. Denver
    INT: 17 10 7
    FUM: 13 11 7
    TOTAL: 65

    19t. Houston
    INT: 14 13 14
    FUM: 13 5 6
    TOTAL: 65

    19t. Cincinnati
    INT: 19 16 5
    FUM: 6 10 9
    TOTAL: 65

    22. Pittsburgh
    INT: 12 21 4
    FUM: 11 14 2
    TOTAL: 64

    23. Seattle
    INT: 13 12 10
    FUM: 11 10 7
    TOTAL: 63

    24t. Minnesota
    INT: 11 15 6
    FUM: 15 10 5
    TOTAL: 62

    24t. Oakland
    INT: 8 12 11
    FUM: 11 14 6
    TOTAL: 62

    26. San Diego
    INT: 14 16 10
    FUM: 9 6 5
    TOTAL: 60

    27t. St. Louis
    INT: 8 14 8
    FUM: 12 11 5
    TOTAL: 59

    27t. Jacksonville
    INT: 15 13 10
    FUM: 12 5 4
    TOTAL: 59

    29. Cleveland
    INT: 10 19 6
    FUM: 9 9 5
    TOTAL: 58

    30. Washington
    INT: 11 14 7
    FUM: 7 12 6
    TOTAL: 57

    31. Indianapolis
    INT: 16 10 5
    FUM: 10 11 4
    TOTAL: 56

    32. Miami
    INT: 15 11 6
    FUM: 8 9 2
    TOTAL: 51

    By divisions:
    NFCN: 319
    NFCE: 307
    NFCS: 295
    AFCE: 292
    NFCW:277
    AFCN: 268
    AFCW: 258
    AFCS: 247
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    Cool data, but its got no context. What were the teams records those years? The overall division records those years? How many turnovers did each division/ team commit those years. Is there a correlation between what division played another that draws parallels? I know I'm asking for a lot, but clearly since you like to argue, I need something to speculate to argue about, right now all I can say is Yup you're right the nfcn forces the most turnovers.
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    Lol it was just something I was curious about from the post with Sander where we were talking the Packers d...I wanted to see how they stacked up vs the NFL. As far as the records, I'm pretty sure the turnovers alone have nothing to do with it. The Packers are 32-11 under Capers' d, but they also have a very low number of turnovers on offense. On the other hand, the Giants 40 turnovers last year couldn't help them make the playoffs.

    I'm in my iPad so a lot of stuff you asked for is a little too much to do, but I'll give you a little bit more...

    2009
    NFCS: 128
    NFCN: 120
    AFCE: 110
    AFCS: 109
    NFCW: 107
    AFCW: 103
    NFCE: 100
    AFCN: 99
    TOTAL: 878

    2010
    NFCE: 132
    NFCN: 122
    AFCN: 116
    NFCS: 115
    AFCE: 112
    NFCW: 98
    AFCW: 93
    AFCS: 82
    TOTAL: 870

    2011
    NFCN: 77 on pace for 123
    NFCE: 73 on pace for 117
    NFCW: 71 on pace for 114
    AFCE: 69 on pace for 110
    AFCW: 62 on pace for 99
    AFCS: 56 on pace for 90
    AFCN: 53 on pace for 85
    NFCS: 52 on pace for 83
    TOTAL on pace for: 821

    So despite not being the best in 2009 or 2010, the NFCN has kept their number relatively stable during the time span. The number comes out to nearly 2 turnovers a game PER team.

    Some divisions have big changes
    NFCE -32 from 2009 to 2010
    NFCS -45 from 2009 to 2011
    AFCS -27 from 2009 to 2010
    NFCW -9 from 2009 to 2010

    The NFCN and AFCE have had Static scores
    AFCE 110, 112, 110
    NFCN 120, 122, 123

    Since Capers and Schwartz arrived, the NFCN is consistently a top division when it comes to turnovers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packa7x View Post
    Lol it was just something I was curious about from the post with Sander where we were talking the Packers d...I wanted to see how they stacked up vs the NFL. As far as the records, I'm pretty sure the turnovers alone have nothing to do with it. The Packers are 32-11 under Capers' d, but they also have a very low number of turnovers on offense. On the other hand, the Giants 40 turnovers last year couldn't help them make the playoffs.

    I'm in my iPad so a lot of stuff you asked for is a little too much to do, but I'll give you a little bit more...

    2009
    NFCS: 128
    NFCN: 120
    AFCE: 110
    AFCS: 109
    NFCW: 107
    AFCW: 103
    NFCE: 100
    AFCN: 99
    TOTAL: 878

    2010
    NFCE: 132
    NFCN: 122
    AFCN: 116
    NFCS: 115
    AFCE: 112
    NFCW: 98
    AFCW: 93
    AFCS: 82
    TOTAL: 870

    2011
    NFCN: 77 on pace for 123
    NFCE: 73 on pace for 117
    NFCW: 71 on pace for 114
    AFCE: 69 on pace for 110
    AFCW: 62 on pace for 99
    AFCS: 56 on pace for 90
    AFCN: 53 on pace for 85
    NFCS: 52 on pace for 83
    TOTAL on pace for: 821

    So despite not being the best in 2009 or 2010, the NFCN has kept their number relatively stable during the time span. The number comes out to nearly 2 turnovers a game PER team.

    Some divisions have big changes
    NFCE -32 from 2009 to 2010
    NFCS -45 from 2009 to 2011
    AFCS -27 from 2009 to 2010
    NFCW -9 from 2009 to 2010

    The NFCN and AFCE have had Static scores
    AFCE 110, 112, 110
    NFCN 120, 122, 123

    Since Capers and Schwartz arrived, the NFCN is consistently a top division when it comes to turnovers.
    Turnovers have a huge effect on win loss margin, as far as differential goes. Forcing them means nothing if you're giving it away at the same or a higher rate. It bears huge importance on this whole discussion. Why I want to see records and teams turnovers, not turnovers forced is it tells an important story. I want to see the nfcn win loss by team and division, with turnovers forced as compared to turnovers committed as compared to other teams and divisions. Did this division seemingly commit turnover fraud in this case by cannibalizing the stat by committing a lot of turnovers to division rivals?
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    I don't know if Packa can get the stats to prove his point, but it's clearly the truth. Both Detroit and Green Bay have picked up their defensive intensity since Schwartz and Capers arrived. Along with Chicago (and Minnesota does have a top D Line to contend with) guys that have to play an NFCN team pack an extra jock, no doubt.

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    Yeah without access to a PC and a couple solid unabated hours I can't get the stats desired. I doubt the NFCN cannibalizes itself any more than any other division. In that time span Rodgers has only thrown maybe 24 INTs...Favre had 7 in 2009. Cutler has had a relatively high number as well as stafford, but I don't know if it's a true cannibalization. Stafford's first game against GB ever was Thursday. Chicago has always been a force as far as turnovers, now GB and Detroit are getting in on it.
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